Lena and Per Svenlin

[DanLocke]

What I think is you showed your colors in bright neon when you characterized anyone who reported on DM's abuses as part of a "mob".

You say you only want to post "positive" comments about others yet throw out the "mob" generality for those who speak out again DM actions.

I suggest you make some positive comments about those who have put their necks out exposing DM abuses and crimes.

Ok. I know a lot of the people who have exposed DM's crimes and I think they are good people. Steve Hall is a brilliant designer and very articulate. Tory Magoo is an old friend and will always be. She is bright and funny. Karen de la Carriere has always treated other Scientologists with courtesy and respect and never used her rank or post to intimidate others. I don't know Marty Rathbun personally. He is auditing people and I respect auditors.

How's that?

[Expelled 4 Life]

Ok. I know a lot of the people who have exposed DM's crimes and I think they are good people. Steve Hall is a brilliant designer and very articulate. Tory Magoo is an old friend and will always be. She is bright and funny. Karen de la Carriere has always treated other Scientologists with courtesy and respect and never used her rank or post to intimidate others. I don't know Marty Rathbun personally. He is auditing people and I respect auditors.

How's that?

Based on the numerous testimonials (which I assume you have read or heard) from such good people as you mention above I would like to know what your conclusion is about DM. For example have you concluded that DM has physically abused numerous people and therefore is not fit to be the leader of Scientology?

[DanLocke]

Based on the numerous testimonials (which I assume you have read or heard) from such good people as you mention above I would like to know what your conclusion is about DM. For example have you concluded that DM has physically abused numerous people and therefore is not fit to be the leader of Scientology?

Of course I am not in agreement with DM hitting people. And I have not been in agreement with anyone hitting other people.

And I am not in agreement with ridicule and invalidation and force and denigration of others. Of anyone by anyone.

I am for treating people well, with courtesy and respect.

I saw a lot of people in the SO act evilly when they were in. Now that they are out; they're decent people.

There's a lot in the SO FOs and PLs that validate the kind of "tough guy" thing that DM has gotten into. It's actually praised in many cases; you're unreasonable; it means your getting stuff done. (sic)

He's not the only exec beating his staff members. Across the planet there are dozens of others doing this, perhaps not with their fists, but often, with their words. I think these beatings are worse than physical beatings often.

But there are others who are treating people with decency and respect. I'd rather focus my attention on them.

The problem is not DM; the problem is the FOs and policies of Scientology that sanction this type of behavior. DM goes, there will be another DM come along right after.

He's not the first or only bully and he won't be the last.

[Panda Termint]

Hey, Dave; did you happen to do do the BC in LA? I think that I might know you.

Nah, Dan, that'd probably be the other Dave (Christopher) Gibbons. There were two of us in scientology (that I know of) and we often got confused by people in the CofS. I'd get Dave's KRs and he'd get my Commendations!

I was in LA a few times and audited a few sessions at ASHO, AOLA and CC to help out but I only visited the BC Course Room once that I remember, a guided tour by Chris Stevens.

[Happy Days]

Nah, Dan, that'd probably be the other Dave (Christopher) Gibbons. There were two of us in scientology (that I know of) and we often got confused by people in the CofS. I'd get Dave's KRs and he'd get my Commendations!

I 'ed on this ....

[Expelled 4 Life]

Of course I am not in agreement with DM hitting people. And I have not been in agreement with anyone hitting other people.

And I am not in agreement with ridicule and invalidation and force and denigration of others. Of anyone by anyone.

I am for treating people well, with courtesy and respect.

I saw a lot of people in the SO act evilly when they were in. Now that they are out; they're decent people.

There's a lot in the SO FOs and PLs that validate the kind of "tough guy" thing that DM has gotten into. It's actually praised in many cases; you're unreasonable; it means your getting stuff done. (sic)

He's not the only exec beating his staff members. Across the planet there are dozens of others doing this, perhaps not with their fists, but often, with their words. I think these beatings are worse than physical beatings often.

But there are others who are treating people with decency and respect. I'd rather focus my attention on them.

The problem is not DM; the problem is the FOs and policies of Scientology that sanction this type of behavior. DM goes, there will be another DM come along right after.

He's not the first or only bully and he won't be the last.

You had me at "I am not in agreement with DM hitting people."

That being said I never heard anyone mention beatings taking place pre DM. However there are plenty of reports of abusive behavior pre DM especially on the Apollo.

I do agree with you on labeling people, etc. I believe it was Ken Urquhart who stated that he felt LRH began to go off the rails on Ethics & Justice in the mid 1960s though I cut LRH a lot of slack as I believe the lower grade chart is quite brilliant and very workable as are many parts of the ethics and admin tech.

Happy travels on your quest to reconnect with friends.

[DanLocke]

You had me at "I am not in agreement with DM hitting people."

That being said I never heard anyone mention beatings taking place pre DM. However there are plenty of reports of abusive behavior pre DM especially on the Apollo.

I do agree with you on labeling people, etc. I believe it was Ken Urquhart who stated that he felt LRH began to go off the rails on Ethics & Justice in the mid 1960s though I cut LRH a lot of slack as I believe the lower grade chart is quite brilliant and very workable as are many parts of the ethics and admin tech.

Happy travels on your quest to reconnect with friends.

I also believe that the lower grade chart is brilliant. I agree with you: many parts are very workable. I am not ready to throw the babies out with the bath water.

Thank you for your postulate for my success. I am pleased to meet you and wish you well in your endeavors.

Dan

[DanLocke]

I 'ed on this ....

Ha! That's good! The Dave Gibbons I remember was married to Marian Gibbons. They were PAC in the 80's.

[Mick Wenlock]

Thanks very much, Mick. I have an idea that these may be amongst the most common Danish names. Let's see if they surface.

Svenlin is not a Danish name, Dan. Per was Swedish but of Finnish descent IIRC. I never knew Lena's maiden name. I do know that their son is a US Citizen and had a US passport.

Maybe someone in Denmark could check in the phonebook?

[DanLocke]

Svenlin is not a Danish name, Dan. Per was Swedish but of Finnish descent IIRC. I never knew Lena's maiden name. I do know that their son is a US Citizen and had a US passport.

Maybe someone in Denmark could check in the phonebook?

It's very very good how many people view these threads. I am hoping they show up. Someone mentioned that some don't want to show up. I did not know Per that well, but Lena was full of laughter and games.

I know she had lots of friends and it is not imaginable to me that she would not want to connect with those who wish her well.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Dan