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    El Ron claimed Scn to be a Science. The fact is Scn and the Cof$’s claims has, with one small exception in the early '50's, never been subjected to an actual valid Scientific Study; has never been examined by an actual valid Statistical Analysis; has never been scrutinized by an actual valid Primary Research Project.

    There are Documents proving that El Ron completely lied about and liberally “embellished” his life, accomplishments, bona fides and experiences. Hisself’s public and secret writings are rife with contradictions, fallacious premises and vitriol.

    El Ron claimed on the PDC that Buckminster Fuller discovered a form of Geometry that Hisself used to “discover” the Axioms and Logics that Scn is based upon—yet there is not one Paper of the Proofs and no lecture detailing the methodology. El Ron Claimed, in correspondence to Robert Heinlein, that Scn was based upon precise equations and Mathematics—yet Hisself never sent them to Heinlein despite repeated requests to do so. I could go on and on.

    Academically, everything that has been written about Scn is opinion based upon, to a greater or lesser degree, quasi Secondary Research, the educated Opinion and the “Take” of the Academic.

    I’m certainly not qualified to render an academic, legal of theological statement as to whether or not Scn is truly a “Religion”. I suppose that as it contains fantasy, lies and historical inaccuracy, is littered with inane doctrine, unsubstantiated claims and a strict formulated “liturgy” and has ministers, faithful and apostates it meets academic, judicial or cultural requisites.

    But, the folks here on this Board, the FZ and Indy folks and the folks still in the Cof$ did NOT pursue Scn because it was a Religion…They pursued it because it was, supposedly, a “100% Standard and workable ‘Technology’”, based upon “rigorous Scientific” Primary “Research” by a Nuclear Physicist/Civil Engineer/Decorated WWII Naval Officer & Squadron Commander that “proved and validated” the precise Mathematics behind the Theorems and Logics the “Tech” was based upon.

    Academics, Christians, Agnostics, Agnostics and Atheists can, and will, debate forever whether or not Jesus actually lived, was the Son of God and the Resurrection is True…What is beyond debatable is that El Ron Lied, Plagiarized and Stole.

    And fundamentally, IMO, that’s why there are some rightfully and royally PO’d folks here on this Board.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Type4_PTS View Post
    I've seen a couple comments that he had died of throat cancer. See the 2'nd comment below the article entitled "Blood on Their Hands" by a commenter using the screen name 'Symbiote':
    http://www.scientology-cult.com/bloo...eir-hands.html

    Also, whoever created the "they should not have died" blog also listed his cause of death as throat cancer.
    http://theyshouldnothavedied.wordpre...eglect-a-to-g/

    I have no idea as to the accuracy of that data though. It's just what I was able to come up with in a search.
    Thank you for this...in my research I saw cancer of the esophagus listed associated with asbestos exposure, too.

    In my opinion in might not be only dosing people, and we know OSA operatives have copped to doing this with their perceived "enemies".

    Think of all the unlicensed, uninspected "renovations" and building projects all over done by unskilled EPF or RPF or plain old SO labor. I'm sure a LOT of toxic contaminants were inhaled or ingested by many different people, including some public members, who were exposed to the area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claire Swazey View Post
    Doesnt it depend on what they're asking for? If Prof. Beverley (or anyone else) asks me for my money and time, I'll be wary. If they are just talking to me on a message board, I've got nothing to worry about.

    I like your essential faith in mankind.

    But, you bring up a good point. Of course, there are conniving con artists, like Hubbard, who do ask for your time and money.

    But there are other equally precious things that authors and even message board posters ask for--such as one's acceptance and propagation of their ideas, misconceptions or knowing lies.

    In a war of information vs. disinformation, individuals who write or post spin, half-truth or lies are actually combatants and not recognizing them as such leads to a place where people eventually stand up and yell Hip-Hip-Hoorays or Heil Hitler or other undeserved Helluva-Hoax-Honorfics.
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    For offended Scientologists reading this blasphemy about L. Ron Hubbard---my apologies for talking about real life without lying to you, like Scientology, with goo-goo theta-talk. I know you don't have a floating needle right now. You're not supposed to.

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    Default Re: Starting on ESMB Professor Jim Beverley

    Oh, I forgot the part about El Ron traveling extensively in Tibet and studying under Monks in a Buddhist Lamasery.
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    Default Re: Starting on ESMB Professor Jim Beverley

    Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaHoax! View Post
    Perhaps at times that is true.

    But, then on the other hand, if people on this board (you and me included) had a tad bit more "suspicion" at an earlier point in our lives, we never would have been sucked headfirst into the hellacious hubbard hoax.

    HELL THAT'S THE TRUTH...If anything it serves us well to be suspicious and not go blindly ahead.
    Rather the purpose is to make new scientologists.
    And that is what they are trying to fool libraries, businesses and schools into helping them do - spread Scientology and make new scientologists.

    Thanks to Lawrence Brennan for the above quote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Beverley View Post
    --snipped--
    I have come to realize that if I join other message boards and post there or start new threads on this one I will have to give up regular work, family life, eating, sleeping, etc.


    That is correct, sir. No time for dilletantish frivolities. We have a planet Internet to clear.
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    Scientology in one word? HelluvaHoax!

    I never felt as free as when I freed myself from "Total Freedom".

    For offended Scientologists reading this blasphemy about L. Ron Hubbard---my apologies for talking about real life without lying to you, like Scientology, with goo-goo theta-talk. I know you don't have a floating needle right now. You're not supposed to.

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    Default Re: Starting on ESMB Professor Jim Beverley

    Quote Originally Posted by SweetnessandLight View Post
    I was wondering when someone would introduce Jim to the "lying TR's" as they are part of Scientology "doctrine" or "scripture". Thanks Face, for sharing your very valuable perspective and input here.

    Jim, there are a handful of members here on ESMB who are worth their weight in gold in terms of being oral history subjects. Unfortunately, some are constrained from speaking their whole truths by having routinely signed stringent draconian "gag orders" as part of their leaving the Cult or settling a lawsuit with the Cult as a part of their process of leaving, or because they have some family members still "in" COS who would be forced to disconnect (shun totally) them if they were "declared" as enemies by COS for speaking out about the fraud, crimes or abuses they have witnessed while in the Cult. Telling the truth is considered a "crime" by Scientologists if that truth is anything negative about Ron, David Miscavige or COS.

    It is really impossible to separate out the business activity (I call it Corporate Scientology) from the so-called "religion" of COS, which business activity COS executives spend millions on legally protecting, because it is worth billions to the Cult's coffers.

    I feel that we are incredibly fortunate to have access to these Exes, the ones who worked to build the Cult organization, structure, and often were the ones who created, uncredited, the "religious technology" used throughout the decades, who worked with Ron personally, etc. The opportunity to converse with them and question them, even through the veil of anonymity here, and given the constraints which they find themselves under, is extremely valuable.

    They don't usually post as much or as often as many of us chatting here, but when they do speak up about a subject, the wise stop what they are doing, pay attention and listen.

    Facey is just such a person.
    i've often seen reference to TR-L. has anyone ever produced proof of it?

    i haven't seen the drill itself published or heard someone say thy had actually done the drill themselves
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    Quote Originally Posted by afaceinthecrowd View Post

    That aerial view was so brilliant and insightful.

    Trying to fully understand Hubbard/Scientology without reading Face's essays is like taking a 15th century oceanic voyage from the Old World to America. It's a long, perilous journey where you might or might not ever arrive.

    Thanks so much Face.



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    Up to this point my “Reader’s Digest” installments were intended as a “framing” for what I wish to cover in the last few installments, beginning with this one. My framing was intended to do two things:

    1. Give context as to how I “see” the Story of El Ron as Founder/CEO and Scn as an Organization up to the point of my entry into Hisself’s Demonic Cult.

    2. Give context as to why I “see” the story the way I do.

    Along the way I have gained much additional insight from all of you and, for this, I am grateful and thank you. I’m also having a darned good time!

    I embarked on this little project due to a comment made by BlueSpirit, regarding the destruction of the Mission Holders, in response to one my posts. When Blue made that comment I was coming to the point where I was comfortable here on this Thread with Yall and I decided that I was going to tell, for the first time, what I saw, how I “saw” it and how I “see” it now.

    By the happenstance and serendipitous Nature of the Universe I had very good to excellent and, in some cases, backstage seating and on stage parts for the “Boom” of the latter ‘60’s; the issuance and implementation of the "Management 'Super Tech' Series" and “Systems’ of the early-mid ‘70’s; the establishment of the FLB and expansion of the FSO; the advent of NOT’s (I think Knots is more apropos); the flowering and fruition of the CMO Demon Seed; the Demonizing of David Mayo; the neutering of the truly capable and gifted Leaders, Executives and Staff of the organizations; the wholesale wanton slaughter and looting of Scn’s “Crown”—the Franchise Network—and the brilliant “Jewels" of that Crown—the Mission Holders and Field Auditors. These events culminated in the spiritual, moral and functional “Ransacking” of the entire Field and Membership, the installment of a total “Big Brother” Management Model through out all of Scn and El Ron’s exit from Hisself’s stage.

    I innocently wandered into the “Matrix” just before the “Boom” and, staggeringly snuck out just after Da Monster wrested sole control. During most of my Scn years I was Staff and most of those years were as a Sea Org Member, and all of those SO years were as Flag Crew, a Senior Exec and Int “Management”.

    I’m a Buckminster Fuller fan. El Ron—I believe on the PDC—“credits” Fuller with coming up with a Geometry that helped Hisself formulate the Axioms, etc. In reading Fuller it is obvious that El Ron liberaly “borrowed” stuff from Bucky.

    One of the best things Bucky ever said, IMO, was, “Don’t fight forces, use them.”

    Fighting forces is exactly what El Ron did throughout the “Boom” to “ashes to ashes, dust to dust” years and was completely oblivious—along with Senior "Management"—about the three most important over-arching “Forces” re: the History of Scn and the growth through the ‘60’s and 70’s. This “disconnect” with the “Wog (real) World” is, in my mind, reflected by Hisself’s “Legacy” of the Sea Organization and the “Modern Management Tech” (MMT) of the ‘70’s. Looking at the World through the reams and reams of MMT is, in part, what rendered Senior "Management" so blind, so clumsy, so goofy and so, so clueless.

    The forces that El Ron fought unawares are the same forces that have kept the cult going until now; wanted, supported and bought all Da Monsters buildings; filled the coffers of SO reserves; continue to fill Da Monsters IAS coffers; are Marty, The Liberator’s core of support; started the FZ; are represented most well here on ESMB and this Thread; will ultimately smother, torch and bleed to death institutionalized Dianetics and Scientology.

    These forces are as Fractal as Fractal gets; they are unstoppable; at this point in time, they are unalterable; the dye is cast and the spell is broken; the genie is out of the bottle; no one can fix it; it’s too late; it's all over.

    Numerous books have been written about these forces—they are true and the forces are real. Alan, Rog, Veda, Mystic and Lakey are part of the first force. Carmelo, Zinj, BlueSpirit and Ole Face here are part of the second force, and all of us mentioned are part of the third force.

    What are these forces?

    The “Lucky Few” generation, the “Baby Boomer” generation and, most importantly, a unique “composite” force out of these two forces; the Corssover Chohort Group (CCG)...the latter years of the Few's and the early years of the Boomers.

    The latter years members of the “Few’s” were heavily influenced by their counter-culture sub-cohort group, the "Beatniks". The earlier years members of the “Boomer’s” were heavily influenced by their own counter-culture sub-cohort group—spawned by the “Beats’—the "Hippies".

    This (CCG) is the cultural, numerical, educational, economic “pig in the python’. It is the driving wind that has filled sails and sunk ships for the last 50 years. El Ron thought that the rise of Scn in the late ‘50’s and the “Boom” years was due to his Tech and Admin brilliance, his executive acumen…it wasn’t. It was mostly due to Scn’s sails catching some of the CCG winds of change.

    CCG’s constituted the Field and built the Missions and Orgs and not SO “Management”. Senior SO Int "Management" was primarily clueless yes-men, jockeying for position to curry the favor of El Ron. The most clueless, political and self centered of the bunch was Princess Di, CS-6. Of all the children, Diana was the most like her father. Having a “conversation” with Princess Di was pretty much like having one with El Ron…you were just a prop on their stage. I feel for her though…towards the end El Ron hung her out to dry, too.

    By the time I arrived in “the inner circle” one thing was obvious to those that had personal interaction with El Ron…Hisself was no longer ready for Primetime. The Apollo was sort of a hermitage for El Ron where Hisself could be all of Hisself's selfs and everyone would applaud, go along with it and keep their mouths shut. In a sense, the Apollo was like a ship of Pirates, under the command of El Ron, The Swashbuckler. The Plunder was the exorbitant fees every Org paid for Flag “Management” and the Booty was money taken from Orgs by Raiding Parties (Flag Missionaire “Help” and “Assistance”). Commodore El Ron El Rey and Hisself’s Pirate Queen had the only access and keys to the Treasure Chest.

    Next Up: Adios Apollo

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    Quote Originally Posted by afaceinthecrowd View Post
    Oh, I forgot the part about El Ron traveling extensively in Tibet and studying under Monks in a Buddhist Lamasery.
    In other words, you found the man to be a liar?

    Well, why didn't you say so!



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    Here is one place you can find it.

    http://www.cosvm.org/tr-l.htm

    INTELLIGENCE SPECIALIST TRAINING ROUTINE - TR-L



    Purpose:
    To train the student to give a false statement with good TR-1.
    To train the student to outflow false data effectively.


    Position:
    Same as TR-1


    Commands:
    Part 1 - "Tell me a lie." Command given by coach.
    Part 2 - interview type 2. WC by coach.


    Training Stress:
    In Part 1 coach gives command, student originates a falsehood.
    Coach flunks for out TR 1 or TR 0. In Part 2 coach asks questions
    of the student on his background or a subject. "Student gives
    untrue data of a plausible sort that the student backs up with
    further explanatory data upon the coach further questions. The
    coach flunks for out TR 0 and TR 1, and for student fumbling on
    question answers. The student should be coached on a gradient
    until he/she can lie facily." ["facilely" -- editor]


    Short example:
    Coach: Where do you come from?


    Student: I come from the Housewives Committee on Drug Abuse.


    Coach: But you said earlier that you were single.


    Student: Well, actually I was married but am divorced. I have 2
    kids in the suburbs where I am a housewife, in fact I'm a member
    of the P.T.A.


    Coach: What town is it that you live in?


    Student: West Brighton.


    Coach: But there is no public school in West Brighton.


    Student: I know. I send my children to school in Brighton, and
    that's where I'm a P.T.A. member.

    Coach: Oh, and who is the Chairman there? etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Commander Birdsong View Post
    i've often seen reference to TR-L. has anyone ever produced proof of it?

    i haven't seen the drill itself published or heard someone say thy had actually done the drill themselves
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