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    I wonder if anyone has any information on the Alternative to Meds center in Sedona. It is recommended by the DVD "Dead Wrong" which is touted by the CCHR. I'm trying to determine if it is a SCN front as I have a family member who may go there for prescription med treatment.

    I'm not an ex SCN, but I have family members who have married into the group. (I thought of the group as a religiib...of sorts until I read Janet Reitman's terrific book.)

    Many thanks!

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    I wonder if anyone has any information on the Alternative to Meds center in Sedona. It is recommended by the DVD "Dead Wrong" which is touted by the CCHR. I'm trying to determine if it is a SCN front as I have a family member who may go there for prescription med treatment.

    I'm not an ex SCN, but I have family members who have married into the group. (I thought of the group as a religiib...of sorts until I read Janet Reitman's terrific book.)

    Many thanks!

    --cricket
    Sedona! Thank you for providing the name of this place, as I have heard quite a bit about it directly from Scientologists who had cancer.

    When you get more information, can you include it?

    When I was at AOLA in the 1980s, I knew of several people who went to Sedona because it advertised it could "cure cancer".

    They were not cured. All died.

    Their names are not included in the "Why are they Dead?" list and they need to be included.

    Sedona needs to be investigated. It is a scam that takes advantage of desperate people and denies them proper medical care that COULD save their lives.

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    ".....ATMC uses the sauna detox program and the Life Skills texts and classes of the Narconon Program aka The New Life Detox program aka the Purification Program. To do so, they pay license fees to ABLE, Int. Previous to their current location, Lyle Murphy worked alongside and with Richard Prescott and Jim Steiner ( both ........."
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    Quote from Mary Mcconnell: http://forum.reachingforthetippingpo...?topic=3257.20
    "....FYI, readers, ATMC is similar to what Hayes, et al, are doing, except Lyle Murphy adds his food theory to the program and he is not a scientologist - he's what Scns call an 'illegal PC' because of his psych history- they don't want him. He contracted with ABLE on the Clear Mind Clear Body and other Narconon related materials previously when he was in SF. Yes, his program is dangerous..."

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    I have no idea if ATMC is a front group, but Sedona, Arizona has a reputation for being the sort of place where alternative therapies can be found. And it would be just like scn to set up a group there, to take advantage of Sedona's name.

    I'm a firm believer in "alternative" medical treatment. Standard medicine, called allopathy, is often no more than a speedy road to a comfortable death (alleviating symptoms while doing nothing to cure the underlying disease, or making it worse).

    Every now and then you hear about somebody dying in an alternative medicine environment, and the authorities coming down on them saying, if only the person went to a "real doctor" instead, they may still be alive. Yet how many people die each year under the care of "real doctors"? The stats (forgive the use of that word) are not in their favour.

    Very often, people seek alternative treatment after "regular" medicine has failed. This means they show up at the alternative centre practically at death's door. If I were running such a centre, I wouldn't accept anyone who was so far gone. Yet these places do, and many achieve full recoveries.

    I'm into alternatives myself, taking everything from vitamins to B12 injections to HRT. (One of these days, I'm even going to start exercising again! )

    Helena

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    I am not a Scientologist, and ATMC is not in any way associated with, or endorsed by, the Church of Scientology, or its teachings.

    ATMC is licensed by the State of Arizona Department of Health Services Office of Behavioral Health. The State requires us to provide counseling by licensed therapists and mental health treatment. It is my understanding that many of the treatments offered, and principles behind the treatments, would conflict with Scientology.

    I hold a post-doctorate in Environmental Medicine, which allows me to deeply understand detox regimens, and I have personally designed the Alternative to Meds program which is based solely upon the principles of my education. My program is not a Hubbard Purification Model.

    By way of history, I myself had a disabling breakdown about 15 years ago, which was later found to be the result of a low blood sugar condition. It resulted in a coma, and left me impaired with stroke-like symptoms, which to some degree limited me. For 10 years I worked with natural methods to heal myself and was successful in this.

    In about 2006, I was briefly hired as an independent consultant for the New Life Center in San Francisco. New Life was a Criminon (scientology based) program, and I was hired to give advice on how to help persons come off of medications so they could go on from there and do the Criminon program. I was very interested in this because of my own history, and it was the only place that I could find at that time and in that area even trying to help persons heal as I had.

    I did some good things there, and the courses they did for persons looked very interesting and their participants seemed to enjoy it. However those brought in to do the Criminon program who were still on medications were often found not stable enough to be successful in the Criminon program. I did not meet with the volume of success that I desired, as I they did not have the resources or any professional staff there to help them as I wanted to.

    So, as my main goal was solely to help people come off their medications safely, I decided I would be more effective in this if I formed my own group of licensed professionals and holistic practitioners to focus on this goal in a clinical setting.
    With the limited funds I had, I procured a clinical space, hired the staff that was needed and the Alternative to Meds Center was born, and over seven years we have now grown into a 45 person staff with a full clinical team of licensed professionals and have had over 1200 persons come through the program.

    ATMC has never used a Hubbard sauna purification program, as it is not designed for medication withdrawal, and furthermore we would be in violation of copyright laws if we did as we have never been, nor sought to be, licensed with ABLE. Our detox methods include chelation, colonics, sauna, mineral baths, IV’s, footbaths and nutritional therapy—all of which are modalities typical to naturopathic and environmental medicine.

    I do believe that we, as a society, are being overmedicated by psychiatry. That does not make me a scientologist. Similarly, I think people watch too much TV, but that does not make me Amish. I choose to be unattached to any religious or philosophical paradigm whatsoever.

    Any questions should be directed to the Center. I am happy to speak with anyone interested in these topics, and believe a very short conversation with me will quell any notion that I am a scientologist.

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    http://www.wireservice.ca/index.php?...play&sid=14050




    Published December 21, 2014: Audio recording of 22 minute call [Edited to 5.44 Minutes] between patient and Addiction Referral Specialist sent to David Love with recording edited to protect identity of caller. Specialist badgers patient and claims she is a victim of Psychiatry. Patient was referred to Alternative to Meds Center - recommended by the DVD "Dead Wrong" which is touted by Scientology's CCHR. The center uses the sauna detox program and the Life Skills texts and classes of the Narconon Program aka "The New Life Detox program aka the Purification Program." They pay license fees to Scientology's ABLE International.




    http://www.wireservice.ca/index.php?...play&sid=14050

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    Oh, I see Lyle Murphy posted here!

    When Alternative to Meds Center (ATMC) was in CA, before they were forced to move out to Sedona AZ :

    Nutritional Detox Facility Gets Walloped
    By Anrica DebPosted April 10, 2009 7:54 pm

    By ANRICA DEB
    Commissioners called Alternative to Meds Center’s request “problematic” and “disturbing” during a Thursday planning commission meeting and refused to give the business a permit for its Guerrero Street facility.

    The facility’s owner, Lyle Earl Murphy, who trained as a chiropractor, formed the company at the end of 2007 and moved it to a large Victorian at 827 Guerrero St. in July 2008. His clients pay around $16,000 for their first month’s stay and less for subsequent months.

    In exchange, Murphy and his associates help them “taper” off their drug dependencies using nontraditional detox services. [..]

    Dozens of Mission residents came to city hall to stop the self-described “health rehabilitation center”’ from getting a permit to board its clients.

    Neighbors complained of Alternative to Meds Center’s changing stories and asked the city’s planning commission to deny a request for a conditional-use permit under a code that covers group housing and boarding facilities. The code does not apply to medical facilities, which have more stringent requirements.

    Murphy fared poorly under scrutiny from the commissioners, who were annoyed with the center’s behavior during the application process.

    Commissioners were irritated that Alternative to Meds Center had used copyrighted architects’ plans—drawn for a previous owner—to submit their request.

    “What’s even more disturbing is a second set of plans with changed dates,” added Commissioner William Lee about the re-use of plans. “That doesn’t settle well with me.”

    Neighbors like Elizabeth Zitrin said they were most concerned about the safety of those accessing Murphy’s services.

    “To have unregulated, unaudited and unmonitored treatment of people who are being withdrawn from psychoactive treatment is dangerous,” Zitrin said. “It’s dangerous to the public as consumers of these services.”

    At least one client has hurt himself. Neighbors said there were at least three attempted suicides at the center, but Murphy said there has been just one, when a man cut up his arms with a razor.

    Murphy noted that this client had not yet been tapered off his medication and that the reaction had nothing to do with his nutritional regimen.

    The nutritional programs given to patients are designed by Murphy, his nutritionist Genita Petralli, and a local but not on-site doctor, Joel Lopez. While Murphy trained as a chiropractor, he is not licensed.

    When commissioners asked if Genita Petralli was a licensed nutritionist, Murphy awkwardly responded affirmatively. On Friday he acknowledged that he assumed Petralli was licensed, and pointed to the list of letters behind her name as evidence.

    Furthermore, commissioners said the facility does not benefit San Francisco since its clients are from outside the city. Commissioner Christina Olague said it was unfortunate “in a city where there’s a deep need for treatment facilities,” noting that the $16,000 per month cost was “excessive.”

    The center’s application said nine staff members would be present on the premises and that clients would be allowed outdoors only under supervision.

    Opponents argue that any facility that provides counseling or drug rehabilitation is required to be licensed under state law. The on-site staff is not licensed to provide counseling or medical care, and the city permit would only allow the center to maintain up to 20 beds.

    Gillean Gillette works on a project planting drought-tolerant landscaping along Guerrero Street. She said Alternative to Meds Center lied about donating $5,000 to this project. Murphy later responded by saying that the property owner Travis Svensson had mistakenly said he donated this money, and Murphy apologized that the center had taken credit for any such action.

    Other issues that arose included the center’s use of unlicensed care.

    “We are now aware we can no longer do acupuncture at the facility,” Murphy said to the commission. He insists that now that acupuncture has ceased, the facility does not need licensing to maintain its current client load of roughly seven and no more than 10 clients.

    Murphy seemed positive that the California Alcohol and Drug Programs Department would find that he can continue operation as a detox service. “We do not need a license,” Murphy said repeatedly.

    Despite his optimism, commissioners were quite stern and voted unanimously against the center’s request to provide housing.

    “You’re not ready for prime time,” said Commissioner Kathrin Moore.
    http://missionlocal.org/2009/04/nutr...gets-walloped/


    Re: Another recent complaint against Narconon Arrowhead, and a new affiliate also?
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    Quote from: SocialTransparency on March 17, 2013, 22:05

    Ask Luke about ATMC. Lyle Murphy has long been a topic of discussion.
    Lyle was a former Scientologist, yes. He gets a lot of clients that are routed out of Narconon centers for not being qualified. It is purely a holistic program that serves primarily raw, organic foods, etc. I have mixed feelings about ATMC. I believe Lyle would come forward and say that Narconon and Scientology are B.S., but he gets too many clients from them to do so, and becomes more of a business decision than anything else. He might do a David Lee someday, but who knows..
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    Re: Another recent complaint against Narconon Arrowhead, and a new affiliate also?
    Luke, you and I go back a ways, with the subject of ATMC popping up, before you and I corresponded and learned that you were out of Scn and Narconon networks. I was not super knowledgeable but had enough info back then to know that ATMC was still using Narconon sauna program just before they moved from CA to AZ. ATMC got busted by the CA ADP licensing division and were not given zoning OK to operate in the place where they were because of the illegal sauna in the basement.

    There were also some complaints filed with the city about pATMC patients running away. The business he's in, to me, seems quite dangerous if one does not know what they are doing. He has had physicians on staff, I believe but I wonder if it's like how NN says they have physicians available.
    Is Lyle actually doing the wind down of meds on these people with medical direction and supervision?

    Lyle, himself, was an illegal PC and was very involved with a program run by former Narconon Nor Cal ED, Richard Prescott, at the San Francisco based unlicensed Social Betterment Development Company aka New Life Center San Francisco / SF. It was a Narconon / Criminon program run out of hotel rooms. After multiple lawsuits and a death, Lyle went out on his own with ATMC, first in SF and then to AZ.

    I have no doubts about him no being a scientologist but I wonder regarding his use of sauna and vit's, Clear Body Clear Mind and his agreements with Narconon.

    Here is some older stuff that came up in the comments of my blog that may be of interest

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    Saturday, May 02, 2009
    Anonymous said...

    Dear Formerly Fooled:

    Maybe you can clear up something for others and myself. Is the following a front group for Scientology?

    “Alternative to Meds Center” has another name “clear mind services”

    Two addresses, two names, one phone number?

    This may interest you:

    http://yourconsciencecalls.wordpress.com/

    Thanks
    Monday, May 11, 2009
    Formerly Fooled said...

    This is a belated reply to the anon who wrote :
    Dear Formerly Fooled:

    Maybe you can clear up something for others and myself. Is the following a front group for Scientology?

    “Alternative to Meds Center” has another name “clear mind services”

    Two addresses, two names, one phone number?

    This may interest you:

    http://yourconsciencecalls.wordpress.com/

    Thanks
    ***********************************
    FYI, the owner deleted the blog but I recall something about a drive for donations to help a mentally ill woman attend ATMC.
    Yes, Alternative To Meds Center is a Scientology front group, in that it uses 2 key programs used in Scientology front groups Narconon and Criminon, both licensed through Scientology's secular arm, Association For Better Living and Education, Inc. ( ABLE, Inc )

    ATMC uses the sauna detox program and the Life Skills texts and classes of the Narconon Program aka The New Life Detox program aka the Purification Program. To do so, they pay license fees to ABLE, Int. Previous to their current location, Lyle Murphy worked alongside and with Richard Prescott and Jim Steiner ( both Scientologists) at New Life Center San Francisco aka Social Betterment Development Company aka SBDC New Life SF.
    Lyle Murphy is probably NOT a scientologist by virtue of his stated past psychiatric history. He's what scientology calls " an Illegal PC " a victim of the "evil psychs". For this reason, he's certainly a member of CCHR, scientology's anti-psych front group.

    Perhaps he's making amends to Scientology by helping other people he feels are victims of psychiatry.

    You can see videos showing this association here:
    Jim Steiner New Life Center
    http://www.alternativetomedscenter.c...rview.JIM.html

    ATMC videos of New Life SF patients using his orthomolecular program while at New Life SF
    http://www.youtube.com/user/ALTERNATIVETOMEDS

    There are other links of information and I will be doing an update on this organization and it's scientology connection very soon. Hope this helps.
    Monday, May 25, 2009
    Anonymous said...

    Thank you:

    Your information was quite eye opening:

    The fund raising that was going on to send this dying person to this center was at

    http://bipolarblast.wordpress.com

    They were really talking this place up and have a personal relationship with Lyle Murphy. They coined this place as life saving and a last hope for someone that's dieing center.

    But the money appears to have gone into a personal account and on the surface seems awful dubious.

    You would have to go through the archives there to get the complete picture of how strange this all was and is.

    Thank you once again for the information
    Tuesday, June 09, 2009
    Formerly Fooled said...

    Dear Anonymous, Glad to be of help. And thank you for the update and link!

    ~ Mary McConnell
    Tuesday, June 09, 2009
    http://free-from-scientology.blogspo...practices.html
    More, from the above thread
    http://forum.reachingforthetippingpo...?topic=12348.0

    And from Alternative to Meds Center Facebook:

    Alternative To Meds Center
    February 7, 2013 ·

    Kevin Trudeau is an American author, radio personality, infomercial salesman, and best known for promoting alternative medicine. A number of his television infomercials and several of his books, including Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You to Know About, allege that both the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and the pharmaceutical industry value profit more highly than treatments or cures.

    Lyle Murphy, founder of the Alternative to Meds Center, had the opportunity to spend time with Kevin while they were both speaking at the Health Freedom Expo in Chicago, which had several thousand attendees. Kevin made mention in his lecture that the number one issue affecting health is “the drugs that people are taking--prescription, over the counter and recreational--and the toxic environment they are being exposed to. As this is the same view that Alternative to Meds holds, we became interested in getting to know Kevin and sharing ideas.

    “When Lyle brought up that Alternative to Meds handles Narconon Out-Qual, Kevin lit up and expressed his endorsement for Narconon. In his view, Narconon is the best program for handling the problem of addiction”, said Mark Wenzel, Narconon graduate and the Director of Admissions for the Alternative to Meds Center. Kevin also shared that he had completed a sauna purification himself. It was obvious to see in listening to Kevin the detox regimen that the Sauna Purification provided him made a lasting impression and has become a core thread in the fabric of his philosophy.

    Learn more about Alternative to Meds Center at http://www.alternativetomeds.com/

    More can be learned about Kevin Trudeau by listening to his radio show, which can be found at http://www.ktradionetwork.com/
    https://www.facebook.com/alternative...01081453240207

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnonyMary View Post
    Oh, I see Lyle Murphy posted here! When Alternative to Meds Center (ATMC) was in CA, before they were forced to move out to Sedona AZ
    Lyle's on Facebook. Mutual friend of an Indie & a former Narconon employee who spoke out on it's abuses.

    https://www.facebook.com/lyle.murphy.14

    I think the "addiction specialist" in the video is Mike D. Turner of Narconon-Colorado. (I've slowed the video & held the speakers to my ears enough that they now ache).

    His family sent him to Narconon from Las Vegas, he graduated & went on staff as a "web marketing specialist", "counselor" and "course supervisor")

    https://www.facebook.com/mike.turner.10048

    https://plus.google.com/114509773475514521826/reviews

    https://www.linkedin.com/pub/mike-turner/87/166/248
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    People, pay attention to little tells that speak volumes about when you are about to get conned.

    Specifically, this:

    I hold a post-doctorate in Environmental Medicine, which allows me to deeply understand detox regimens, and I have personally designed the Alternative to Meds program which is based solely upon the principles of my education. My program is not a Hubbard Purification Model.
    What. The. Blue. Fuck. Is. A. "Post-Doctorate"?

    There are protected terms: Physician. Dietician. Physical Therapist.

    And then there are the titles that are adopted by homeopathic horseshit peddlers.

    Nutritionist (in many states). Homeopath. Acupuncturist (in many states, including CA, this is not a licensed profession). Naturopath.

    There is no licensing procedure for this shit.

    And there is no licensing for a "post-doctorate" because there is no such degree as a "post-doctorate". Medical doctors have residencies and fellowships to finish their training. Ph.D.s obtain post-doctoral fellowships on the road to full professorship. There is no "post-doctorate" degree, and one does not have or hold it, one works as a post-doctoral research fellow - in pure science, not in medicine. To misuse this term in such a way screams out to a professional scientist, especially a professional medical scientist, that one is dealing with a quack.

    Why would Lyle emphasize this "post-doctorate" (a certificate, by admission on his website, meaning it was a short course) in Environmental Medicine, when he's a Chiropractor? Is he ashamed of that, or just trying to pull the wool over untrained eyes with jargon? A certificate in Environmental Medicine from a school of chiropractic isn't even worth something as toilet tissue - the paper's too thick and rough.

    He employs an MD who got his ticket pulled in OK for abusing prescription drugs, and his medical director is practicing far from his field of certification - Internal Medicine. His "advisor" with a residency in Geriatric Psychiatry (also not really relevant to addiction counseling, and a D.O. to boot) is not even on site and appears to be chiefly dealing with patients with sleep issues. The only apparently qualified person on staff is a Psy. D., but even she does not appear to have primary training in addiction.

    And as soon as you go to their website, if you are knowledgeable, you are slapped in the face with Orthomolecular Medicine. I've written extensively on this site about Linus Pauling and his decent into quackery. Orthomolecular medicine is what's left of Linus's sordid legacy.

    If anyone is web surfing the background on these people and lands on this page - please take my advice and find another facility that employs people who are actually trained in addiction counseling, not a site run by a chiropractor pretending to be a doctor, and employing a doctor who got his ticket pulled for raiding the cookie jar.

    You CAN do better than these clowns.
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    Udarnik, thank you so much for pointing that out and for clarifying what these titles mean and don't mean. The whole field is filled with titles of apparencies.

    As to Lyle's education, it's quite clear that he has none, as demonstrated on his own LinkedIn:
    Lyle Murphy
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    United States
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    Alternative To Meds Center
    Education
    Life University

    Experience

    Alternative To Meds Center
    Founder

    Alternative To Meds Center
    September 2006 – Present (8 years 4 months)Sedona, AZ

    Licensed Residential Holistic Mental Health

    Education
    Life University
    https://www.linkedin.com/pub/lyle-murphy/6b/664/344

    He also lies that he is a licensed chiropractor.

    Back in 2009, this reporter notes that he is not licensed and and that he stated his nutritionist was when she wasn't

    The nutritional programs given to patients are designed by Murphy, his nutritionist Genita Petralli, and a local but not on-site doctor, Joel Lopez. While Murphy trained as a chiropractor, he is not licensed.

    When commissioners asked if Genita Petralli was a licensed nutritionist, Murphy awkwardly responded affirmatively. On Friday he acknowledged that he assumed Petralli was licensed, and pointed to the list of letters behind her name as evidence.
    http://missionlocal.org/2009/04/nutr...gets-walloped/

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    So with great anticipation I approached the tour of the Center, led by Educational Director, Jason Good, culminating in a sit-down with founder Dr. Lyle Murphy DC.
    He's not a licensed chiropractor and never was to my knowledge. In the past I have searched various state databases and he's not listed in any of them for holing a past or current license.

    Jason Good is a Narconon graduate who currently works for Narconon Suncoast Rehabilitation Center in FL, and before working for Lyle at ATMC, he worked for a now shut down another Narconon front group called New Life Center of San Francisco ( Social Betterment Development Corp) which I wrote about back in 2008 ( closed due to lawsuits, including a wrongful death case )
    https://www.linkedin.com/pub/jason-good/55/289/242

    Lyle is also falsely listed as Lyle Murphy, DC here for this aeminar at the 2012 LGBT Wellness Sedona Wellness Conference
    http://lgbt-wellness.org/lgbt-wellne...ference/326-2/

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