By the way, do you think you're accomplishing anything - in your silly multi-colored posts - by repeatedly calling those who post on ESMB "angry," etc., as in "irrational," while at the same time lecturing them on proper behavior?
The bottom line is this:
The "church" of $cientology wants to be thought of as a "real religion".
They told me so when I was volunteering with them, in OSA, in PR.
It's a MAJOR goal of theirs.
The "church" of $cientology couldn't be farther from what the average
person thinks is a religion. I'm not saying ALL other religions are great,
as many have their own problems, too. BUT___I think it's VERY important
to understand the difference in a CULT and a Religion.
Scientology---the "church" of $cientology IS a CULT: Period.
The FACT that they are a *total* business..charging for EVERY
SINGLE LEVEL_________Is disgusting that they have tax exemption.
Follow the $$$$$_____There is where they'll get snagged up...just like
Al Capone did, too.
You can call me, Jim, if you want. I was "in" for 30 years and escaped
out in July of 2000.
For those still "in":
"Leap and the Net will Appear"
Make the Leap!
Make it safely and come share your story with us
I understand the point of view (even though I do not hold it myself) that once people have adopted Scientology as their religion, even though done under a fraudulent basis, then a possible Academic point of view is to consider it as a religion. I will go so far as to concede that for those people who hold those beliefs about it, it is a religion to them. I also feel that they and their families and friends need to be educated about the fraudulent aspects of it, for the protection of the general public from the actions of Cult members, mainly OSA operatives and their minions.
Please be patient with us all. Some of us have been more injured by OSA than others here. Keep in mind that you are talking to cult victims and survivors who often do have a rather large personal ax to grind. To them, this discussion is not academic, it is intensely personal! They have a right to their anger and every right to be suspicious of the motives of anyone who "forwards the enemy line", the enemy in this case being OSA operatives. It's also important not to let that shut down the conversation, which is just what OSA wants to have happen! Please try not to take it personally. Keep talking, everybody!
I think it is also important when talking with anyone about Scientology to early take the measure of to what extent their considerations about the subject have been manipulated or influenced by the actions of OSA.
There is an organized effort by COS to influence and involve opinion leaders in all areas of life to be pro-COS, as part of policy, this is why there are Celebrity Centers and all the front groups which work with law enforcement, business and religious leaders and elected officials on various "causes". The main goal and purpose is to make COS seem more acceptable and legitimate in the eyes of the general public and with authorities than it would be without their influence. I think this is in part the process that Arnie is referring to when he brings up the "repeater technique", which I'm sure you are already aware of. Call it a religion often enough and it will be accepted to be so, despite all evidence to the contrary. Seems to have worked for them to a very great extent in this country, which is why some of us insist on calling it a Cult, to counteract that.
There is an old saying on this board that you have not really arrived here until somebody accuses you of being OSA... It does happen to Newbies, it happened to me! So consider it a bit of a rite of passage, and don't take too much umbrage at it. Also I think some members here are rightly probing to understand just what your viewpoints are and how best to enlighten you, if and where it is needed!
I do think that possibly Arnie and others (although I am not speaking for them) might be exasperated with the way that OSA's lies about Scientology have seemingly penetrated Academia, members of the Justice system, law enforcement and our elected officials.
Human trafficking is addressed as being a serious problem which is investigated by all of the above when it comes to sex workers or migrant farm workers or sweat-shop factory workers, but not when it comes to COS Sea Org members. Why? Because they are considered to be "religious" volunteers, not laborers, and so protective labor laws evidently do not apply to them. As if by joining a "religious group" (or Cult) they give up their constitutional or human rights.
Keep in mind that occasionally when we write, we are not only directly addressing a statement by a person on a specific issue, but sometimes we are also addressing the lurkers... all those who are reading here invisibly without joining, including OSA operatives, other former Cult members too intimidated to speak out about what they experienced yet, and the interested general public who may have a friend or loved one "in" the Cult to this day. Also we sometimes address our remarks to those unfamiliar with COS except for the Cult propaganda line about it who may be considering joining up themselves. We write to inform and persuade in addition to continuing the conversational topic. I myself frequently swing for the fences (baseball analogy for our foreign readers, meaning to slightly overreach in an effort to hit a home run out of the ball park) with my posts meant to reach and move the lurkers, in addition to directly communicating with my fellow posters on a thread.
Now guys, Jim asked to see Ron's affirmations...can we oblige him?
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Yes, you can fly, but first you have to break out of that cocoon. You are capable of self rescue at all times. "Every blade of grass has its own special angel watching over it and whispering, 'grow...grow'." -The Talmud "I am still determined to be cheerful and happy, in whatever situation I may be, for I have learned from experience that the greater part of our happiness or misery depends upon our disposition, and not upon our circumstances." -Martha Washington
I have a copy annotated by Ulf Brettstam, a clinical psychiatrist...confirming hubbard as a paranoid schizophrenic...
give me a moment...
you see lermanet got too big for a search engine... there are 15000 files
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"Hater" was the new "SP"
"SP" was the new "1.1"
"1.1" was the new "Communist"
"OSA" was the new "GO"
Etc, etc, etc.......
This is Hubbardism 101. Got a problem because people have caught on to your spinning propaganda lies? No problem, just change the words.
Mark knows better than to call people 1.1 or SP's. Or haters--Indies copyrighted that one.
So let's give Mark credit for at least trying.
It's a shame you blew the whistle on his multicolored "angry" marketing scheme so quickly, he only got about a week's worth of use out of it.
Mark, go back to your Thesaurus. There are plenty of other words you can try.
Scientology literally saved my life! Without Ron's books I would have frozen to death!!! (see avatar)
Scientology in one word? HelluvaHoax!
I never felt as free as when I freed myself from "Total Freedom".
For offended Scientologists reading this blasphemy about L. Ron Hubbard---my apologies for talking about real life without lying to you, like Scientology, with goo-goo theta-talk. I know you don't have a floating needle right now. You're not supposed to.
The Admissions of L Ron Hubbard, evaluated by a Clinical Psychiatrist (In Sweden)
(The commentary is priceless, this is a MUST read document, it is too long to post here, this doc is also linked from her own pages on her Narconon page, Ulf has helped tremendously fighting narconon in sweden feel to quote you favorite excerpts)
There is little question about LRH suffering from paranoic
schizophrenia at the time he wrote the above. Predominant symptoms are
auditive and likely visual hallucinations together with numbed emotions
, suicidal thoughts , extremely low selfworth, impotence , thought
disturbances and problems with articulation and memory. His fatigue and
indolence together with the anhedonia is the typical low energy , low
vigilance and numbed emotions found in the domaine of so called
negative symtoms in this disease . He is fighting a hard battle with
inner psychological conflicts, balancing between the depressed state
with suicidal thoughts and the Godlike, allmighty powerful
"chosen" one with special gifts and blessed with an inner
"Guardian". The Church of Scientology and its methods is merely the
reflection of this seriously sick mans inner world. Constantly on guard
against percieved critique and attacks from the hostile surrounding
environments. Obsessed with money , not only as a mean of survival but
as an instrument of power and evidence of success.
The organization clearly is schizophrenic and paranoid, and this
bizarre combination seems to be a reflection of its founder [L. Ron
Hubbard]. The evidence portrays a man who has been virtually a
pathological liar when it comes to his history, background and
achievements. The writings and documents in evidence additionally
reflect his egoism, greed, avarice, lust for power, and vindictiveness
and aggressiveness against persons perceived by him to be disloyal or
-- Judge Paul G. Breckenridge, Jr., 6/20/84 (Scientology v. Armstrong,
affirmed on appeal 232 Cal.App.3rd 1060, 283 Cal.Rptr. 917.)
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Thanks to Lawrence Brennan for the above quote.Rather the purpose is to make new scientologists.
And that is what they are trying to fool libraries, businesses and schools into helping them do - spread Scientology and make new scientologists.