Making "L. Ron Hubbard well thought of."

[Veda]

Rehabilitating the name and image of L. Ron Hubbard, and "making LRH well thought of," is the number one priority of CofS Scientologists and Independent Scientologists alike. Can it be done?

Scientology doctrine (mostly confidential) teaches that it must be done if Mankind is to survive.

[lotus]

Unfortunately it's too late

21st century had brought a new era of information wich public relations can't erase

Internet sharing

[Veda]

I've seen some of the (confidential) LRH PPRO (Professional Public Relations Officer) materials from late 1970s/early 1980s. Hubbard was very concerned with the preservation of his name and image. The highest priority went to the preservation, over a long period of time, of Hubbard's name, his image as 'Ron the _____', 'Ron the ______', 'Ron the _______', and as "Messiah." There was even a "Messiah survey" to collect information on public opinion that would assist in Hubbard establishing himself as the "Messiah."

It was all "confidential," and almost anything that is visible and publicized in Scientology, or having to do with L. Ron Hubbard, has a confidential side - whether it's the Scientology "group" 'Friends of L. Ron Hubbard', or 'L. Ron Hubbard presents Writers of the Future' (where aspiring sci-fi authors are given cash awards and published, in exchange for their admiration and adulation of "L. Ron Hubbard, one of the greatest novelists of the 20th century," etc.)

Personally, I don't think Hubbard cared who ran and maintained his front group-surrounded and mental-healing/religion-coated fan club (in their own cynical self-interest with accompanying perks), as long as he/she/they preserved his name and protected and preserved his "image," and maintained the "LRH = Survival"-gimmick, to ensure that other people would assist in the preservation of his name and "image" - to ensure their well-being, their "eternities," etc. etc.

This takes many forms, for example, a while back I received some promo from 'Author Services International' wanting me to buy a leather-bound copy (or copies) of Hubbard's (1930s) pulp-adventure story 'Buckskin Brigades'. According to the promo, buying and owning 'Buckskin Brigades' would ensure the continued recognition of Hubbard as a great novelist, and thus help preserve and promote the (Scientology) tech, which, in turn, would ensure the survival and well being of Mankind and one's spiritual survival and well-being over "eternity."

Miscavige is currently the caretaker for the Hubbard monuments, more than anything else, and, as a result, he has certain perks. Certainly, being surrounded by the recipients of Hubbard's mind-manipulation operation, that "asserted and maintained dominion over thoughts and loyalties," makes it easy for him to enjoy being a bullying dictator - still, he must operate within the already existing cult framework.

Positive LRH image = Survival of Mankind; negative LRH image = Doom.

LRH = Survival.

From a 1989 issue of 'Hotline', an internal 'newsletter' for Scientology LRH PRs:

"...it is LRH's image on which all the rest of our expansion depends. To the degree that LRH is made the stable terminal in society, people will reach for his books and services and we can get them on the Bridge to Total Freedom."

Hubbard set up the ultimate fan club, one that believes that the survival and well being of Mankind, life, the universe and everything, depends on his "being well thought of."

What Marty Rathbun&Friends are doing is largely a PR action to rehabilitate the image and reputation of Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard.

From Marty's Rathbun blog:

"With all the chatter about L. Ron Hubbard's alleged shortcomings, it got me thinking about what the effect of the unprecedented ad hominem attacks against the man were. Hubbard was demonized by the cold war establishment perhaps more than any other civilian figure. One cumulative effect of it all was to one degree or another de-humanize him in the public eye. We see remnants of those effects to this day. Tony Ortega has even come to the conclusion that my mission -and the mission of many independents - is made hopeless by this historical landscape. The landscape is not easy to conceptualize given its long lived nature and Miscavige's daily efforts to make the myths a reality. [Note: the negative Scientology 'myths' - which are usually true - are denounced by both CofS and outside the CoS PR people.] Providing context to the entire picture is a long term project that I never lose sight of, but unfortunately I have not found the time to devote to it that it deserves..." [Referring to the envisioned LRH biography.]

And,

"Miscavige has run a continuous propaganda campaign attempting to besmirch the good name of L. Ron Hubbard. He has continually given little interest or funds for defending public relations attacks on L. Ron Hubbard."

Marty&Mike and other Independent Scientologists are doing an, apparently, self-assigned PR action for the religion-angled, religion-cloaked, cult of Hubbard, which, ultimately, includes both the CofS Scientology and outside the CofS Scientology, a.k.a. "Greater Scientology." If Rathbun&Friends succeed, to any extent, then, in the long run, the CofS will benefit, once it is rid of Miscavige.

After all, their founder's "image" will have been rehabilitated.

Below is a reminder of the Independent Scientology "reality" circa 2011:

"...there are OSA operatives throughout the Anonymous network, ESMB site, the Freezone and Independents running backstabbing, covert propaganda campaigns while we are 'tied up' under siege. Just look for the 1.1s using the safe Independent Scientology space we are creating to promote such practices as no-training-needed to get onto OT levels, 'OT I and OT II are of little importance': especially coming from 'Class VIIIs','Class VIs' and folks claiming to be 'trained by Ron'. They may as well be saying 'Scientology is a fraud, because after all I studied it all, and violently disagree with the Bridge created by Ron'.

"...Cleaning up the image and damage that Miscavige has created for Scientology is not very difficult absent his gargantuan efforts to disrupt such work..."

Etc.

Marty&Friend's objective may be unrealistic, and the Internet age makes it even more challenging, but at least by pointing it out, some things might be explained and better understood.

[apocalyptic]

Rehabilitating the name and image of L. Ron Hubbard, and "making LRH well thought of," is the number one priority of CofS Scientologists and Independent Scientologists alike. Can it be done?

Scientology doctrine (mostly confidential) teaches that it must be done if Mankind is to survive.

Very rich question. Certainly a top-tenner. (over the course of many-many years.)

Contemplation required (lol). Will check back....when 'clear'. (in short order)

Well presented (for the sake of posterity) V.

Thanks.

Apocalyptic

we are not the many, as one. we are the one, as many.

(big difference)

small detail.

Apoc

[Petey C]

I've seen some of the (confidential) LRH PPRO (Professional Public Relations Officer) materials from late 1970s/early 1980s. Hubbard was very concerned with the preservation of his name and image. The highest priority went to the preservation, over a long period of time, of Hubbard's name, his image as 'Ron the _____', 'Ron the ______', 'Ron the _______', and as "Messiah." There was even a "Messiah survey" to collect information on public opinion that would assist in Hubbard establishing himself as the "Messiah."

It was all "confidential," and almost anything that is visible and publicized in Scientology, or having to do with L. Ron Hubbard, has a confidential side

That would have been the Messianic Project and was being explored just after publication of the Hymn of Asia. I had to do a project on that in my early days at Flag, and so did Nancy Many (as described in her book My Billion Year Contract). I read the material in fascination, dread and horror. It made me go cold. I shudder even thinking about it now, that I was immersed in that stuff. I'd never much liked the pictures of Hubbard that hung in the org/CLO but it was reading this stuff that made me realise the man was totally unhinged. That was the trigger that enabled me to separate my own thinking from Scn group think and it was only a year or so later that I got myself free.

Miscavige of course has to safeguard the Founder's rep as it's the foundation stone of belief in Scn practice. If you think Hubbard was mad and cruel, there's no sensible way to accept the beliefs and practices of Scn. So there's a lot invested in making him appear to be the benign, omiscient genius they're trying so hard to keep together.

This I think is one reason why Scnists are ordered not to read "entheta" on the internet, aka opposing views about Scn and Hubbard. If any one little idea out there works its way into a Scn mind, it bring down the whole pack of cards for that person.

[lotus]

Veda

I beleive that the extend of the attacks they run on what they call the ''corporate scientology'' and Miscavige

resonnate with ''scientology is abuse and dangerous'' in public


You can,t make people think this cult is bad - their management is bad , their leader is bad , they run criminal activities, they are dangerous to people, they violate the basics human rights , practice human traficking and harassement plus false emprisonement after you are left without a penny and bancrupt

and then

Tell people


Ho hello, it's us now that run the show - everthing is beautifull and religious now

please acknowledge our founder for his humanitarian accomplisment

hip hip hip

Really

ordinary people are more intelligent than I have been

Who will want this religion????

There is scarves that do not vanish

[Dulloldfart]

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From Marty's Rathbun blog:

They [the "OSA operatives" who post on this ESMB natterboard] and elsewhere may as well be saying 'Scientology is a fraud, because after all I studied it all, and violently disagree with the Bridge created by Ron'.

Hey look, Marty got something exactly right for once.

That was an excellent post of yours, by the way, Veda. How much Hubbard's name should be kept clean (good luck with that) had been getting overlooked by me.

Paul

[Ogsonofgroo]

Rehabilitating the name and image of L. Ron Hubbard, and "making LRH well thought of," is the number one priority of CofS Scientologists and Independent Scientologists alike. Can it be done?

Scientology doctrine (mostly confidential) teaches that it must be done if Mankind is to survive.

Interesting Veda.

I'm guessing here, but it probably can only be done within' the confines of the closed internal society that this particular cult embellishes.

When the whole truth is spread out, I think even the dead old windbag would shudder at the impossible task. It is true, he thought highly of himself.
It is true that many others did and still do.
It is true that many have seen through the illusion and realised, 'Hey, this dude is a dud!'.
Out of the cage the whole of Hubbard, in context, is a fool's paradise. Power, money, eternity.
Still amazed at the lack of 'love' throughout the entire indoctination, for that matter the entire Cos system as Lron designed it. Oh, I suppose that is to make it look more 'technical', you can't bring up the 'kind emotions' anymore, which might explain the ease with which so many families have been destroyed.
Ron, I suspect, didn't really understand 'love' as in the type that dwells unconditionally in the heart. His version was selfish, twisted, and greedy, it seems to me exactly what has been reflected in all 'his techings'.
As much of a megalomaniacal spaz-bag as he was, I'll never deride the fact that the con he came up with is brilliant, but how in the world I'd ever think of the demented shyster well, is beyond me, hm, or behind me, whatever...
Rant over for now, but it felt good!







<3 <3 * icecreams for all!

[Sindy]

<snip of a bunch of really cool stuff simply to make my point below:

This I think is one reason why Scnists are ordered not to read "entheta" on the internet, aka opposing views about Scn and Hubbard. If any one little idea out there works its way into a Scn mind, it bring down the whole pack of cards for that person.

But what is being brought down exactly? Camaraderie of a bunch of people thinking and agreeing upon the same fantasy? An organization that can bamboozle and swindle people out of funds? A means to control people?

I am cross posting from the "Indie 20 Question" thread where Reasonable gives some very honest, thoughtful, and intelligent answers. Here is a person who can see the good, the bad, and the ugly and who is not living a delusional fantasy but who still applies Scientology. Here is a person who can discern. My main question is at the bottom of this quoted material.

Great Questions. I would not call myself a Scientologist but as a person who thinks that it is useful, including some of the tech ( I think auditing is helpful and would use it ) and the admin ( I still use this) I will answer the questions

SUGGESTED QUESTIONS:

1. If an individual commits serious felonies but is not caught by authorities, do you nonetheless consider that person to be a criminal?
YES.

2. Do you think that L. Ron Hubbard was a criminal?
YES

3. Can you list the crimes (that you are aware of) that Ron committed or caused others to commit?
Slave labor, disconnection are the biggest but I believe there are many more

4. Can a person be both a high level Operating Thetan and a criminal at the same time? Explain why you feel that way.
YES and NO
First I do not think the state of clear or OT exists. I do think that auditing can get rid of unwanted conditions and feeling and thus make someone more present and not stuck in the past and therefore be happier and more productive.
I don't even think it works on all people all the time but I do know it has helped me.
I even think that the OT3 story is pure imagination yet assigning your problems to something then imagining that you got rid of that something is a valid form of self hypnosis that can be helpful.
The danger is believing that the story is real ( just like believing in the baby Jesus is God and he died for your sins)


5. Do you think that anyone has achieved the state of Clear as defined in DMSMH? Have you? Why do you think Clear is or is not a true and attainable state?
NO in terms of the results stated in Dianetics
In terms of your not compulsively mocking up new pictures of painful incidents, well that is hard to say. Maybe
in terms of some improvement YES

6. Do you think that Ron or you or anyone else ever achieved the state of Operating Thetan, capable of operating outside of a body as described in the basic books of the 1950's?
NO not at all to the levels claimed in the books.
Can you or anyone you know stably be exterior with perception?
NO ...and no one can prove it. I know people who claim they are but they cannot blow my hat off at 50 paces that is for sure. I think it is possible that maybe a person can have somewhat better "knowingness or ESP or the ability to manifest" Maybe.... But if that is the case it may be 3% better than the average person.

7. Do you think the Fair Game Policies that Ron wrote are anti-social (suppressive), per the PTS/SP tech? Please explain.
I think that Fair game would be OK against a real anti social type or group. For instance Fair game would have been OK against the NAZIs as they rose to power. Fair game would have been ok to use against people who wanted to keep slaves at any point in history.
In short FAIR GAME is declaring war. And sometimes that is needed. Scientologist and RON think that anything said that is not in full agreement with them is an act of war. That is the problem.

8. Do you think that all of Ron's tech is 100% correct and works?
NO, I think that RON's tech can be used by an intelligent person to make better decisions. It is like a recipe without exact measurements. An intelligent person can get the correct measurements. There are some problems with this.
a) Many people are not very intelligent and will screw anything up, they can have a recipe and ruin it.
b) Many Scientologists do not actually apply the tech themselves. It is often an upper level person or an ethics officer applying the policy to them and telling them how to interpret the tech. That becomes a disaster.
Would you cancel any of it?
I think an intelligent person should use what works for him and ignore the rest.
How about KSW, would you make all Scientologists study and apply that?
NO not as a rote indoctrination. This is pretty dangerous in the hands of a stupid person. Again many people are not intelligent enough to apply anything.

9. Are there policies and tech and admin that Ron wrote which you as an Independent do not think should be followed? Can you list out specifically what you think should be canceled?
I think the whole thing is up to interpretation. I know I keep repeating my answer but "Guns don't kill people , people kill people" "policy doesn't kill people stupid people kill people" I think that a lot of people who work for Scientology are stupid not because they were born that way but because they are so isolated they just pass their opinions from one to the next and their intelligence becomes mutated. It is like intellectual inbreeding

10. Are you aware of the story of Ron and Paulette Cooper (Operation Freakout)? How about Ron and Mary Sue Hubbard? (Operation Snow White) If not, would you like to know the details of what Ron, the founder of your church, did? If not, why not?
YES (mostly from reading this board). I agree that RON had two sides. One was paranoid and EVIL. I don't pray to him, he is not a god. I think a lot of genius types are like that. Never the less auditing really did help me and admin really does help me.
Can a paranoid narcissistic person develop a tech that can also improve things if done properly? All I can say is yes because that is what I experienced.
I am not carving out statues of RON I am not shouting Hip hip hooray to his picture. I just use what works for me.

11. If Ron was a high level Operating Thetan with the tech and the advanced abilities to make it go right, why was he forced to resort to criminal behavior with Paulette and Mary Sue in order to get his product?
Because he wasn't that guy (an OT). That was his delusion.
Einstein first wrote his theory of GENERAL relativity then he kept trying to write a theory of relativity of everything. He kept insisting that there was one until his death. He never proved this but still he made amazing contributions to the theory of physics.
In the same way Hubbard had some hits and some misses yet he told everybody that everything was a home run. An idiot would believe this but a smart person can decide for himself which are which.

12. Are there things that Ron said about gains from doing the Bridge that you don't think are true? Do you literally believe all of the OT abilities Ron claims to have or claims that a Scientologist will attain by doing the Bridge? Please explain.
I think if your read my other answers you know what I will say here.
Ignore Ron the person. Use the tech in a way that can benefit you. Don't use it like a robot. use it with intelligence and reason, don't let someone use their interpretation of it on you. If you find another tech that works better use that.
The OT abilities are probably not true and the story is nonsense, not even close but I think I have improved by using them more than if I did nothing.
One main thing I learned from Scientology is find what you are doing that is right and do more of that. That is one reason why I left. Corporate scientology does not do that. They only apply that to getting immediate money.
The thing about the tech is you can always find a quote to defend yourself. If you use as a senior quote "Be your own council make your own decisions etc" then any way you use the tech is correct. If you are a stupid person you will see that you are not doing it correctly in that your life will suffer. If you are an intelligent person you will see you are doing it correctly in that your life will get better.
I think that if a person took the basic books, the admin series and had a good auditor he can get improvement from applying what is in those books. If he can't read, can't understand and can't apply then he will have a bad effect but for that person disaster was in the cards for him all along
Stupid is as Stupid does.
So I don't categorize myself as anything. I just try to use what I can to have a better life, if some of that is from Scientology then so be it.
MY QUESTION TO YOU:
From my answers above do you consider me an "indie" Scientologist?

I can understand why the "Church of Swindle" doesn't want people to know the truth but, why do the Indies care? Why does an Indie have a problem with someone like Reasonable? Why can't all Indies be like Reasonable? Would that pose some sort of earth shattering problem?

I can tell you what it would do, if that was possible, it would bridge the gap between Indies, ex-Scientologists, and non-Scientologists as there would be REALITY. That is what is missing.

[Emma]

It can't be done. The toothpaste is out of the tube & cannot be put back in.

Look, if a bunch of folks want to try & "rehabilitate" the name of Hubbard then I say have at it. It's a winless task but they kind of have to try because they HAVE to believe Hubbard was a good guy or they'll be forced to re-evaluate their entire belief system (as most of us have done). I guess some just can't do that.

At the end of the day, the Indies are small in number & I really don't care if they wanna exorcise their BTs or shout at ashtrays or pretend Hubbard was a saint. They aren't getting any "new blood" just like Scientology isn't getting new blood (except for true believers switching camps from CoS to Martyworld), and eventually when all the Indies have gone up to OT8 with Marty auditing them or/and they just die of old age, the whole thing will come to nothing.

The world at large knows Hubbard was a fraud. The world knows Scientology is a sick joke. I guess that's why I can't & don't get too excited about Marty & the Indies etc. The gig is up. If some folks wanna pretend the party is still happening then there isn't much I can do to help them so I let them be.