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LOL, I love it too. If you really want to know what my point is, I'm quite willing to explain but it will take a paragraph or two three four five six. OK?
My point is this; When I first witnessed Kate Ceberano tell her good friend (Kerrie-Anne, the Interviewer) what I considered to be a bald-faced lie, I was kinda surprised because anyone who had done OT 3 would know what was being referred to. I decided to look more closely at what was actually asked and what was actually said and discovered for myself how the Interviewer gave her the get-out-of-the-question-free card. Basically I wanted to understand WTF? was Kate thinking at the time.
In a 4 minute interview the alien question gets about 10 seconds and a brush-off pat PR response, the old "confusing Hubbard's science fiction with his religious works" routine.
The Interviewer asks, "What about aliens? People will say 'Hey, you believe in aliens'. Do you believe in aliens?" and Kate responds with a dismissive smile something along the lines of "I've never heard of it in all my three generations of scientology" and Lee jumps in with the pat PR answer. Did she lie or has she actually never heard aliens mentioned in scientology? We all understand what is actually being asked (and she did too) but using the word "alien" let her off the hook. I would have loved to have heard what she said to "What about Xenu? Body Thetans? Entities?". I'm guessing she would have used the 'Mick Wenlock Clause', ie. "We don't discuss our advanced beliefs outside of the confidentiality of our organizations" but she may have, just as easily, lied to her friend. The thing is, I'll never know because the Interviewer gave her the out in the wording of the question.
I haven't listened to the Marty interview, and don't really plan to unless it becomes vitally important to my continued survival, lol, but from what little I've seen reproduced here it looks like more of the same or similar line of questioning.
My point is, why give the scientologist any wiggle-room? If you want to hold scientology beliefs up for inspection and ask questions about them, use Hubbard's exact words and the actual concepts which make up those beliefs not amusing words and concepts coined by others.
As I've commented earlier, scientologists have a real problem when it comes to telling lies. They have to balance their compulsion to never False Report and always relate exact time, place, form and event with their compulsion to protect scientology at all costs, maintain Confidentiality of Materials, tell acceptable truths, invent Shore Stories etc whilst still somehow maintaining a sense of Personal Integrity.
It's a tough gig but I believe I already came up with the Scientological Law Of Lying:
In scientology, lies only ever flow downwards, they never flow up.
(Lying to yourself is not only permitted, it is mandatory!)
Cool. I agree with everything you are saying...with one, little, eenie-weenie, itsy-bitsy exception.
We all understand what is actually being asked (and she did too) but using the word "alien" let her off the hook.
Well, actually the part about "let her off the hook" might not be so itsy-bitsy.
I don't get that. How would it let a person off the hook if they deliberately changed the meaning of a question and answered something they were not asked? LOL
Example:
INTERVIEWER
So, Mr. Rathbun, is it true that while you were in Scientology
you promoted violence that resulted in you and your
staff regularly beating other staff members?
MARTY RATHBUN
No, that is a complete lie!
(Marty thinks to himself)
"Well, I did promote violence and beatings,but
that's not what he asked me. He asked me if I promoted
violins, which I never, ever did. So luckily I am off the hook!"
Re: Marty toasted on both sides on KHOW radio yesterday
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I think you've been consistent all along, but it took this post for me to understand exactly what you mean. Probably because I've been reading too many posts glibly. I'm going to work on correcting that. 
