Just completed the Route 1 processes from the book CHA

[petal]

Hello, All:
Had some good wins from the route one processes from creation of human ability.
I am now doing the route 2 that follows. This good too.
I wondered why these techniques were removed from the bridge. They are described as standard operating procedure?!
I then found the reason it was all dropped in the lecture series the 1st postulate. The processes only worked on 50% of the people it was used on!
I say 50% is a good result and they should not of been dropped.
Any way it is erelavent now as I am now doing them myself.

petal

[Panda Termint]

OK. Don't forget to skip R2-45!

[uniquemand]

Hello, All:
Had some good wins from the route one processes from creation of human ability.
I am now doing the route 2 that follows. This good too.
I wondered why these techniques were removed from the bridge. They are described as standard operating procedure?!
I then found the reason it was all dropped in the lecture series the 1st postulate. The processes only worked on 50% of the people it was used on!
I say 50% is a good result and they should not of been dropped.
Any way it is erelavent now as I am now doing them myself.

petal

Wow, I'd be interested to see the statistical data that was gathered for the public record that shows a 50% success rate (how was that defined?) on Route 1!

Please provide links.

[Gadfly]

Hello, All:
Had some good wins from the route one processes from creation of human ability.
I am now doing the route 2 that follows. This good too.
I wondered why these techniques were removed from the bridge. They are described as standard operating procedure?!
I then found the reason it was all dropped in the lecture series the 1st postulate. The processes only worked on 50% of the people it was used on!
I say 50% is a good result and they should not of been dropped.
Any way it is erelavent now as I am now doing them myself.

petal

The Route 1 processes were used in old OT 4-6.

They were dropped because NOBODY was truly happy with the results. Old OT 4-6 did NOT deliver what was promised. "It didn't work".

I knew a few people who did old OT 4-6, and they were VERY unhappy, and quietly told me that they did NOT get anything at all like what was implied by the exaggerated OT promo.

[SweetnessandLight]

Even if these courses or "processes" did have a 50 % success rate in the past, COS would NOT have wanted to be in a position to refund the money or give free repair auditing to the other 50% for whom the processes failed.

The difference between the promised results in the marketing hype that got customers to buy the course, and the actual results experienced, or therapeutic gains made by those customers was too great.

This was why EVERYTHING in Scientology "technology was constantly changing, shifting, being upgraded or re-written. To keep money coming in to COS for processes that were less than effective and successful for the business clients who experienced them (pre-clears, etc.) The profit motive reigned supreme, above any normal and reasonable consideration of people's well-being or the integrity of the Corporation.

Much of this was done in the name of "research" but it wasn't real research by any academic or scientific standards. It was just called that. More like free-wheeling experimentation on people's minds, for profit. Sadly, the aggregate of all these "processes" did harm lots of people, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. No to mention the external harm to their lives of financial ruin, being separated from families and friends through disconnection or human trafficking, Overwhelming stress from unnatural work goals and pressure to conform and produce (keep your stats up weekly), poor living conditions for staff and SO, lack of medical care, or needed medicine to be "sessionable" etc.

Petal, I'm glad you're just reading and experiencing/experimenting on your own. If a process doesn't work well for you, chances are good that you will be sensible enough to drop it, and go on to something else more useful or productive.

I wish that all of the "technology" of Scientology could be experienced by people in this manner, according to their own choice and free will, and for free.

Maybe then anything really worthwhile that is embedded in there will make it out into the real world and do some good for humanity.

As of now, the aggregate of it all it seems to do far more harm than good in the world, in spite of the good intentions of some of the people who worked on developing it as a body of work.

[Infinite]

The Route 1 processes were used in old OT 4-6.

They were dropped because NOBODY was truly happy with the results. Old OT 4-6 did NOT deliver what was promised. "It didn't work".

I knew a few people who did old OT 4-6, and they were VERY unhappy, and quietly told me that they did NOT get anything at all like what was implied by the exaggerated OT promo.

Love them DOX ; )

Can you please tell me where they came from and the date they were publiished. Many thanks.

I'm still chuckling about a Jesse Prince write up on his experiences on the old OT material:

. . . OT 6 was way different from any other OT level I'd done so far. On this level I was required to lie on a bed with my head pointed magnetic north and meditate until I floated out of my body. Now this is what I came for! I tried doing this over and over. Per the LRH written instruction, I was to leave my body, go to a foreign country and get a stranger to mail me a post card. Once I produced the post card I would be allowed to attest to OT 6 . . .

. . . oh, for the good ole days.

[Helena Handbasket]

Had some good wins from the route one processes from creation of human ability.

I can imagine my doing route 1 in session:

"Be three feet in back of your head."

"How am I supposed to do that?"

BTW, I am certain that I'm a spiritual being, a "something" separate and distinct from my body. It's just that I can't get out.

OK. Don't forget to skip R2-45!

Now THAT'S funny!

Helena

[Veda]

Crowley's most concise explanation of Yoga:

"Sit still. Stop thinking. Shut up. Get out!"

'Batra', etc., was published in Crowley's "The Equinox' in 1913:

http://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/lib536.html

Quoting from John Symonds and Kenneth Grant, who were editors of some of Crowley's writings:

"It ('Batra', etc.) deals with the magical practice of expanding consciousness to the stars and the planets. The word 'Batrachophrenoboocosmomachia' is made up of the Greek words for Frog Mind Ox World Battle, and is a play on the title of the Homeric mock epic, the 'Batrachophrenoboocosmomachia' or 'Battle of the Frogs and Mice'. The idea behind the use of this barbarous name, 'Batra', etc. - that is, in pronunciation or vibration - is that it is supposed to create a sense of vertigo in which the mind is freed from its ordinary bounds. Consciousness - so the theory goes - is exalted to infinity by this method."

Warning: The "sense of vertigo" http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vertigo can also make the person vulnerable to manipulation, and more easily influenced and controllable.

Was Hubbard inducing a sense of "vertigo" with the "Be three feet back of your head" command?

Interesting isn't it?

'Batra' includes spanning attention, visualization (mock ups), specialized mock ups where a person attempts to place a mock up of the same size etc. as a physical object in the same space as the physical object, and projection of consciousness through the solar system.

It even warns about avoiding what amounts to "overrun."

(Note: "Nuit" - as used in the top link - denotes "Infinity.")

Is permeating, as in filling/feeling ("Havingness") the heliosphere (solar aura) an interesting exercise?, or is it entirely imagination?

Handy navigational aid: http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/...lar-terms.html

The solar system does have its own atmosphere, of sort, and there would seem to be many interacting atmospheres. IMO, it would be beneficial to the human psyche to begin to see the solar system, and its atmosphere, as the immediate environment, rather than just the thin film of livable atmosphere of several miles in which we as human beings dwell.







One aspect of the solar system's atmosphere, which anyone can perceive from Earth, is that bright stars (being outside the solar atmosphere) become invisible at dawn and at dusk, while the planets (Mercury [sometimes], Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn), while less bright than the brightest stars, remain visible.

This is an effect worth observing, as it brings home the existence of the solar atmosphere. The planets, being inside that atmosphere are perceivable while the stars outside are not.

Strangely enough, people seem to have their own atmospheres - chakras and auras and such:

http://www.the-auras-expert.com/imag...nd-chakras.jpg
http://realpowercoaching.com/images/Aura_Chakra.jpg
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-imag..._fri_seven.jpg
http://www.egos.co.za/ProdImages/aura-chakra.jpg

[Dulloldfart]

Love them DOX ; )

Can you please tell me where they came from and the date they were publiished. Many thanks.

I remember those. They were pretty little booklets published in the late 70s. They contained more information about those "exciting" OT levels than other available promo, which is why I liked them at the time.

Paul

[uniquemand]

I can imagine my doing route 1 in session:

"Be three feet in back of your head."

"How am I supposed to do that?"

BTW, I am certain that I'm a spiritual being, a "something" separate and distinct from my body. It's just that I can't get out.


Now THAT'S funny!

Helena

Getting "out" makes about as much sense, presently, as it would to talk about a program running without any computational substrate.

IMO, consciousness is an input/output function.

http://www.kurzweilai.net/a-universe...plicating-code