Past lives

[Smilla]

This is sweet.



Artist: Dement Iris
Song: Let the Mystery Be
Album: Infamous Angel


Everybody's wonderin' what and where they all came from.
Everybody's worryin' 'bout where they're gonna go when the whole thing's done.
But no one knows for certain and so it's all the same to me.
I think I'll just let the mystery be.

Some say once you're gone you're gone forever, and some say you're gonna come back.
Some say you rest in the arms of the Saviour if in sinful ways you lack.
Some say that they're comin' back in a garden, bunch of carrots and little sweet peas.
I think I'll just let the mystery be.

Everybody's wonderin' what and where they all came from.
Everybody's worryin' 'bout where they're gonna go when the whole thing's done.
But no one knows for certain and so it's all the same to me.
I think I'll just let the mystery be.

Instrumental break.

Some say they're goin' to a place called Glory and I ain't saying it ain't a fact.
But I've heard that I'm on the road to purgatory and I don't like the sound of that.
Well, I believe in love and I live my life accordingly.
But I choose to let the mystery be.

Everybody's wonderin' what and where they all came from.
Everybody's worryin' 'bout where they're gonna go when the whole thing's done.
But no one knows for certain and so it's all the same to me.
I think I'll just let the mystery be.
I think I'll just let the mystery be.

[guanoloco]

Invoking past lives is not necessary to solve the problems we perceive here, now. That's why I find it unnecessary to get into them too much, except to speculate that they are fantasies, since I've never heard of any objective documentation of memories containing information that could be verified.

In other words, I believe that "past lives" is a misnomer.

The University of Virginia has the works of their psych department that goes back over 3000 cases and 30 years. It's been headed up by Dr. Ian Stevenson and Dr. Jim Tucker.

Supposedly they verify everything possible prior to stamping anything as authentic.

Just recently there's been shows on History, et al, that demonstrate their study.

1 instance was a young boy recalling the life of a WWII pilot and another was a young boy recalling a 1930s Hollywood character actor.

In the 2nd incident the kid had something like a 120 specifics with over 90 of these verified.

As far as "therapy" and past lives or Scn and past lives...well, has nothing to do with that.

[Hatshepsut]

My normal associative thinking has often included images and emotions that have to do with more than the life I am involved with. For instance, when I read about what happened to the Romanov family of Russia I associated it with another earlier similar experience automatically, not paying much attention to the fact that it was thousands of years before. Two earlier similars actually, one in dynastic Egypt and one 14,000 yrs ago. I just took such associations for granted all my life.

I have had memories going back 6,000 or more years when there were creatures that just don't exist any more. Especially the fish. I have remembered history that could not have possibly been because the text books say the timelines did not unfold that way. It is not really a big deal as we all either mock up or present things from our subconscious when reading a story or listening to the history channels etc. We substitute in what could be the happenstance to match the dialogue if not enough info is given. So who thinks about it much that these mental associations are coming in. They get filtered through our daily values and present day lives anyway and we rarely inspect why we link ideas to certain things.

There have been several times that I have met someone I have known before this life. And if it wasn't me then it was someone participating in this life with me. When a timetrack goes on an automatic roll because of some PTSness, it just boils off in sync sometimes. The stresses avalanche sometimes giving me a peek into the entire scenario of the times. It is usually my resistance to these experiences that make them stick. I will say this, as I have heard so many others say.." It is surprising how similar some earlier similars actually are!" It's like a script repeating itself over and over with the characters drawn into it each time. I have found individuals having the same behavior patterns, the same solutions, values, hobbies, admirations, abhorances, skin conditions, service facsimiles etc. Same same, in this life as when I knew them before, or as in the mental imagery that is weighing on them from before.

When a person is vehemently dramatizing you can see the incident they are stuck in. What it is that they are trying to prevent from ever happening to them again which seems an imminent threat right then. It doesn't have to be of this life. If it is in a heavy state or re-creation it is somewhat visible to the sensitive eye I think. Who hasn't seen a child going through his fav dramatization and queried where he got that from. Possibly he is pronouncing fates and life sentences on his playmates. Or maybe he is collecting knives or protecting little babies. If you look hard enough I think the 'purpose' is there visible. We just tune such things out.


A personal example:

I used to get disconbobulated over others skin anomalies. I mean things like shingles, pox, seborrhea, boils, cluster warts etc. Whenever I saw them on other people I would feel an anxious sense of helplessness. I was presented with irregularities of the skin... for care and treatment while a military medico on the galactic strip at a time when there was an upheaval due to a planet or comet going out of whack. Treatments at the time included backwoods magic as well as the sophisticated ... you name it. There was an increase in dust that was problematic. The most awful skin diseases were brought in for me to look at. It was like being inundated by survivors of the black plague. That one memory has weighed on me in this life as well as that of that planetary body going away from its normal orbit.

So, I'll toss that two cents in there Claire.

[Mystic]

Not applicable. I prefer future living.

[Pip]

In guanoloco's recent post he said "1 instance was a young boy recalling the life of a WWII pilot". I have read the book "Soul Survivors" and also written a few posts on their blog. They seem thoroughly nice people, very genuine. I found the account very convincing especially as his parents are Bible believing Christians.

The link to their website is www.soulsurvivor-book.com/review.html

Regards
Pip

[AngeloV]

It doesn't matter. What matters is today and what we do today that will affect tomorrow.

[Motti]

There was no option for, 'dunno'.

I was certain before the cult, during and now I don't know. It certainly is more possible than plucking harps on clouds. I'm certain that some of my 'incidents' were ripped out of books and films, but not sure if they all were.

There's hope in the idea that there's a next life time, I have a chance of doing all the things I have failed on in this life. But that doesn't make it true.

But as other people have said on this thread, it's this life that matters, not past lives or future ones. Though it's a good idea to leave the planet in good condition so your genes can live on even if we do just kick the bucket.

As I read in "Science of survival", what I understood from it was that it didn't really matter if the person's recollection of past life is a real one or made up, as long as they got rid of their unwanted condition. The object of the therapy was to rid the person of an unwanted condition, and 'past life' was only incidental to that.

In 'creative processes' the person has gains by rehabilitating his ability to mock up at will (instead of compulsively). So if you mock up something and feel better, or become able to unmock up something and feel better, the important thing is that you feel better, not the past life, whether real or imagined.

Using this attitude, the question 'is past life real or not' becomes irrelevant. Getting rid of an unwanted condition is the relevant thing.

[Veda]

Some background:

State of Case Scale, 1963

No track______No charge

Full visible time track______Some charge

Sporadic visibility of track______Some heavily charged areas

Invisible track (black or invisible field)______ Very heavily charged areas exist

Dub in______Some areas of track so heavily charged preclear is below unconsciousness in them; only inaccurate copies of track viewable

See 'Time Track Bulletin 2', 8 June 1963, for the rest of the scale.


From the 'History of Man' ["This is a cold blooded and factual account of your last 60 trillion years"] by L. Ron Hubbard, early 1952, originally titled 'What to Audit':

" ...may I make this simple request? Don't get spectacular until a few of the boys make it. You don't want to be lonesome and you'll need reinforcements if a war gets declared on thetans here. The preclear may think he can do it alone if he gets cleared of a body he'll need more help and company than he thinks. So, again, as a final note on this chapter, let's not go upsetting governments and putting on a show to 'prove' anything to homo sapiens for a while; it's a horrible temptation to knock off hats at fifty yards and read books a couple of countries away and get into the rotogravure section and the Hearst Weeklies but you'll just make it tough on somebody else who is trying to get across this bridge. Let sleeping sapiens snore in the bulk for yet awhile. Then meet some place and decide what to do about him and his two penny wars, his insane and his prisons. Tell people who want to invalidate all this, 'Your criticism is very just. It's only fantasy.' Cure up the lame and halt and the incompetent with whatever display of technique you need. Protect theta clearing until there are a few."

From old timer John Sanborn:

"In a Phoenix Congress... he talked about spooky whole track stuff. He had a floodlight on the floor in front of this little platform shining up, because that makes you look ghouly. And his face looked really weird and outer space and really crazy... and he talked weird... I think he was trying to drive people a little bit wacko so they'd fall into his hand a little bit."



Hubbard and Scientology have been selling superhuman abilities, including godlike "cause over MEST," knowing immortality/recall of all of one's past lives, since the early 1950s.


From the lecture "Auditing Comm Cycles" 06 Aug 1963:

"Now, I'll give you an idea - an idea of this. For instance, I know - I know where I was and who I was, and know with good certainty, who I was and where I was in the last eighty trillion years. See, I know that; that's not much of an argument with me. But the small details of that are liable to go fritter-fritter here and there. You know, what did I have for breakfast two trillion years ago? No. Nix, man. Nah. Did I even eat, you see? That sort of thing is getting pretty dim."


"Many persons experience unreality at the start of [ancient implants told to the person] GPM running. This leaves when you see the meter reads." From Clearing Course and OT2 materials


The "Dianetic Past Life Remedy" (1970s Dianetics) goes, "What attitudes would make one unwilling to go earlier than this life.

"You get the best reading item, check for interest and run the item R3R. You re-access, check for interest and R3R. Continue to reassess and add to the list until the list is exhausted.

"Repeat the steps listing (separately and in this order) for emotions, sensations and pains that 'would make one unwilling to go earlier than this life'.

"Somewhere along the line, the pc will go earlier than this life."

[alexm]

I had two past lives recalled in session, it was Dianetics auditing btw.

I'll spare the long details but essentially I discovered that I was a young Marine who landed in the first wave at the Battle of Guam on July 21st, 1944 and died on the beach short after landing.

Second, I was a Hungarian Jew (yellow star with a U in the middle), who in 1945 was liberated from a Concentration Camp by British forces.

Since I couldn't have had both lives be so close together, I had found a cluster. This was like 2 weeks to a month after I first joined.

The question might arise if I still believe that these event were real. For me, not a chance. If you think differently then that's fine but I'm skeptical.

[uniquemand]

As I read in "Science of survival", what I understood from it was that it didn't really matter if the person's recollection of past life is a real one or made up, as long as they got rid of their unwanted condition. The object of the therapy was to rid the person of an unwanted condition, and 'past life' was only incidental to that.

In 'creative processes' the person has gains by rehabilitating his ability to mock up at will (instead of compulsively). So if you mock up something and feel better, or become able to unmock up something and feel better, the important thing is that you feel better, not the past life, whether real or imagined.

Using this attitude, the question 'is past life real or not' becomes irrelevant. Getting rid of an unwanted condition is the relevant thing.

That's true, as far as it goes, and I agree. However, what if the unwanted condition doesn't spring from your mockups?

Then you're off into Admin Scale territory. If this is forgotten, you start thinking it's your BTs and Clusters that are fucking you up. NO. It is your inability to get up off your ass and DO something about whatever is generating the condition, or creating conditions in which what you are trying to accomplish can become possible.

This isn't about light sabers and the force, Luke. If you were looking to become a Jedi, you really got fucked. That was certainly the sales hype around OT.

The problem is not that scientologists think their past lives are real, it's that they don't seem to understand that their present life is real. They instead spend it in a closet auditing "BTs" while their relationships fall apart and the world they are a member of writes them off.