Ron THE Hypnotist

[Ogsonofgroo]

Spell-Ron describes his comprehension of Hypnotists Confusion trickery.

18acc-04 - 18 july 57

Now, I'll give you a graphic example of that. The juju of Africa was of great interest to me at one time. And I almost decided I would take it up one day to find out why the dickens these people were actually able to put curses on people with such ease. We have the answer to that.

Actually they walk up to you with a long horsetail switch – it's a horse's tail on a little handle –and they fill the horse's tail, see, full of fleas. And they walk up to you and they switch this all around your face, see?


And right in the middle of when they're doing it, they say, "Die!"

Confusion and the stable datum, nothing else.

And of course the guy will – this is done to, is – of course, seizes onto that single clear statement[planted idea] in the middle of all the confusion: he's got it!

It's the nicest little [implant]engram you ever observed. And there are dozens of them like this, all of which would [ not ] be easily understood by a Scientologist.

Sheesh what a frikken demented racist he was (among his higher qualities).

The ol' Windbag was never at a loss for story creation either to back up his other created stories, such a tangle of mental spaghetti it was (and still is).

Keep up the great posts there Jach, truly entertaining (in a train-wreck sortta way).
The essence has shone through ITT, of a manipulative bastard several feathers short of a pillow.

[VaD]

About Communication ("universal solvent" and at the same time cause of confusions).

It many be new for some that Communication is more than just "exchange of ideas and information through space".

Communications have variety of purposes and functions.

http://evolumedia.com/cgi-bin/wiki.c...fCommunication

One outline of the functions of Communication follows what might be thought of as a rhetorical approach and is as follows:

Information
Education
Persuasion
motivation
instruction
raising morale
advice
warning

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persuasion

Persuasion is a form of social influence. It is the process of guiding oneself or another toward the adoption of an idea, attitude, or action by rational and symbolic (though not always logical) means.

Following is just my view. If it sounds immature, so be it.

If someone tries to persuade you, and he's good at it, while you are susceptible to persuasion, he can get you to believe/accept/agree whatever he wishes.
- Even if at the beginning all you wanted was information, education and instruction.

That can leave you "Answer Hungry", where you'll want to "know more" (since you haven't got those answers you wanted answered).

If we take Dianetics, and see Hubbard's writing style, there is "we" everywhere but no reference to any scientist of mind (while the book is called "Modern SCIENCE ..."). There is a lot of hidden persuasion appealing to those who know little-to-nothing in the fields of mental health.
I dare say that his purpose of communication was NOT information, education and instruction.

So, it's kinda mismatch that leaves one befuddled. You wanted A (information, education and instruction in Science), he gave you B (Persuasion, and appealing, looking like scientific, "answers" giving rise to the hope to achieve described state of Clear, etc.).

But his communication achieved HIS purpose.

Personally,
What got me to drop further higher education and dive headlong into Scientology and S.O. were (amongst other things) unanswered questions that arose like the one at the end of Dianetics book, "Who is looking at that cat?"

[afaceinthecrowd]

I’m with you, Ogs…well said!

Gotta tell ya, Jachss…this thread and what you’re puttin’ up is real yeoman’s work and some very, very important stuff for folks to read, know about and ponder.

You’re really picking “It” apart in pieces that are bite sized, tasty and digestible.

This is a valuable and helpful thread…there’s not one Ex that wouldn’t find more than a few things you’ve put up here bring on some “Holy Shit!” moments, IMO.

Thanks a whole bunch, Pal.

Quoting the CommodeDoor Hisself, “Carry on, carry on.”

Face

[Jachs]

..snip..

ADDITION:

Now, that I came to think of it, it seems that all of/in Scientology as developed by Hubbard is rigged in a way to hold followers attention tight on itself, (Scientology and Hubbard), by all means possible - love bombing, controlling, ethics, justice, return programs, obligations to complete current service, routing forms onto the next one/anywhere, threat(s) of being declared, expelled, "losing eternity", coercions, persuasions, .... you name it.
- So one becomes (totally) fixated on ideas of Hubbard. Thus, fanatic.
And the deeper one is into The Scientological Onion ( or higher the Level of participants role-playing game as given here: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthrea...lti-level-game) the more one is fanatic (or hypnotized zombie/ronbot, if you like).


Here is something from Ron I just remembered (relevant to producing obedient fanatics:

HCO PL of 13 March 1965 "THE STRUCTURE OF ORGANIZATION. WHAT IS POLICY?":
"DIRECT A CHANNEL TOWARD ATTAINMENT, PUT SOMETHING ON IT, REMOVE DISTRACTION, BARRIERS, NONCOMPLIANCE AND OPPOSITION."


P.S. Wow! JUST WOW!!! - I just got an EP.
- Now, where is that goddamn Examiner? - LOL.

all well said VaD ...



Hubbard is rigged in a way to hold followers attention tight on itself

excellent choice of words ...hold..&... tight...

[renegade]

The best thing that helped me to break this tight hold on me was to read the book Combatting Cult Mind Control by Steven Hassan. In it he tells you how to break the spell and see thru the lies. Vital reading for anyone who still has residual trouble with the abuse suffered while in scn. It will kill any doubts that you may have about leaving scn. This book also has highlights on the same techniques covered by OP to slowly get you insidiously ensnared. It is also the techniques used by people who beat up their partners/spouse, by isolating, cutting you off from those who could help you, degrading you, etc.

[Jachs]

Following is just my view. If it sounds immature, so be it.

If someone tries to persuade you, and he's good at it, while you are susceptible to persuasion, he can get you to believe/accept/agree whatever he wishes.
- Even if at the beginning all you wanted was information, education and instruction.

That can leave you "Answer Hungry", where you'll want to "know more" (since you haven't got those answers you wanted answered).

If we take Dianetics, and see Hubbard's writing style, there is "we" everywhere but no reference to any scientist of mind (while the book is called "Modern SCIENCE ..."). There is a lot of hidden persuasion appealing to those who know little-to-nothing in the fields of mental health.
I dare say that his purpose of communication was NOT information, education and instruction.

So, it's kinda mismatch that leaves one befuddled. You wanted A (information, education and instruction in Science), he gave you B (Persuasion, and appealing, looking like scientific, "answers" giving rise to the hope to achieve described state of Clear, etc.).

But his communication achieved HIS purpose.

Personally,
What got me to drop further higher education and dive headlong into Scientology and S.O. were (amongst other things) unanswered questions that arose like the one at the end of Dianetics book, "Who is looking at that cat?"

You're on a roll bro.. Answer Hungry.. (very bad condition according to ElRon- wonder why he created the condition?)


I agree Answer Hungry is phenomena , he hints , he reassures..you hope and then quiz

what i find is ElRon gives something that a person can easily identify in themselves, then he uses awe promises, next step confuses, next sets boundaries by frowning at "them" "they", "this boy", or terrify, next he seals it off by joining us all in the same boat with "we", master chess player. at the end its like you say, you are left with a hunger.

The other thing that could be said is a setup condition of trying to "compute" think with only half the information.

[VaD]

The other thing that could be said is a setup condition of trying to "compute" think with only half the information.

I wouldn't say that it's even "half the information".

Nibs reported that Hubbard wrote Dianetics in 6 weeks.

I'd say that what's there are just his own interpretations and explanations of what information that he had read prior to writing.

Thus, all the information is twisted one thing or another (one of those sources/books he got his hands on).

My opinion.

[Jachs]

I’m with you, Ogs…well said!

Gotta tell ya, Jachss…this thread and what you’re puttin’ up is real yeoman’s work and some very, very important stuff for folks to read, know about and ponder.

You’re really picking “It” apart in pieces that are bite sized, tasty and digestible.

This is a valuable and helpful thread…there’s not one Ex that wouldn’t find more than a few things you’ve put up here bring on some “Holy Shit!” moments, IMO.

Thanks a whole bunch, Pal.

Quoting the CommodeDoor Hisself, “Carry on, carry on.”

Face

thanks Face..

If ElRon had more maybe wed have seen it earlier

The curses and spells are lifting..


ill "carry on carrying on"..

[Jachs]

Hypnotist Ron Hubbard explains what he knew in 1950 he re-discovered 1965.. incredible...into the unknown.sorry cant latch onto the unknown.. i mean 1950

In straight line memory we can make the patient remember the locks[moments] . He will first recall a generality about them. Then he can be made to discover (still in present time, not in reverie) a specific instance when this happens. When he connects he generally laughs a trifle with relief.

DMSMH

These people may be talking about somebody else but every "I" or "he" or "you" uttered is engramic [implant] and will be applied to others and himself by the patient in the most literal sense.

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If all goes on schedule the patient will very often let out a chuckle or a laugh of relief. The phrase has been sprung.

The bosun on a ship finds out one of his sailors cringes every time he hears the phrase, "fancy-pants" and so uses the word to intimidate the man. This is push-button warfare ...

If the patient is [in reduced]-consciousness and somebody says "he is a { wog, DB, criminal,select label ]," actually meaning another person entirely, the ....person takes the phrase to have been meant for oneself.

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The phrases contained in this engram[implant], because they were on a trance level and because they could be held in place by his fever and pain[reduced consciousness], produced a very profound effect on him or her. He had to believe whatever was said.



2 September 1955
“ANYTHING—EVERYTHING—NOTHING”

I want to call your attention to something you might watch with some interest. It is the systematized generality with which a certain type of preclear answers questions. He categorizes. You ask him about a cat and he gives you ALL cats. Many people will answer in that way, and they very often answer with system.
There is nothing mysterious about this, but it denotes the existence of groupers, good old Book One groupers. When a preclear answers in this fashion, his track is very grouped, whether he knows it or not.

"arc breaks"


Great News!
I’ve found the basis of ARC Breaks!

One Auditor was sure a Pc had been ARC Broken by “the last few inches of a lecture tape” and was madly calling Washington to borrow the tape so the poor Pc could “listen to it again to cure his ARC Break” ! Well I don’t mind being cause, but my tape never ARC Broke the Pc. <snip>


The Not There is also a generality because it can be anywhere.

When something becomes unlocatable it can cause an ARC Break.
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A very sneaky question is “Who (or what) was everything to you?”

But use it sparingly. The Pc will go whole track like a flash if overworked.


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And now ALL is revealed: This IS what makes an ARC Break occur:

AN ARC BREAK OCCURS ON A GENERALITY OR A NOT THERE [drum bash]
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[waiver] .. it doesn’t always occur. Only sometimes. And when it does: Find the singular form of the generality. [droop]

In Admin particularly you save more executives that way. And in auditing you
just don’t have failed cases or blows if you know it.

Followed by this lecture

mentioned at the bottom of the H-SOB
30 March 1965
** 6503C30 SHSBC-56

ARC Breaks and Generalities


And this is quite remarkable. But that's only because we have studied the unit man. You get what we've [Ive]done?

And actually when I say –
when I say "men" I mean a thetan plus a body in this universe, you see?

> And "its, its characteristics are ..." Don't you see. [bluff-em]

>And to the degree that this is dead-on and so forth,

this person with certain characteristics which are just those characteristics, sit down across from you in the pc's chair and you utter certain auditing commands to that [back on track-bluffed em]person and that person promptly responds and improves because this is because we know "a person." Do you follow that? [ ]

Now, the closer we get, the closer we get [stretch confuse]

to know that person – {1st]
he isn't the average person – [2nd]
he couldn't be anything else but that person, [3rd]
because a thetan is that thing and a body is that thing.[con/vince/ fuse]

So to this degree we could generalize.

But look how wrong you could get in generalizing on the character of man

<snip>

An ARC break is a generality that should be a particularity

Good thing Spell Ron doesnt use confusing identity jumps into other identities or generalize nothings and/or all's , everythings or string out long lines of commas. otherwise he would be confusing and implanting thoughts..

[Jachs]

Despite L.Ron denying he used Hypnosis in his research...


L.Ron Hubbard DEEP TRANCE THERAPY

1950, 19 June

"The actual therapeutic value one can get in working painful emotion in deep trance is pretty good. It must be followed up, however, by releasing it again in light reverie, and then again in reverie. You now know the content of it. Don’t try to feed it back to him, because this makes it appear that you know more than he does about it, and he will start feeling that you are cheating
him by not telling him. Simply insist that he go back onto some repeater phrase and run that, and very soon he will be giving you the engram again. One gets it in deep and then gets it in light.

It is actually true that a whole case can be worked from beginning to end in amnesia trance. The recognition of the data by the analytical mind is of secondary importance. I have worked a case in amnesia trance, but I would not like to do it again. Basic personality in that instance was quite weak, with what few attention units he had becoming stuck down very hard at the beginning of the case. The patient would hit some mild bouncer and bounce on it, and so forth.

But you can actually persuade a case all the way through an amnesia trance."



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