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    Quote Originally Posted by RogerB View Post
    Ya, this is valid. On the website at the links in the email I posted, the claim by his adherents is that "when the C-Scans were done from a different direction the rings were still apparent, thus ruling them out as mechanical artifacts."

    I'd love to be able to get at the raw data . . . then one can do a correct analysis.
    Indeed. I would be interested in seeing some of the actual data. Given how common ring artefact is, I don't buy that they have ruled out anything.

    Additionally, I would presume that, according to his theory, these concentric rings around the trauma would actually be concentric spheres. Honestly, the converse, that the rings are on a single plane that just happens to coincide perfectly with the axis of the CT acquisition is laughable, so I'll assume he isn't saying that.

    Now CT acquisitions do not give you a single image. They give you a set of slices of anatomy that you can stack back together to get a volumetric representation. CT images can be thought of as slices in a loaf of bread.

    Therefore, if we looked at the slices adjacent to the one presented we would expect to see smaller sets of nested concentric rings. Looking at the next set of adjacent slices you would see smaller rings.

    Ring artefact would not be likely to behave this way so this would be a better means of ruling it out. The fact that they don't make this argument makes me think that he has no radiologists or neurologists in his camp. If a specialist who actually knows how to read CT saw that image they would immediately want to look at the adjacent slices to see how the structure changes between them.

    Additionally, because the CT scan gives you a volume you can use commonly available software to create new planes centred on the area of interest but differently aligned. If you took a coronal or sagittal plane centred on the trauma you would presumably see the same ring pattern present. Again, the fact that they don't use this as evidence is telling.

    Also, in a CT scan, brightness is related to tissue density. If the rings were real, they would mean that the trauma is lowering the density of the surrounding tissue, but only in perfectly concentric rings centred on the trauma. I don't see any attempted physiological explanation for what is happening in the brain tissue here but it seems far fetched.

    Finally, the odds of getting any kind of perfectly circular structure like that on a single CT slice are really low. Based on the date, I assume the scanner they are using has a single detector. The scan is performed by rotating it around a moving gantry, giving you a spiral of data. Each slice represents the averaging of the data within a certain range. For 1989, 8mm is probably likely.

    So even if you had these perfectly circular structures in the first place, they would not likely look perfectly circular in any given CT slice. Even man-made things that are circular (like inserted tubes) look a little fuzzy in a CT scan.

    I note that he has a document claiming to be from Siemens ruling out ring artefact. However, it has illegible signatures and no printed names. Additionally, it only lists criteria that could be used to rule out ring artefact but does not even remotely indicate that this has been done. Nor is there indication anywhere else that it has been done in any systematic way.

    I have some contacts in Siemens Medical. I should check with them on this.

    Update: I found what claims to be a paper from Dr. Hamer explaining the Siemens thing. He confirms that Siemens only established criteria for ruling out ring artefact. He says they were supposed to work with him on tests but cancelled under pressure from their radiologists.
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    I've read about this guy. Not extensively, I have to admit. But I was not impressed.

    His basic assumption is that disease is caused by bad experiences. (Sound familiar?) But he discourages the use of any medical treatment whatsoever. Even if he can heal psychosomatic trauma, it would take too long to handle the disease -- the patient would die first!

    Any illness that does have a psychosomatic component needs to have that trauma resolved -- or better yet, remove that trauma BEFORE illness occurs. But medical treatment (hopefully not allopathic) still has a use.

    CBR had a tumour on the side of his neck. He tried to fix it with advanced auditing techniques, most of which he invented himself. But he died in 1991. Perhaps he would be alive today if he had it removed.

    They were right to stop Dr. Hamer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RogerB View Post
    Ya, this is valid. On the website at the links in the email I posted, the claim by his adherents is that "when the C-Scans were done from a different direction the rings were still apparent, thus ruling them out as mechanical artifacts."
    In 1980 something, a fellow who had no peers in the field of Radiology, and one time Nobel Judge, Bjorn Nordinstrom, and the head of Radiology at the top swedish something-or-other.. noted circular artifacts in X-ray images of lung tumors in dogs. These were accepted as "artifacts"... but Dr Nordenstrom was not so sure. So he froze and sliced up the tissue and looked at the locations for these 'rings', with and electron microscope and was astounded to find deposits of tiny crystals of apatite (the rock) much like tooth enamel, consisting of a calicium magnesium precipitate...

    He later probed living tissue from dog tumors with insulated acupuncture needles, so only the tip was exposed. and found that localized tumors in dog lung, had an opposite electrical charge to than of the surrounding tissue!!... And the calcium magnesium deposits that showed up on x-rays (from all angles...) were caused by the difference in electrical potential, generated by the localized tumor... He opined that this caused the body's immune system to 'not see' nor attack, the tumor!, so he then tested this idea by applying just enough DC current, in the micro-amperes range to the tumor to cancel its self generated electric charge... and then found the tumors would reduce and soon vanish. see "BCEC Systems, Biologically Closed circuits in the Human body" he believed his discovery might revolutionize western medicine...

    Dr Nordenstrom's tome was brought to me by that a local Dr who had had a previous, unpleasant, run in with scientology, to be translated by me from electronics and medical lingo into english; The Dr, who had read about the raid etc in the Wash post and had contacted me, so he might understand it. and after doing so he gave me this heavy black book. It was my digesting of Nordenstrom that brought me to a AHA! moment, regarding the E-meter and induced Endorphins contributing to the auditing experience. See this post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lermanet_com View Post
    In 1980 something, a fellow who had no peers in the field of Radiology, and one time Nobel Judge, Bjorn Nordinstrom, and the head of Radiology at the top swedish something-or-other.. noted circular artifacts in X-ray images of lung tumors in dogs. These were accepted as "artifacts"... but Dr Nordenstrom was not so sure. So he froze and sliced up the tissue and looked at the locations for these 'rings', with and electron microscope and was astounded to find deposits of tiny crystals of apatite (the rock) much like tooth enamel, consisting of a calicium magnesium precipitate...

    He later probed living tissue from dog tumors with insulated acupuncture needles, so only the tip was exposed. and found that localized tumors in dog lung, had an opposite electrical charge to than of the surrounding tissue!!... And the calcium magnesium deposits that showed up on x-rays (from all angles...) were caused by the difference in electrical potential, generated by the localized tumor... He opined that this caused the body's immune system to 'not see' nor attack, the tumor!, so he then tested this idea by applying just enough DC current, in the micro-amperes range to the tumor to cancel its self generated electric charge... and then found the tumors would reduce and soon vanish. see "BCEC Systems, Biologically Closed circuits in the Human body" he believed his discovery might revolutionize western medicine...

    Dr Nordenstrom's tome was brought to me by that a local Dr who had had a previous, unpleasant, run in with scientology, to be translated by me from electronics and medical lingo into english; The Dr, who had read about the raid etc in the Wash post and had contacted me, so he might understand it. and after doing so he gave me this heavy black book. It was my digesting of Nordenstrom that brought me to a AHA! moment, regarding the E-meter and induced Endorphins contributing to the auditing experience. See this post
    That's way interesting Arnie . . . .

    AS SpecialFrog notes in his very cool and correct post above, one should be able to get a very good take on WTF by viewing the "slices" of a C-Scan. I've personally viewed these of my own head/jaw with my dental surgeon. But not having this info of "rings" I didn't look for them.

    After reading your piece Arnie, it begins to make me think that if radiologists are operating from with the limited think or paradigm that it is only "artifacts" then that will be their conclusion.

    The converse of that is what your guy did . . . he actually looked to investigate and see what the hell else is or could be going on here. And lo and behold he finds there is a physical condition present.

    And even more important, he finds that the physical condition present is of a reverse electrical charge/polarity feature.

    This reversed electrical charge cum polarity thing is consistent with what Johanna Budwig, and also my old friend Jim Sheridan found in cancer types situations.

    Budwig wrote a book titled "The Photo-Elements of Life," among other books. The thing she wrote on, and it was her rather important discovery, is that the essential fatty-acids (in the skin/body) when subject to sunlight allow the electron transfer excited or caused by the sunlight photons. Indeed, these essential fatty acids facilitate correct electron transfer throughout the bodily system . . . and when this feature goes awry, as in when the body is subject to trans-fats or is deficient in essential fatty acids, you end up with cancers.

    One can google Budwig and learn all about her cancer treatment protocol.

    Sheridan was able to demonstrate that the electrons produced in cancer cells, due to the cancer cell only producing energy via anaerobic metabolism instead of the normal aerobic metabolism, was of a lower energy level than normal.

    In advanced chemistry, the scientists view different elements on the Periodic Scale as being either "positively charged" or "negatively charged" (some neutral) . . . the relevance of this is that . . . depending on the energy level of the electrons being produced in the system is determined what molecular/chemical compounds are produced from the mix of available elements. This explained by the Debye theory which, among other things, showed different heat states/levels facilitated different chemical combinations of the same array of elements.

    In my own personal observations, handling spiritual shocks (in self and for others) one finds spiritual shocks to be experienced as a collapse in, in a concentric, holographic manner. That is, all spiritual presence, along one's spiritual life-force and envisionment of future is collapsed in to a central dot (upon the body or within the body).

    Indeed, the actual condition one is suffering spiritually when suffering from a shock is most often that of a reversal of vector/polarity of spiritual life-force. The vector is in instead of being projected and emanated out at where one in creating one's wants and future. (Though in some shocks, folks can disperse away . . . but this too affects the polarity of their spiritual life-force.)

    For me, it is quite fascinating to be aligning and putting these various and related bits and pieces together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dulloldfart View Post
    Does that mean that I would reduce my susceptibility to cancer if I became uncooperative, assertive, impatient, highly expressive of negative emotions and railed against all external authorities?
    Yes. You'll notice I don't have cancer.
    We're all against CofS. That is really anyone needs to know or keep in mind about the other forum regulars here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RogerB View Post
    After reading your piece Arnie, it begins to make me think that if radiologists are operating from with the limited think or paradigm that it is only "artifacts" then that will be their conclusion.
    I still think that in this particular image it is most certainly artefact, for the reasons I expressed. Given the CT processing technique, such a set of perfect circles would not likely be preserved by the CT reconstruction.

    That isn't to say that other rings exist in some other studies and are dismissed as artefact, but having spent a fair amount of time with radiologists and imaging scientists I am unconvinced that they are bogged down by conventional thinking in this area.

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