He makes me feel physically ill

[Veda]

Here is Clearbird's version, but something tells me these aren't the woids you are looking for.

Paul

It's in the ball part, but this List would focus on the area of LRH.

For example, upon hearing the origination, "He makes me feel physically ill," one would need to identify and properly word the specific sensation, ache, or pain, or other somatic, of "physically ill." The next step would involve isolating possible causes for this, from Overts to unhandled NOTs case, variable only on the person's position on the Grade Chart. Clears, of course, would not receive any Dianetics; those not yet through the first Wall of Fire, would not receive any BT handling, etc.

"The bile rose in my throat," would be handled in a similar fashion.

And there's a long formal assessment list of items, such as, "revolting," "repulsive," etc.

A handy plastic carrying case for this list, and related lists, would be available.

It's actually very timely that this subject has been brought up, since the matter of people - usually those at lower awareness levels - literalizing L. Ron Hubbard, and thus coming to a similar conclusion as did Wog Judge Paul Breckenridge, years ago, at the Armstrong vs Church of Scientology court case, when Judge Breckenridge described LRH as a "pathological liar," etc., and all of this was due to the literalizing of L. Ron Hubbard. For example, when LRH briefed Scientologists on his 2nd wife being the Russian spy, Sara Komkovadamanov, this was misconstrued by those at lower awareness levels, who literalize L. Ron Hubbard, to mean that his 2nd wife was actually named Sara Komkovadamanov. This resulted in some of these Scientologists later besmirching the good name of L. Ron Hubbard, and thinking that L. Ron Hubbard was such things as a liar and a nut - which, of course, we know is not so. LRH is not a liar and a nut. Similarly, when LRH referred to himself as a nuclear physicist,



those, at lower awareness levels, literalized L. Ron Hubbard and misconstrued that LRH was saying that he was a nuclear physicist.

Fortunately, there are correction lists to address all of these areas.

[BunnySkull]

This has been one of the major things I've always wondered about.

I've never understood how anyone could walk into an Org and wonder why on earth they would put photos and statues of such a repulsive, vain, sloth like goon.

Usually when a cult has a unusually repulsive prophet or leader, they are not real big on photographs or statues - in fact its a less is more situation. They let people "imagine" the leader more than they ever showcase him publicly. When they are depicted its usually via a painting or illustration, any "real" photographs are few, highly stage manged to be flattering and tightly controlled.

It is one of the amazing things about Scientology, that they have some how convinced all these people to mindlessly listen to and follow probably one of the foulest looking figureheads in modern times. I'm sure the only reason LRH's mug is everywhere in CoS is because he wanted it that way because he was insanely vain to beat all.

BTW: I don't mean just that LRH is "ugly" in the physical sense -- there are people I've seen who by regular standards would be considered physically "ugly," but somehow via their good work and spirit they become beautiful. Ghandi might be a good example, not a handsome man, but his spirit shines through even in photos and there is a deep sense of beauty that shines through. Same goes for several historical civil rights and union leaders I admire greatly.

However, its like the opposite can also occur when someone's is greedy, malevolent and power hungry.

The fact that LRH was unbelievably physically ugly and he had a repulsive personality, makes him a double whammy. Ugly on the outside and hideous on the inside. Probably why his photo garners that reaction in so many, and esp. in the Exes who had to get to know the inner workings of his mind and beliefs only too well. It's amazing more don't get physically ill at the mere sight of his ugly mug.

[GoNuclear]

It's in the ball part, but this List would focus on the area of LRH.

For example, upon hearing the origination, "He makes me feel physically ill," one would need to identify and properly word the specific sensation, ache, or pain, or other somatic, of "physically ill." The next step would involve isolating possible causes for this, from Overts to unhandled NOTs case, variable only on the person's position on the Grade Chart. Clears, of course, would not receive any Dianetics; those not yet through the first Wall of Fire, would not receive any BT handling, etc.

"The bile rose in my throat," would be handled in a similar fashion.

And there's a long formal assessment list of items, such as, "revolting," "repulsive," etc.

A handy plastic carrying case for this list, and related lists, would be available.

It's actually very timely that this subject has been brought up, since the matter of people - usually those at lower awareness levels - literalizing L. Ron Hubbard, and thus coming to a similar conclusion as did Wog Judge Paul Breckenridge, years ago, at the Armstrong vs Church of Scientology court case, when Judge Breckenridge described LRH as a "pathological liar," etc., and all of this was due to the literalizing of L. Ron Hubbard. For example, when LRH briefed Scientologists on his 2nd wife being the Russian spy, Sara Komkovadamanov, this was misconstrued by those at lower awareness levels, who literalize L. Ron Hubbard, to mean that his 2nd wife was actually named Sara Komkovadamanov. This resulted in some of these Scientologists later besmirching the good name of L. Ron Hubbard, and thinking that L. Ron Hubbard was such things as a liar and a nut - which, of course, we know is not so. LRH is not a liar and a nut. Similarly, when LRH referred to himself as a nuclear physicist,



those, at lower awareness levels, literalized L. Ron Hubbard and misconstrued that LRH was saying that he was a nuclear physicist.

Fortunately, there are correction lists to address all of these areas.

What do you mean by literalizing the HubTurd? Would that mean taking him at his word?

Perhaps we should let the HubTurd off the hook for being a pathological lying sack of shit. After all, we do the same for politicians. Perhaps it is too harsh to call the HubTurd a liar. Perhaps we should just say that he was Nixonating or Obamanating when he was embelishing his accomplishments. And for you ladies out there that were intimate with the HubTurd, he was just Clintonizing when he promised not to shpritz all over your dress.

Pete

[anonomog]

Thank God you brought it up Emma.
I didn't want to mention anything and be the rude anon and all...

BUT Jeez...
That man has no redeeming features. None. Zip. Nada.
I wondered if I was just being shallow...

Those pictures are really only useful to cure hiccups.
Hic..Hic...Hooray.

[RogerB]

Jezzuzz, Veda, I sit here scratching my head that I got taken in my the magnitude of his lies . . . .

Knowing the truth of the arsehole, the phony PhD, the facts of his academic failure as revealed in that clip you put up, the facts of his "war record" . . . . and then hearing his lies on that tape!!!

Gawd, it makes me sick that he could be, yet was, so bold faced a liar.

Quite amazing. Quite sickening.

I vaguely remember that tape, from ages ago . . . and thought it entertaining then . . . but to hear it now in the context of the truth of the animal, I just fill with disgust for the individual.

R

[Veda]

What do you mean by literalizing the HubTurd? Would that mean taking him at his word?

-snip-

That's right.

It works like this: If it sounds really dumb or crazy, or is exposed as a lie, in front of any particular person or "public," not dumb or gullible enough to believe it, then, immediately, claim that it - whatever it was - is a metaphor, an allegory, a joke, a symbolic representation used as a teaching aid, etc. If this doesn't work, claim it was taken out of context, or that the complaining or ridiculing person or "public" are literal-minded, etc.

The issue of the "literalizing of L. Ron Hubbard" was re-introduced, recently, by Marty Rathbun. Perhaps you missed the two threads addressing that.

This is just a more gentle fashion - a "lower gradient" - of saying there's something really wrong with the "antagonistic" person or "public."

It's a form of bullshitting which is used to cover an earlier bullshitting. It's actually pretty "workable," in that a fair number of people seem to fall for it, which means, incidentally, that it's likely to continue.

This is strictly a "handling" of those at "lower awareness levels." An example of this would be a Scientology "OT" telling a ridiculing or "nattering" "Wog" - who has just seen the South Park episode exposing OT 3 - that "it's only fantasy." This, of course, would be an example of following Hubbard's instructions on dealing with "Homo Saps" - instructions that dates back to 1952, and were included in the book, 'History of Man'.

These are old "handlings."

For example, this is what David Gaiman, then Public Relations Director for Scientology in England, told Paulette Cooper, in 1971, when asked about the billion year Sea Org contract:

From question/answer #19, in the 'Appendix' of Cooper's book:

19. (from Cooper) "DO THE SEA ORG PEOPLE SIGN A BILLION YEAR CONTRACT?"

(From Gaiman) "Never make an allegoric joke near literal minded humorless reporters."

Not surprisingly, it does appear that Rathbun regards the findings of the Armstrong vs Church of Scientology court case, as being problematic. Something to be overcome, and discredited.

Excerpts from the 20 June 1984 findings of Judge Breckenridge:

"As indicated by its factual findings, the court finds the testimony of Gerald and Joycelyn Armstrong, Laurel Sullivan, Nancy Dincalcis, Edward Walters, Omar Garrison, Kima Douglas, and Howard Schomer to be credible, extremely persuasive... In all critical and important matters their testimony was precise, accurate and rang true...

"Each has broken with the movement for a variety of reasons, but at the same time, each is still bound by the knowledge that the Church has in its possession his or her own most inner thoughts and confessions, all recorded in 'pre-clear' folders, or other security files of the organization, and that the Church or its minions is fully capable of physical intimidation, or other physical or psychological abuse if it suits their ends. The record is replete with evidence of such abuse.

"In addition to violating and abusing its own members' civil rights, the organization over the years with its 'Fair Game' doctrine has harassed and abused those persons not in the Church whom it perceives as enemies.

"The organization clearly is schizophrenic and paranoid, and this bizarre combination seems to be a reflection of its founder LRH. The evidence portrays a man who has been virtually a pathological liar when it comes to his history, background and achievements.

"The writings and documents in evidence additionally reflect his egotism, greed, avarice, lust for power, and vindictiveness and aggressiveness against persons perceived by him to be disloyal or hostile.

"At the same time it appears that he is charismatic and highly capable of motivating, organizing, controlling, manipulating, and inspiring his adherents...

"Obviously, he is and was a very complex person, and that complexity is further reflected in his alter-ego, the Church of Scientology. Notwithstanding protestations to the contrary, this court is satisfied that LRH runs the Church in all ways, through the Sea Organization, his role as Commodore, and the Commodore's Messengers.

"He has, of course, chosen to go into 'seclusion', but he maintains contact and control through his top messengers.

"Seclusion has its light and dark side too. It adds to his mystique, and yet shields him from accountability and subpoena and service of summons.

"LRH's wife, Mary Sue Hubbard, is also a plaintiff herein. On the one hand she certainly appeared to be a pathetic individual. She was forced from her post as Controller, convicted and imprisoned as a felon, and deserted by her husband."

From 1985, discussing the Judge Breckenridge findings, and featuring ex-official biographer Omar Garrison, CofS PR person Heber Jentzsch, and Scientology attorney Earl Cooley:




So nothing much has changed.

'Ode to L. Ron Hubbard' by Marty Rathbun

You said your legacy would be the tech
but the dictator said otherwise
and the church began its demise
and hurt came to those who would object

You said there was no hidden data line
but the dictator said he knew better
and burned all of your policy letters
and the church went into long term decline

You said the tech was timeless and free
but the dictator wanted power and cash
and made your truth a confusing hash
and status and greed replaced the state of OT

You acknowledged the loyalty of your gracious wife
but the dictator used her as a stepping stone
and she died forgotten, friendless and alone
and thus he erased your dear Manuela from your life

You raised three fine children and one who died too soon
but the dictator wanted them forgotten too
and your progeny turned from sunshine to blue
and the many who loved you wept under a sorrowful moon

You had faith that your friends would make it come out right
but the dictator mis-used your treasure to enervate them
and black dianetics, reverse scientology internecine mayhem
and with violence did he destroy their willingness to fight

You said only truth could penetrate thick armor plate
and though the dictator protested this fact
it was your ace in the hole that has our back
and everyday now more are working to reverse your fate

And alas, it may take time and a perilous struggle
but we assure you it is too late to reverse our tide
you’ve got friends to the end of time on your side
and come hell or high water we’ll emerge from this jungle

Because we know you were right that the truth shall set us free
and that is one thing no dictator will ever take away
it will be your real friends standing at the end of day
humanity freed, the only proper acknowledgment of thee

Now, enough with this thread derail. Back to the topic!

[Lurker5]

He always grossed me out too. Ick. What a horridly ugly man - and I could never understand why everyone was so enamored of this creep.

To me, people come to look like their spouse, or their dog - the ones they love, they start to look like the ones they love. And/or - one's personality and beingness begin to show in photos. Ever notice that? Someone who thinks they are ugly, starts to look ugly in photos. But if that person gets some help on self-esteem, they begin to look better and more attractive. Ever notice that?


Looking at photos of tubbard always made - and still makes - the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Evil intent. All over his beingness . . .

[GoNuclear]

That's right.

It works like this: If it sounds really dumb or crazy, or is exposed as a lie, in front of any particular person or "public," not dumb or gullible enough to believe it, then, immediately, claim that it - whatever it was - is a metaphor, an allegory, a joke, a symbolic representation used as a teaching aid, etc. If this doesn't work, claim it was taken out of context, or that the complaining or ridiculing person or "public" are literal-minded, etc.

The issue of the "literalizing of L. Ron Hubbard" was re-introduced, recently, by Marty Rathbun. Perhaps you missed the two threads addressing that.

The bottom line ... the HubTurd sold us a so-called "bridge" that would get us to oatee, where we we would be able to operate exterior to the body, where we would be able to go exterior to the physical universe, where we would be free from overwhelm, where we would be able to project intention, and lots of other kewl stuff. The HubTurd promised those abilities, if we simply paid the bridge toll and engaged in a course of auditing and study. I guess we literalized that as well. I suppose that I should have read between the lines, and, known that when the HubTurd was promising all those oatee abilities what he really meant was just "gimme your phuggen money and you will go bankrupt, wind up living on the street, and have no special abilities."

Sorry, but the HubTurd WANTED to be taken literally. He WANTED people to take his bio/resume literally so we would take his bridge promises literally so that he could figuratively take us to the cleaners ... that is, literally take all our money or at least as much as we would fork over before realizing it was a game and cutting our losses.

So here's a literal hymn to the HubTurd ...

Hymn,
Hymn,
Hymn ... phug him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Pete

[HelluvaHoax!]

Unfortunately, I don't have a copy handy. Perhaps one of our resident Class VIs, such as HelluvaHoax, has a copy.

I do happen to have the only remaining copy of the Brown Form 40 For Resistive Cases, which removes the final barrier to OT, allowing the being to fully connect to Source self-portraits without dramatizing natter, revulsion, evil purposes and/or suicidal ideation.

Unfortunately, my copy is temporarily out on loan to a scholarly think tank called The United Churches of Texas, headed by a Professor M. Rathbun. They have reportedly found this an invaluable tool to detecting and terminatedly handling unresolved case BPC (Besmirchment Passed Charge).

[Claire Swazey]

He doesn't make me feel that way, but there are things about the Scn milieu, organization and some of the written/taped material that do. I also think that it's very normal, natural and completely ok (not that anyone needs my approval. They surely don't!) to feel that way.

The organization has brought a lot of heartache to a lot of people. And, in large part, that is due to many written policies and also due to certain actions taken by Hubbard.

I don't know the percentage, but the vast majority of people who join CofS leave, and of those, almost all of them leave because things were really bad. I mean, a few here and there drift away, but mostly, people leave because they were enslaved on staff, the cult interfered with their families, the cult ripped them off financially.

Given this large majority, there is no way you aren't going to see lots of ex members feeling this way about Hubbard.

It comes from anger and that anger proceeds from having experienced and witnessed events that no one should ever have to put up with from people who claim to be able to make you happy.

It's not just that they don't deliver, they aren't effective- it's more that they do the opposite. They say duress is bad. Then staff experiences duress. Lots and lots. They say not to arrange loans, solicit credit card purchases and draws, then they do just that. They say to mend fences with families. Then they drive families apart. They say that if someone wants to leave staff, let him leave (though I still dislike that PL because they want you on a routing form to leave and why should anyone have to ask permission to leave? That's just plain wrong.) then they expell, imprison, scream and yell- they do everything they can to screw anyone over who tries to leave, especially if the person's on staff.

They promise happiness and they not only don't deliver it, but they make people unhappy. And it's not one of these, oh, gee, it wasn't for him and he's still unhappy after getting all that auditing type things. No, the organization mistreats people and does things that cannot do otherwise than to confer unhappiness and despair.

Although I personally think DM is worse and that he took the ball and ran with it, as the saying goes, still, the really abusive stuff was set in motion by Hubbard. The RPF wasn't set up and ok'd by DM. It was Hubbard's plan to have it. Same with free loader debts, disconnection, and other things.

So while I may not have the same identical visceral reaction- I am guessing that many people would. And although the nausea isn't there, I do feel anger.

I guess what pisses me off the most about LRH is that he was irresponsible. That sounds like I'm minimizing, but I'm not. I mean, he did stuff - really egregious stuff- and did not take responsibility for his actions and for the results and how people felt and what they experienced.