HELP! I want to help some SEA ORG friend get out? Need advice!

[Idle Morgue]

Can anyone that was in the Sea Org help me by enlightening me on the mindset you had while in but was thinking of getting out and someone said something to you that gave you the strength to BOLT? What did you need to hear? What worked, what did not work?

I have some friends that have no clue I am out. We communicate quite frequently on email but I know the emails are monitored so, as far as they know, I go to all events, donate tons of money to the cause, am on course everyday and am on my next step on the BRIDGE to Total DEATH! Oh, I love Lafatty Hub Turd and David Miscarriage/Mismanagement, Mistake, Miscabbage!

When they call me from their cell phone, is there anything I can say to them that will give them a sense of safety if they ever want to leave? Like..I can fly them anywhere in the world, help them find jobs etc. Is the conversation taped if it is a Sea Org phone?

Any ideas from those that were in and someone said something to them that gave them some security to get the hell out would be appreciated.

Thank you!

[LongTimeGone]

We are all different (and the same) in that the desire to leave has various sources, but really comes from within and not from what others say to us.

The greatest obstacle to just walking out is often the fear of failure outside the cult. No job, no roof over our head, out of communication with old networks and family, fear of being ostracised, etc.

If you can really offer jobs to friends then that could be subtly dropped into the e-mail.

"Boy have I got some work out here in the wog world - Wish you were available, I could offer you a great job. Anyway keep up the good work in the S.O."

When the friend reaches "enlightenment" and decides to run from the lunacy, he knows someone to contact who just might be able to help.

Good luck with this.

LTG

[renegade]

Maybe this thread can help give your friends some ideas:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthrea...for-SO-members

[Petey C]

It's going to be different for everyone. What worked for me was that I knew my family would take me in and help at a moment's notice. So maybe you could try saying that if ever they need help of any sort, they should call you any time, day or night, and you can get help to them quickly. Just keep saying it without making them feel like shit (as people who leave do, as they're massively conflicted, fearful and also full of contempt for themselves for having been conned for so long). If you keep it neutral and open (and say it often), they'll believe it.

Good on you, LGT, for wanting to help get 'em out. It's the mark of a true friend.

[Ladybird]

I posted some stuff in the "natter board" that helped me get friends and family to wake up. This might give you a little insight too:

http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/welcome-to-the-sea-org.htm

[BunnySkull]

Make it clear you are "friends no matter what and say to him that if he ever needs anything you'll be there for him - no strings attached.

I always have this gnawing fear in these types of situations that the SO member may want to leave (why call a wog friend regularly?) but since they think they are talking to an upstat true believer are afraid to say anything. I've read stories of married SO couples, both wanting to blow but never saying anything to their spouse not wanting to enturbulate them, or fear KR, etc.. They only find out when one blows and leaves the other.

If possible maybe tell them a "story" about a "friend" of yours whose child/ sister left the SO, but how they were welcomed home and while hard at first are now doing really well. See what their reaction is, even if it is knee jerk abhorrence at someone blowin, the seed is innocently planted.

Always remember what they say and how they react to you might not be their true thinking, but merely their fear of being monitored or allowing thoughts that may be uncovered in sec checks.

Just keep being a strong connection to the real world and real friend to them, that's what more SO members need.

[Tom of Helatrobus]

We are all different (and the same) in that the desire to leave has various sources, but really comes from within and not from what others say to us.

The greatest obstacle to just walking out is often the fear of failure outside the cult. No job, no roof over our head, out of communication with old networks and family, fear of being ostracised, etc.

If you can really offer jobs to friends then that could be subtly dropped into the e-mail.

"Boy have I got some work out here in the wog world - Wish you were available, I could offer you a great job. Anyway keep up the good work in the S.O."

When the friend reaches "enlightenment" and decides to run from the lunacy, he knows someone to contact who just might be able to help.

Good luck with this.

LTG

Just mention that you saw a "help wanted" sign at a burger king. The hours are better and so is the pay. That might sound like a joke, but it really isn't. The tough thing might be getting a place to stay - no problem if they have relatives or friends willing to give them space. I've worked menial jobs and lived with my parents before and I've also been in the sea org. To date the sea org is the most demanding, most demeaning, least paying job I've ever had. At least when I worked at burger king I had some fun and time to myself.

[StickbyMe]

The truth is that even when having doubts, you are so used to the PR line... I think anybody bringing up me leaving would have really upset me. Even just thinking about blowing is an overt.

I did see a lot of people get waffley when their friends or loved ones were declared. Maybe gently hammer this point home. "So what exactly did Brad do? How could he be an SP?" You have to be gentle so they aren't committing the overt of doubting.

[randomx]

Just be warned. If you say anything bad to them about scientology , they will
stop communicating with you.

So try to gear your conversation about the positives of being out, rather than the negatives of staying in.

[Freeminds]

Talking about leisure-related things can get through where an out-and-out attack on LRH will do nothing but send them scurrying back into the clutches of the cult. No 'drill' or 'tech' is required... just talk about how you enjoyed the sunshine at the weekend, working in the garden. How your grandchildren are learning new things all the time... maybe recommend a favourite recipe and offer them a chance to come and try it.

None of this is particularly confrontational, or at least it needn't cause a conflict between you and the person you're hoping to get through to. What you're doing is giving them a glimpse of life on the outside: people caught up in Scientology servitude never have enough time to cook really good food or to see their loved ones; and they never have enough money either.

Every time you natter about a book you just read, or a concert you went to, etc., you're subtly reminding them of all the things they have given up, in favour of endless recruitment, fundraising and so on. You're showing them that the 'trouble source' in their life is Scientology.

Sooner or later, the only other thing you'll need to do is let them know that you have a spare room where they can stay for a week or two, until they make new plans, and begin a new life as an 'ex'.