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    Rehabilitating the name and image of L. Ron Hubbard, and "making LRH well thought of," is the number one priority of CofS Scientologists and Independent Scientologists alike. Can it be done?

    Scientology doctrine (mostly confidential) teaches that it must be done if Mankind is to survive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veda View Post
    Rehabilitating the name and image of L. Ron Hubbard, and "making LRH well thought of," is the number one priority of CofS Scientologists and Independent Scientologists alike. Can it be done?

    Scientology doctrine (mostly confidential) teaches that it must be done if Mankind is to survive.
    Can it be done? No. Not as those misguided people are trying to do! They are in effect trying to deify "Ron" by force. Insisting that people accept and believe in the "story of Ron".

    If they were to work to make LRH well thought of by practicing the tech to good result, and to promote the philosophy by good example, then maybe they could succeed.

    In scientology terms they are dramatizing a service facsimile. They are trying to be right, rather than actually BEING RIGHT!!!

    I think a good example of this is the Buddha. A fellow who probably understood the fallacy of worship, but also the expediency of a defined point of entry into a whole system of thought. Buddha's teachings would be the correct point of entry, but the person as a figurehead has supplanted that to the point of worship.

    I think it a bit silly that Ron wanted to be seen as the second coming of Buddha, but the parallels between the two men and how their work is seen is interesting. Of course we need a thousand years for proper perspective.

    I don't think Hubbard will be generally well thought of in his own times except by his most devoted followers. I don't think his devoted followers are doing what needs to be done to have him well thought of in the future!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Veda View Post
    Rehabilitating the name and image of L. Ron Hubbard, and "making LRH well thought of," is the number one priority of CofS Scientologists and Independent Scientologists alike. Can it be done?

    Scientology doctrine (mostly confidential) teaches that it must be done if Mankind is to survive.
    That would be like pouring perfume on a pig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoNuclear View Post
    That would be like pouring perfume on a pig.

    Pete


    Or, has been discussed here on ESMB before, like trying to "polish a turd".

    Since it is impossible to build off of Hubbard's REAL history and accomplishments, the ONLY thing left is to MAKE IT ALL UP! THAT is what is the "LRH Image". It is pure FICTION. It is pretend and "make-believe". And the true believers BELIEVE the fairy tales, as do all good and compliant believers of all ilk.
    "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

    "They must know how to kindle and fan an extravagent hope". - Eric Hoffer about the "true believer". "Total Freedom", "your eternity", and "OT" involve a few of the extravagant hopes in Scientology.

    Go HERE to view and/or download the essay, "The Three Basic Scientology Beliefs".

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    Can it be done? No. Not as those misguided people are trying to do! They are in effect trying to deify "Ron" by force. Insisting that people accept and believe in the "story of Ron".

    If they were to work to make LRH well thought of by practicing the tech to good result, and to promote the philosophy by good example, then maybe they could succeed.

    -snip-
    Well, if they're going to "practice the tech to good result" and then have that identified with Hubbard and Scientology, that's going to be quite a trick.

    Here's a sampling, in no particular order, of some of the tech that is to ultimately deliver to Hubbard his much desired status:

    According to L. Ron Hubbard, sexual perverts, including homosexuals, are made by:

    Kicking a baby's head in,
    running over him with a steamroller,
    cutting him in half with a rusty knife,
    boiling him in Lysol,
    and all the while with crazy people
    screaming the most horrifying
    and unprintable things at him.


    From 'Dianetics, The Modern Science of Mental Health'


    On the topic of sex, in 'The Way To Happiness', Hubbard advised against promiscuity, explaining that, "A 'feeling of guilt' is no where near as sharp as ground glass in the soup."

    (This one precept has resulted in a drastic reduction of the consumption of soup by married Scientologists.)

    But all that aside, for good wholesome heterosexual married couples, who were faithful to each other and avoided such unpleasantness as knives in the back or ground glass in the soup, there was enjoyable heterosexual sex.

    Uh, well, not exactly...

    HCO BULLETIN OF 26 AUGUST 1982

    PAIN AND SEX

    There are two items in this universe that cause more trouble than many others combined.

    One is PAIN.

    The other is SEX.

    One should know more about these things.

    They may have applications but they are used by destructive beings in great volume to cave others in.

    Despite the false data of Freud, psychologists, psychiatrists and other criminals, they are not native to a being. They are only artificial wavelengths. They have exact frequencies that can be manufactured. A being or a machine can synthesize either one.

    Pain becomes a lock on a being’s abhorrence for misalignment of his own electrical flows. It is a lock upon unconsciousness which shuts off knowingness. Sex is a lock on and perversion of the “joy of creation” which involves a whole being and expands him, but by using just one wavelength, sex, this can be perverted and he contracts.

    When pain enters a scene, a being withdraws, contracts and can go unconscious. When sex enters the scene, a being fixates and loses power.

    Destructive creatures who do not want people big or reaching—since they are terrified of punishment due to their crimes—invented pain and sex to shrink people and cut their alertness, knowingness, power and reach.

    Go into an asylum or a prison and look at the increasing institutional population and know what you are looking at. In the main, these are pain and sex addicts, decadent and degraded and no longer capable. They were sent on that route down through the ages by the psychs and here they are still in the psychs’ hands! And do they get well or go straight? Oh no. Whether in prisons or insane asylums they just get worse. And the psychs in both places rub their bloodied hands as they turn their products loose again upon the remaining population! It’s no accident. And the stocks in-trade of psychs are PAIN and SEX. They will even tell you it’s “natural” to steal!

    To compound their felony—if that is possible—they tell you it’s the body doing it. Another crashing big false datum on top of all their other lies.

    These are data which emerged from recent thorough research of the whole track. This is not theory or some strange opinion. It is provable electronic fact. The waves are just synthesized.

    They are the most-used tools in the campaign against beings in furthering the general goal of those creatures whose sole ambition is destruction. The universe does not happen to be either destructive or chaotic except as such obsessed creeps make it.



    In the 1950s, as a way of covering for the fact that some people had mental breakdowns after Scientology involvement, Hubbard told Scientologists about LSD - the "insanity drug" - which, according to Hubbard, was covertly used by medical doctors and psychiatrists to undermine and discredit Scientology.

    From the 'Professional Auditors Bulletin' of 30 September 1955:

    "I could tell you about long strings of psychotics run in on the Foundation and the Association, sent in to us by psychiatrists who then, using LSD and pain-drug-hypnosis, spun them and told everyone that Dianetics and Scientology drove people insane. I could tell you about the strange politics and ambitions of psychiatry, so well covered in the book Psycho-politics [Note: Hubbard's hoax Russian textbook, which he had just secretly authored and was not yet published] , and give you a proper riddle as to why we, a small group, the only ANGLO-SAXON DEVELOPMENT IN THE FIELD OF THE MIND AND SPIRIT [sic], have been subjected to so much attack and finance... But I am not telling you stories or being dramatic. I am inviting your cooperation in your own future security..."

    As for dealing with those whose behavior became erratic or an embarrassment after Scientology processing, Hubbard wrote, in the same 'PAB':

    "You'll find the family physician or psychiatrist was called in midway in processing... You'll find there is a vested interest somewhere in the insanity of the person. An so testify that you suspect it. We will have on hand lots of literature on LSD..."

    Sixteen years later, Hubbard would write a similar statement, although this one doesn't mention LSD and is more to the point. It has the simple title 'Confidential', and is dated 29 June 1971:

    "Policy is that we assign any case or upset in Scientology to past damage and interference with the person by medicine or psychiatry. They were sent into us after medicine or psychiatry had already destroyed them. We cannot be blamed for psychiatric or medical failures."

    Now, rather than "psychs," it's "reverse Scientology" applied by the "anti-Christ" of Scientology, David Miscavige.

    But wait, here's some more tech!

    THE TECHNICAL BREAKTHROUGH OF 1973!
    THE INTROSPECTION RD

    I have made a technical breakthrough which possibly ranks with the major discoveries of the twentieth century. It is certainly the greatest achievement of 1973 and is now being released after a final write-up of the research. It is called the Introspection Rundown.


    THE LAST REASON TO HAVE PSYCHIATRY AROUND IS GONE.

    THIS PLANET IS OURS.

    Psychos in ISOLATION

    DBs

    PTS

    SPs

    The anti-Scientologist

    H,E&R, Human Emotion and Reaction

    Homo Saps

    Wogs



    Here are some more excerpts from the 1976 edition of the 'Red Volumes'. It's an HCOB from January 1974.

    In 1970 the actual cause of PSYCHOSIS was isolated... In the ensuing years this has been proven beyond doubt to be correct.

    But what is a psychotic break?

    Man has never been able to solve the psychotic break. In fact, human beings are actually afraid of a person in a psychotic break and in desperation turn to psychiatry to handle.


    [And here Hubbard goes on about psychiatry, ice picks, electric shocks, etc., then...]

    THIS MEANS THE LAST REASON TO HAVE PSYCHIATRY AROUND IS GONE.

    [Then there are the steps of the RD, and the HCOB ends with...]

    THIS PLANET IS OURS.

    [Then there's the HCOB of February 1974, titled...]

    INTROSPECTION RD
    ADDITIONAL STEPS

    ISOLATION


    In a person in a psychotic break, it is necessary to isolate them for them to destimulate and to protect them and others from possible damage...

    There comes a point where the C/S must decide to release the person from isolation. To do this the C/S must know if the person can take responsibility for his actions...

    The C/S's action is a direct comm line to the person by notes. The person is provided with paper and pen to reply. The C/S must determine the person's responsibility level. Example: "Dear Joe. What can you guarantee me if you are let out of isolation?"... "Dear Joe. I'm sorry but no go on coming out of isolation yet. Your actions threatened the survival of hundreds of people indirectly and 6 families directly by burning down their houses. You are unaware of the effects this could have had and still only concerned about your own welfare. You must hate the human race quite a bit."


    [This eventually leads to the cognition...]

    "But, but, I never meant to threaten others' survival. I just wanted to burn down their houses because I like fires. Gosh, I didn't mean it. I don't hate the human race. Oh, I really don't hate the human race."


    Scientologists - both inside and outside the CofS - value highly anyone who is a "Class VIII."

    Here's a sampling of some of Hubbard's teachings on the Class VIII course:







    Most anything in Scientology has a hidden twist to it, reflecting its founder's hidden agenda. Auditing, which at first is simple and benign, changes, as one continues in Scientology. This is in accordance with the "bait and switch" pattern of Scientology, with the "switch" part occurring majorly around the point where Scientology becomes "confidential."

    By the time the person has arrived at "Class VIII" or, its equivalent on the auditing side, "OT 3," the person has already crossed into the "switch" part of the Scientology "Bridge to Total Freedom."

    Another aspect of Scientology is its dishonesty. This dishonesty comes adorned with some twinkling truths and some good practical common sense ideas. Scientology even has its own "PR tech," which boasts of its honesty while, in fact, practicing manipulation and dishonesty.

    I think that the L. Ron Hubbard fan(atic) club people, inside and outside the CofS, have their work cut out for them.
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    A comment on the Church of Scientology, Indie Scientology and Scientologists all.

    It is established beyond doubt that organized Scientology is very publicly committing suicide. It is killing its top people (who leave) and killing its repute. It's a reviled & ridiculed religion; in fact the single most hated one by broadly done polling.

    Scientologists subject themselves to all manner of oppression and allow their personal lives and fortunes to be derailed & destroyed. That is also suicide.

    Sea Org members are slaves who get beaten and worked to near-death. Some make it out, but not before they suffered imprisonment, torture, physical beatings, mind-numbing indoctrination and other unimaginably sadistic "rehabilitation". Why does a human being allow this to be done to themselves. Again, it is embracing a slow suicide of malnutrition, sleep-deprivation, beatings and personality-destroying interrogations.

    Then, what about Marty and the "independents"? There is a terribly cruel irony about their world that goes largely unnoticed. While they are industriously un-besmirching the good name of L. Ron Hubbard, they fail to stop for a moment and realize that if L. Ron Hubbard were here today, he would target Marty and his merry mudball clearers.

    Target? Yes. For total destruction and/or death. It's called Fair Game.

    Marty would be branded Squirrel Number One. He wouldn't have clowns with headcams in golf carts. Hubbard wouldn't have played namby-pamby like COB does. He would have boldly launched an "Operation" and given it a catchy name. Like Operation Freakout. But here is the ironic part. . .

    Marty is "flowing power" to L. Ron Hubbard--the very same L. Ron Hubbard that would assuredly get him imprisoned, insane & institutionalized, suicided or dead. Independent Scientologists have no clue about this for some odd reason.

    Marty does everything in his power to resurrect Hubbard and empower him---so that Hubbard could use that boost to utterly destroy Marty.

    It's exactly what Marty did for decades with Miscavige. And, isn't Miscavige using his billions to figure out a way to rid the world of Marty Rathbun?

    It's called suicide.

    It's no different than going out shopping for bullets so you can deliver them to the paid assassin that has been hired to murder you.

    There is a mental illness involved in all this that is overlooked.

    These folks are very, very self-destructive.

    Hubbard was suicidal too. He did one "operation" after another killing his fame and freedom until he was reduced to a wreck of an old man hiding in a motorhome, afraid to show his face in public.

    My conclusion is that Scientology is so pervasively destructive to a human being that the individual ends up trying to help destroy themselves.

    I can't help but think again of the glassy-eyed Scientologists who think they are saving the planet but are committing financial suicide by donating themselves to death.

    Apologies for rambling here, but I am just struck by the self-destructive traits of a loyal Scientologist.

    And while they are self-destructing (think Tom Cruise) they are turning over their blood and life force to L. Ron Hubbard to "protect his name".

    Only in Scientology do people line up for blocks to a restaurant owned by cannibals, not realizing that they, themselves, are the food that will be served.
    Wow! Very astute observations!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lulu Belle View Post
    Remember that old adage, "The cobbler's children have no shoes"?

    The church might be better off taking this viewpoint as a whole. "Yes, LRH had personal issues, but he still created this wonderful technology."
    That's a bit like saying that Stalin had anger management issues.

    That would be like pouring perfume on a pig.
    I was just going to say that a pig with lipstick on is still a pig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petey C View Post
    I was just going to say that a pig with lipstick on is still a pig.
    But much more kissable, amirite?
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    A comment on the Church of Scientology, Indie Scientology and Scientologists all.

    It is established beyond doubt that organized Scientology is very publicly committing suicide. It is killing its top people (who leave) and killing its repute. It's a reviled & ridiculed religion; in fact the single most hated one by broadly done polling.

    Scientologists subject themselves to all manner of oppression and allow their personal lives and fortunes to be derailed & destroyed. That is also suicide.

    Sea Org members are slaves who get beaten and worked to near-death. Some make it out, but not before they suffered imprisonment, torture, physical beatings, mind-numbing indoctrination and other unimaginably sadistic "rehabilitation". Why does a human being allow this to be done to themselves. Again, it is embracing a slow suicide of malnutrition, sleep-deprivation, beatings and personality-destroying interrogations.

    Then, what about Marty and the "independents"? There is a terribly cruel irony about their world that goes largely unnoticed. While they are industriously un-besmirching the good name of L. Ron Hubbard, they fail to stop for a moment and realize that if L. Ron Hubbard were here today, he would target Marty and his merry mudball clearers.

    Target? Yes. For total destruction and/or death. It's called Fair Game.

    Marty would be branded Squirrel Number One. He wouldn't have clowns with headcams in golf carts. Hubbard wouldn't have played namby-pamby like COB does. He would have boldly launched an "Operation" and given it a catchy name. Like Operation Freakout. But here is the ironic part. . .

    Marty is "flowing power" to L. Ron Hubbard--the very same L. Ron Hubbard that would assuredly get him imprisoned, insane & institutionalized, suicided or dead. Independent Scientologists have no clue about this for some odd reason.

    Marty does everything in his power to resurrect Hubbard and empower him---so that Hubbard could use that boost to utterly destroy Marty.

    It's exactly what Marty did for decades with Miscavige. And, isn't Miscavige using his billions to figure out a way to rid the world of Marty Rathbun?

    It's called suicide.

    It's no different than going out shopping for bullets so you can deliver them to the paid assassin that has been hired to murder you.

    There is a mental illness involved in all this that is overlooked.

    These folks are very, very self-destructive.

    Hubbard was suicidal too. He did one "operation" after another killing his fame and freedom until he was reduced to a wreck of an old man hiding in a motorhome, afraid to show his face in public.

    My conclusion is that Scientology is so pervasively destructive to a human being that the individual ends up trying to help destroy themselves.

    I can't help but think again of the glassy-eyed Scientologists who think they are saving the planet but are committing financial suicide by donating themselves to death.

    Apologies for rambling here, but I am just struck by the self-destructive traits of a loyal Scientologist.

    And while they are self-destructing (think Tom Cruise) they are turning over their blood and life force to L. Ron Hubbard to "protect his name".

    Only in Scientology do people line up for blocks to a restaurant owned by cannibals, not realizing that they, themselves, are the food that will be served.
    All of that is true. But just think of it ... there are LITERALLY MILLIONS of folk out there who have that same sickness, and who are just LOOKING for a cause to SACRIFICE THEMSELVES FOR. And if YOU don't take advantage, SOMEONE ELSE WILL, so WHY NOT YOU??????????????????????????????????????????????? ?? Of course, up until now, the secrets to becoming a multi-million dollar cult guru were CLOSELY GUARDED, but, today, you can order the "MAKING BIG MONEY IN THE CULT BUSINESS" TV offer success kit, for only $39.95, but YA GOTTA CALL NOW! OPERATORS ARE STANDING BY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Pete

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