Marty toasted on both sides on KHOW radio yesterday

[RolandRB]

Can't you just listen to that and tell that he is in the tone level of "bullshitter"? My Dad was a world-class bullshitter and I knew Ron was one also from early on, definitely when I listened to him on the study tapes. I had a lot of experience with that tone level and spotted it as soon as he went off on one of his bullshit lines.

But. But. I also knew that just because someone was a bullshitter did not mean that they did not have something valuable to contribute. Flawed human beings but not useless. My Dad was deeply flawed yet still incredibly capable in many areas. I will tell my story one day soon.

disinfected

This is not bullshit. This is not somebody trying to impress by claiming more than he knows. This is just plain madness. It is insanity. It is just plain lunatic rubbish.

When a Scientologist hears that they should have the sense to leave. If they don't have the sense to leave then they are stupid people ripe for being exploited and bullied.

[Rene Descartes]

Killed? Dead? I don't remember that part of the teaching. Did Ron actually say "killed"? Just askin'.

Killed, schmilled, I'm still trying to figure out how they fit billions upon bilions of people on DC8s.

(Out of respect for my ability to show respect for others I did not use the word aliens)

Rd00

[Rene Descartes]

I remember yearrs ago on beliefnet I was having a debate with a few of hte other yokels there.

It concerned my concerns that I felt it was impossible to trap a thetan because it was impossible to take measurements of a thetan to determine if the thetan was trapped.

I think one of the answers I got was that you could ask the thetan if it was trapped.

Excuse me please for some reason thinking about that thread made me laugh and I had to remove my self from the keyboard and let out a short linecharge.

Okay I am more calm now. Where was I?

Oh yeah. Measuring thetans or something like that.

How do those hard hats know that they actualy have the thetans in those boxes?

I think we are going to have to put our collective heads together on this one.

Rd00

[RolandRB]

I remember yearrs ago on beliefnet I was having a debate with a few of hte other yokels there.

It concerned my concerns that I felt it was impossible to trap a thetan because it was impossible to take measurements of a thetan to determine if the thetan was trapped.

I think one of the answers I got was that you could ask the thetan if it was trapped.

Excuse me please for some reason thinking about that thread made me laugh and I had to remove my self from the keyboard and let out a short linecharge.

Okay I am more calm now. Where was I?

Oh yeah. Measuring thetans or something like that.

How do those hard hats know that they actualy have the thetans in those boxes?

I think we are going to have to put our collective heads together on this one.

Rd00

They should be frozen alien bodies with frozen alcohol and glycol surrounding them to trap the thetan when it exteriorises but the boxes are too small.

[anonomog]

They should be frozen alien bodies with frozen alcohol and glycol surrounding them to trap the thetan when it exteriorises but the boxes are too small.

Did Hubbard mention how big the original people were before they became deceased?

They might have been about the size of an earth bacteria, in which case, the boxes were a little roomy.

How do we know the thetans were trapped in the boxes? A deep inner knowingness.
(Also look carefully at the box in the picture... the xenu bureau of standards has certified that at each box is guaranteed to hold a minimum of 100 000 thetans and contents may settle during transport.)

[RolandRB]

Killed, schmilled, I'm still trying to figure out how they fit billions upon bilions of people on DC8s.

(Out of respect for my ability to show respect for others I did not use the word aliens)

Rd00

They would need a lot of DC-8s to transport the near entire population of a planet, assuming the journey took 9 weeks as Hubbard claimed. You would need at least a million of them and presumably a million pilots flying them. If you got a letter telling you to come in for an income tax audit then wouldn't you find it strange that there is all these DC-8 space planes taking off? And how would they manage the air traffic on Teegeack?

[Rene Descartes]

They would need a lot of DC-8s to transport the near entire population of a planet, assuming the journey took 9 weeks as Hubbard claimed. You would need at least a million of them and presumably a million pilots flying them. If you got a letter telling you to come in for an income tax audit then wouldn't you find it strange that there is all these DC-8 space planes taking off? And how would they manage the air traffic on Teegeack?

It is looking grim that maybe Hubbard was onto something. Whereas Math may be used sometimes to disprove something or to prove the unlikelihood we are hard pressed on this one.

Assume that one needs 5 minutes to land a DC8 and clear the landing-way for the next one. 1,000,000 X 5 minutes = 5,000,000 minutes ==> 83,333 1/3 hours ==> 3,472 2/9 days ==> approximatgely 9 and 1/2 years.

Therefore they would only need 10 landing-ways to conitnuously land 1,000,000 DC8s in a little less than a year.

This is beginning to sound more plausible. I fear that we may be in error making sport of the xenu story. Maybe we should be on the lookout for symptoms of pneumnia amongst ourselves.

Perhaps it was mot than 1,000,000 DC8s.

For our sake I hope it was because it is going to take a lot more than 1,000,000 DC8s to realistically cast more of a shadow of doubt on the veracity of the story.

We need to do more research.

If we had a good estimate of

1) How many people the overlord shanghaied from each of the 75 planets

2) How many of these people would fit onto a DC8 taking into account crew and other individuals needed to perform the operation on Teegeeack

That would be a good place to start.

Another calculation would involve figuring out how many people can fit into a volcano assuming they are packed in like sardines.

I await your scientific ideas on the matter.

Rd00

Rd00

[SweetnessandLight]

This is not bullshit. This is not somebody trying to impress by claiming more than he knows. This is just plain madness. It is insanity. It is just plain lunatic rubbish.

When a Scientologist hears that they should have the sense to leave. If they don't have the sense to leave then they are stupid people ripe for being exploited and bullied.

No, I would say, and I mean this sincerely, not that they are stupid people, but that they have CAUGHT the implanted group madness, the group delusion commonly agreed upon, by practicing Scientology. The Cult was designed to catch people using interesting stories, like the story of you having a reactive mind that is like a mechanical recording device, and that you can go back and erase the effect that incidents (real and imagined) have on you, and by doing so improve your life.

In general, in life, I don't like a blame the victims mindset. I say, blame the perpetrators. The problem with Scientology is that, due to the push to get everyone to disseminate, and get further and further involved with doing the Cult's business for them...often the "victims" become the perpetrators of the con. Not black and white, with clear-cut boundaries...fuzzy boundaries. What a big huge grey area!

For those of you (hello lurkers! ) who are still in the process of waking up from these fantastic stories that Ron spun so profitably, just disagree with it. Disagree with any part of it that does not seem right or true to you. Keep disagreeing with more and more aspects of it, as they seem questionable or unreal to you. That's the way to get mentally free of it. It's a process and it takes time and patience with yourself. But you can do it! Many others have freed themselves from Cult indoctrination and you can too!

I love this thread! You have no idea how much real world good is being done here, by discussing this!

Yes, Scientologists lie. They train in how to be able to tell lies easily and effortlessly. Why would any good, effective religion or self-improvement process really need to train it's members to lie? Just considering that will help to loosen it's grip on your thinking a little bit more...if you are still "in" and wondering what's wrong. And it helps make the rest of us want to look behind the curtain...to see what's really going on within Scientology.

If some of you are still wrestling with WTF about all this space opera stuff... this is not a bad way to frame it for yourself in recovery...Ron the writer spun a very fantastic tale, and made a fun and detailed game out of it, one that even had a role for me to play in not only improving myself but also in "saving" the planet and billions of trapped souls! And it was such a fun game and seemed so promising that I bought into it for a time. But now I see that it was just a story that he made up. Parts of it worked for me and made me feel good, and parts of it didn't and made me feel bad...but it wasn't really real. It was just a story that I got caught up with and followed along for a while. But it's not real and it doesn't have to have a hold on me any longer.

This is a transitional viewpoint which may help some people to move on, and to move forward in their thinking.

You can say to yourself that I can accept now that it wasn't reality, it was just a very involved and interesting story that I bought into for awhile, but I'd like to stop now.

I'm going to stop now.

That's it!

[HelluvaHoax!]

Killed, schmilled, I'm still trying to figure out how they fit billions upon bilions of people on DC8s.

(Out of respect for my ability to show respect for others I did not use the word aliens)

Rd00

Make that 13 trillion aliens.

It wouldn't have been that hard to get them all on planes, but when all 13 trillion of them got into the security line at the same time, it kinda delayed things.

[RolandRB]

It is looking grim that maybe Hubbard was onto something. Whereas Math may be used sometimes to disprove something or to prove the unlikelihood we are hard pressed on this one.

Assume that one needs 5 minutes to land a DC8 and clear the landing-way for the next one. 1,000,000 X 5 minutes = 5,000,000 minutes ==> 83,333 1/3 hours ==> 3,472 2/9 days ==> approximatgely 9 and 1/2 years.

Therefore they would only need 10 landing-ways to conitnuously land 1,000,000 DC8s in a little less than a year.

This is beginning to sound more plausible. I fear that we may be in error making sport of the xenu story. Maybe we should be on the lookout for symptoms of pneumnia amongst ourselves.

Perhaps it was mot than 1,000,000 DC8s.

For our sake I hope it was because it is going to take a lot more than 1,000,000 DC8s to realistically cast more of a shadow of doubt on the veracity of the story.

We need to do more research.

If we had a good estimate of

1) How many people the overlord shanghaied from each of the 75 planets

2) How many of these people would fit onto a DC8 taking into account crew and other individuals needed to perform the operation on Teegeeack

That would be a good place to start.

Another calculation would involve figuring out how many people can fit into a volcano assuming they are packed in like sardines.

I await your scientific ideas on the matter.

Rd00

Rd00

They must have transported the bodies themselves because the thetan might have still been in the body. They would need the frozen body to make sure. I guess you could get 500 bodies in boxes loaded onto a DC-8 both in the passenger apartments and cargo apartments. Don't forget that you could also use the corridor as there would be no need for the air hostesses to roll the trolley down it to give out cheap meals, magazines and drinks. Only one toilet would be needed for the pilot so 2 coffins could be stood up in the other toilets. So I think 500 is a good number to fill up the DC-8 space plane for its climed nine week journey.

Let's say they transported a trillion of these al^H^H people this way then 1,000,000,000,000/500 then 2 billion DC's would be needed to do it in one trip. 1 billion in 2 trips. Let's say they made 5 trips there and back then it would take 90 weeks but minus the last trip home then they could have the boxes stacked in place in 81 weeks which is sort of OK is you have eternal batteries keeping the refridgeration running. So they would have only needed 400 million DC-8s landing over 81 weeks. That's 5 million a week and if there are 5 primary volcanoes then that's a million a week for each.