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    I wonder if anyone has any information on the Alternative to Meds center in Sedona. It is recommended by the DVD "Dead Wrong" which is touted by the CCHR. I'm trying to determine if it is a SCN front as I have a family member who may go there for prescription med treatment.

    I'm not an ex SCN, but I have family members who have married into the group. (I thought of the group as a religiib...of sorts until I read Janet Reitman's terrific book.)

    Many thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketzeke View Post
    I wonder if anyone has any information on the Alternative to Meds center in Sedona. It is recommended by the DVD "Dead Wrong" which is touted by the CCHR. I'm trying to determine if it is a SCN front as I have a family member who may go there for prescription med treatment.

    I'm not an ex SCN, but I have family members who have married into the group. (I thought of the group as a religiib...of sorts until I read Janet Reitman's terrific book.)

    Many thanks!

    --cricket
    Sedona! Thank you for providing the name of this place, as I have heard quite a bit about it directly from Scientologists who had cancer.

    When you get more information, can you include it?

    When I was at AOLA in the 1980s, I knew of several people who went to Sedona because it advertised it could "cure cancer".

    They were not cured. All died.

    Their names are not included in the "Why are they Dead?" list and they need to be included.

    Sedona needs to be investigated. It is a scam that takes advantage of desperate people and denies them proper medical care that COULD save their lives.

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    ".....ATMC uses the sauna detox program and the Life Skills texts and classes of the Narconon Program aka The New Life Detox program aka the Purification Program. To do so, they pay license fees to ABLE, Int. Previous to their current location, Lyle Murphy worked alongside and with Richard Prescott and Jim Steiner ( both ........."
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    Quote from Mary Mcconnell: http://forum.reachingforthetippingpo...?topic=3257.20
    "....FYI, readers, ATMC is similar to what Hayes, et al, are doing, except Lyle Murphy adds his food theory to the program and he is not a scientologist - he's what Scns call an 'illegal PC' because of his psych history- they don't want him. He contracted with ABLE on the Clear Mind Clear Body and other Narconon related materials previously when he was in SF. Yes, his program is dangerous..."

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    I have no idea if ATMC is a front group, but Sedona, Arizona has a reputation for being the sort of place where alternative therapies can be found. And it would be just like scn to set up a group there, to take advantage of Sedona's name.

    I'm a firm believer in "alternative" medical treatment. Standard medicine, called allopathy, is often no more than a speedy road to a comfortable death (alleviating symptoms while doing nothing to cure the underlying disease, or making it worse).

    Every now and then you hear about somebody dying in an alternative medicine environment, and the authorities coming down on them saying, if only the person went to a "real doctor" instead, they may still be alive. Yet how many people die each year under the care of "real doctors"? The stats (forgive the use of that word) are not in their favour.

    Very often, people seek alternative treatment after "regular" medicine has failed. This means they show up at the alternative centre practically at death's door. If I were running such a centre, I wouldn't accept anyone who was so far gone. Yet these places do, and many achieve full recoveries.

    I'm into alternatives myself, taking everything from vitamins to B12 injections to HRT. (One of these days, I'm even going to start exercising again! )

    Helena

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    I am not a Scientologist, and ATMC is not in any way associated with, or endorsed by, the Church of Scientology, or its teachings.

    ATMC is licensed by the State of Arizona Department of Health Services Office of Behavioral Health. The State requires us to provide counseling by licensed therapists and mental health treatment. It is my understanding that many of the treatments offered, and principles behind the treatments, would conflict with Scientology.

    I hold a post-doctorate in Environmental Medicine, which allows me to deeply understand detox regimens, and I have personally designed the Alternative to Meds program which is based solely upon the principles of my education. My program is not a Hubbard Purification Model.

    By way of history, I myself had a disabling breakdown about 15 years ago, which was later found to be the result of a low blood sugar condition. It resulted in a coma, and left me impaired with stroke-like symptoms, which to some degree limited me. For 10 years I worked with natural methods to heal myself and was successful in this.

    In about 2006, I was briefly hired as an independent consultant for the New Life Center in San Francisco. New Life was a Criminon (scientology based) program, and I was hired to give advice on how to help persons come off of medications so they could go on from there and do the Criminon program. I was very interested in this because of my own history, and it was the only place that I could find at that time and in that area even trying to help persons heal as I had.

    I did some good things there, and the courses they did for persons looked very interesting and their participants seemed to enjoy it. However those brought in to do the Criminon program who were still on medications were often found not stable enough to be successful in the Criminon program. I did not meet with the volume of success that I desired, as I they did not have the resources or any professional staff there to help them as I wanted to.

    So, as my main goal was solely to help people come off their medications safely, I decided I would be more effective in this if I formed my own group of licensed professionals and holistic practitioners to focus on this goal in a clinical setting.
    With the limited funds I had, I procured a clinical space, hired the staff that was needed and the Alternative to Meds Center was born, and over seven years we have now grown into a 45 person staff with a full clinical team of licensed professionals and have had over 1200 persons come through the program.

    ATMC has never used a Hubbard sauna purification program, as it is not designed for medication withdrawal, and furthermore we would be in violation of copyright laws if we did as we have never been, nor sought to be, licensed with ABLE. Our detox methods include chelation, colonics, sauna, mineral baths, IV’s, footbaths and nutritional therapy—all of which are modalities typical to naturopathic and environmental medicine.

    I do believe that we, as a society, are being overmedicated by psychiatry. That does not make me a scientologist. Similarly, I think people watch too much TV, but that does not make me Amish. I choose to be unattached to any religious or philosophical paradigm whatsoever.

    Any questions should be directed to the Center. I am happy to speak with anyone interested in these topics, and believe a very short conversation with me will quell any notion that I am a scientologist.

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    Published December 21, 2014: Audio recording of 22 minute call [Edited to 5.44 Minutes] between patient and Addiction Referral Specialist sent to David Love with recording edited to protect identity of caller. Specialist badgers patient and claims she is a victim of Psychiatry. Patient was referred to Alternative to Meds Center - recommended by the DVD "Dead Wrong" which is touted by Scientology's CCHR. The center uses the sauna detox program and the Life Skills texts and classes of the Narconon Program aka "The New Life Detox program aka the Purification Program." They pay license fees to Scientology's ABLE International.



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