Past lives

[Leon]

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I have no problem at all with past lives. I can pretty coherently recall my past 40,000 years or so and large chunks prior to that. Not so much languages or what my name was and so on but where I was and what my life circumstances were, this sort of stuff is easy to recall.


I'd be interested in the following:

*whether this ability was gained through Dianetics Training or Dianetics Auditing or both?

*whether this ability was gained through Scientology Training or Scientology Auditing or both?

*what level of auditing did you attain, in Scientology or the FZ?

*on what level of auditing did you Whole Track become accessible?

Thanks for a response.

Both A and B

Somewhere up the "OT" Levels. Not quite sure. Did OT3 and some solo nots, also a lot of Pilot stuff and R3X and Excalibur and just me myself soloing into the yonder.

Track was accessible from the very beginning - R3R auditing back in 1970.

cheers.

[uniquemand]

I have no problem at all with past lives. I can pretty coherently recall my past 40,000 years or so and large chunks prior to that. Not so much languages or what my name was and so on but where I was and what my life circumstances were, this sort of stuff is easy to recall.

Before I left South Africa in 2001 I ran a session on myself and D/L'd each of the five past lives and deaths I'd had there and said goodbye to those bodies in their graves. gave a fine sense of completion to that peroiod of my life which started about in 1732 or thereabouts. (I had the exact date in session but am getting a bit neglectful of remembering that sort of trivia now.)

Interesting that in 40,000 years of life, you don't recall any specifics that can be verified, and have no useful knowledge from those lives for this life. Fascinating.

I'd be interested in the following:

*whether this ability was gained through Dianetics Training or Dianetics Auditing or both?

*whether this ability was gained through Scientology Training or Scientology Auditing or both?

*what level of auditing did you attain, in Scientology or the FZ?

*on what level of auditing did you Whole Track become accessible?

Thanks for a response.

Yes, at what level of auditing does a person gain full recall of their past lives? When this occurs, why is it ALWAYS completely useless information that cannot be verified.

When will you finally come to terms with the fact that you are mocking it all up in present time?

[Master of the Universe]

Interesting that in 40,000 years of life, you don't recall any specifics that can be verified, and have no useful knowledge from those lives for this life. Fascinating.



Yes, at what level of auditing does a person gain full recall of their past lives? When this occurs, why is it ALWAYS completely useless information that cannot be verified.

When will you finally come to terms with the fact that you are mocking it all up in present time?

Yep! like Clear cognition & OT 8 Cog.

Add this one: " Was there nothing wrong in the first place?"

[Motti]

Naturally, I'm a cynic. If past lives were real, wouldn't that technically mean we would carry the same soul/spirit/thetan over through each life? As such, population growth over time shows that this cannot be possible, unless souls either weren't being used before, or more are being "created".

I'm still open to the idea though.

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Also, how would recalling a past life memory be any different to a dream, and how can one tell if it is a dream or an actual past life? They're just as subjective. I mean I've had dreams set thousands of years in the future, how do I know that's just my subconscious having some fun or me predicting the future?

Only if you think that souls (thetans) reside on this planet only.

[Motti]

Naturally, I'm a cynic. If past lives were real, wouldn't that technically mean we would carry the same soul/spirit/thetan over through each life? As such, population growth over time shows that this cannot be possible, unless souls either weren't being used before, or more are being "created".

I'm still open to the idea though.

Only if you think that souls (thetans) reside on this planet only.

[Master of the Universe]

Only if you think that souls (thetans) reside on this planet only.

Or if they post themselves twice. Actually it's all just one big "spirit" with lots of body/minds in it.Have a look.

[uniquemand]

Only if you think that souls (thetans) reside on this planet only.

Souls have never been shown to exist.

Intentionality has: it exists in almost all animals, but is most sophisticated in primates and cetaceans.

Let me know when you find intentional activity anywhere else in the universe, and please document it thoroughly: many people will be interested.

[guanoloco]

Before I left South Africa in 2001 I ran a session on myself and D/L'd each of the five past lives and deaths I'd had there and said goodbye to those bodies in their graves. gave a fine sense of completion to that peroiod of my life which started about in 1732 or thereabouts. (I had the exact date in session but am getting a bit neglectful of remembering that sort of trivia now.)

Leon,

Where you able to verify anything objectively with these past lives? That's what I would want to see.

I understand that subjectively a person may experience benefit but when discussing past lives on this thread I would want to see objective evidence.

Personally, this is my beef with Scientology and, specifically, my past life recall. Like I said "I" was the same age in both WWars of the 20th century on little old Teegeeack, here. How's that? Also, no names or anything else to verify the validity of the life - although there were some things that I verified that were true that I "think" I never knew before - but how do I know I didn't read it somewhere, hear it somewhere, see it somewhere this life?

In order to explain this the theory has to be convoluted into running more than one body or stealing some other thetan's track or dub-in or cluster memories or...of course nobody said just plain old horseshit.

Then there's this to explain it all away from here:

At the end of this new process (New OT VIII), you will have recovered all of your own time track, supposedly. Two slightly different sets of the complete process have been posted to alt.religion.scientology, allegedly from people who have finished the level on the Freewinds. These procedures do indeed involved the 8th dynamic (god), as well as other steps, including material from A History of Man.

“This Solo-audited level addresses the primary cause of amnesia on the whole track and lets one see the truth of his own existence.

Implying that you will finally "know" what your track is over the bullshit when you hit OT VIII - how convenient...

also, I found this on the same site:

OT X, (Character). Rumors have suggested that this level produces whole track recall. – Jonathon Barbera.

I understand that that is conjecture - once again...quite the carrot - dontcha think?

[Terril park]

As I read in "Science of survival", what I understood from it was that it didn't really matter if the person's recollection of past life is a real one or made up, as long as they got rid of their unwanted condition. The object of the therapy was to rid the person of an unwanted condition, and 'past life' was only incidental to that.

In 'creative processes' the person has gains by rehabilitating his ability to mock up at will (instead of compulsively). So if you mock up something and feel better, or become able to unmock up something and feel better, the important thing is that you feel better, not the past life, whether real or imagined.

Using this attitude, the question 'is past life real or not' becomes irrelevant. Getting rid of an unwanted condition is the relevant thing.

I'm with you on that. In fact I think a lot of scn/dn processes,
whatever else they were doing are also functioning as creative processes. The OT 2 platens in particular seem to be like this.

In fact I toyed with some of them and mocked up additions. But
then I'm a squirrel. Its though hard for me to see how one wouldn't do this.

In fact the OT 2 item " Sunswing" I spent a few years painting.
Examples on my website linked to below.

Very recently I saw another scn friend's paintings. They were eerily VERY similar on exactly that point.

Much attention is directed towards OT 3, but OT 2 is really out there. Also I'm inclined after having seen 11+ years of success stories
people in general make better gains on this than OT 3. Was the case for me.

Why? Interested in any ideas on that.

[Leon]

Interesting that in 40,000 years of life, you don't recall any specifics that can be verified, and have no useful knowledge from those lives for this life. Fascinating.



Yes, at what level of auditing does a person gain full recall of their past lives? When this occurs, why is it ALWAYS completely useless information that cannot be verified.

When will you finally come to terms with the fact that you are mocking it all up in present time?

This is entirely your own bullshit dub-in. You have no knowledge whatever of the content or value of what I recalled/ran in sessions.