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    http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyn...rview-1983.htm
    Penthouse: You were sixteen years old at that time. What did you believe in?

    Hubbard: I believed in Satanism. There was no other religion in the house! Scientology and black magic. What a lot of people don't realize is that Scientology is black magic that is just spread out over a long time period. To perform black magic generally takes a few hours or, at most, a few weeks. But in Scientology it's stretched out over a lifetime, and so you don't see it. Black magic is the inner core of Scientology --and it is probably the only part of Scientology that really works. Also, you've got to realize that my father did not worship Satan. He thought he was Satan. He was one with Satan. He had a direct pipeline of communication and power with him. My father wouldn't have worshiped anything. I mean, when you think you're the most powerful being in the universe, you have no respect for anything, let alone worship.
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    And to make another accurate statement - that L. Ron Hubbard probably was the greatest suppressive in Scientology. Because there's another prime truth you ought to know, and that is that Dad never practised what he preached. Anyone who has had any personal contact, communication, living-with or personal involvement with L. Ron Hubbard can attest to that. Whether it be at home, the family, friends, staff, on the Apollo, those people can understand when I say that ninety-nine percent of whatever my father ever said or ever wrote about himself to the press, media, public and membership is totally false and untrue. It is just total fabrication. And you can also see that any self- respecting auditor who had audited Dad was in many instances very perplexed and could not figure out what the heck was going on. Because L. Ron Hubbard didn't get any case gains, at least in the normal sense of the word, because he had so many withholds. One of the major secret withholds (besides all the others of course) is his deep and very real involvement with the Magick tech. The one major thing he could not openly communicate, so he drove auditors nuts because in truth what the auditors were dealing with is the mock-up, not the person, not the real bank, not the individual. He was dealing with this great huge - as they say in Magick, the "construct". And one of the problems that friends, family and staff kept running into is that the L. Ron Hubbard they saw and talked to and worked with was not the Scientology L. Ron Hubbard,...

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    Looking wider, it's not a withhold Hubbard had from his auditor in session. It's his withhold from everyone who looked up to him, i.e. Scientologists.

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    One of the things that really drove Dad bananas and truly freaked him out was actual demonstration in his presence of Clear and OT ability. And he actually suppressed it for reasons I've already given you. Plus of course he thought and was afraid someone would somehow find the Magick doors. So therefore you will notice another trend over the last 34 years, and that is that the state of Clear and the state of OT has degenerated from a state of ability to a state of mind. That is, from a level of actually being able to do something down to a level of thinking you can do it. Which again is a hundred and eighty degrees out by design. And again for reasons already stated.

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    That's a pretty amazing revelation. I also think the news that he tooks drugs all the way to the end, despite all his pious crapping on about drugs, was an amazing revelation and probably one that most scns don't know about.

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    I think it's safe to say that Hubbard created Dianetics and Scientology primarily for money, but second, and nearly as important, to overcome his own impotence (likely caused by perpetual pinks and greys).

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    I quite liked these bits ....

    ...Competition is very, very healthy, and is the only really solid way to grow. And within Dianetics and Scientology that is expressed by getting results. It's the great leveler. It's the great growth hormone. Scientology is not L. Ron Hubbard's, it is yours. And you will grow and so will Scientology in direct ratio to your ability to get those results, to benefit your preclear and student, to making him more able and leading and living a better life, to being more successful, to making more money, to have a happier life. And again, this is based on workable, demonstrable results as the student or preclear sees it. ...
    ... Another way to say it is... is that the theta has been removed from the TRs, it's that simple. One of the goals could be (and should be I think) in Scientology in general is to get theta back into Scientology. ...

    ... One of the reasons for this tape is that I've seen too many people throw the baby out with the bath water, throw in the sponge, cave in and just plain flat give up. And that particular viewpoint is as bad as a slavish, blinded following of L. Ron Hubbard. So therefore, don't slam dunk yourself at either end of the dichotomy. Again, put theta back into Scientology and throw out another one of Dad's little control mechanisms (which he said at least a hundred times): "Don't think, do it!" Sorry, but that's reverse. Think, perceive, look, compute and when you do that I think you'll find that it is an honor to be declared. It's your badge of courage. It is your mark of returning to self-determination. ...
    And in fact, all in all, there is quite a bit of 'pro-tech' commentary in the transcripts.


    Mark A. Baker

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petey C View Post
    That's a pretty amazing revelation. I also think the news that he tooks drugs all the way to the end, despite all his pious crapping on about drugs, was an amazing revelation and probably one that most scns don't know about.
    It was one of the revelations I had. - That Hubbard took drugs.... and even died with one of them (Vistaril) in his blood.

    What he kept saying and guarding Scientologists against was quite contrary to his own experience (confirmed by many independent sources available in the Internet and here, on ESMB, from those who had 1st hand experience with him).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark A. Baker View Post
    I quite liked these bits ....





    And in fact, all in all, there is quite a bit of 'pro-tech' commentary in the transcripts.


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    I don't doubt that Nibs supported "the Tech". - He KNEW the Basics.

    The Basics were Black Magick.

    Yet, I'm glad you see there something "pro-tech".

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    Do you get results?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mark A. Baker View Post
    I quite liked these bits ....





    And in fact, all in all, there is quite a bit of 'pro-tech' commentary in the transcripts.


    Mark A. Baker
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark A. Baker View Post
    I quite liked these bits ....





    And in fact, all in all, there is quite a bit of 'pro-tech' commentary in the transcripts.


    Mark A. Baker
    All in all, there is quite a bit on how; to be a scientologist is to be Elron's zombie.

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