Scientology Settles with Debbie Cook

[TG1]

Those letters were put into the record by Debbie's side. Very possibly CO$ attorney didn't know about them.

Terril, I believe (at least I thought) that the Co$ lawyers appended Debbie's letters to the Church as attachments to their original complaint and request for a temporary injunction to keep Debbie silent.

I've looked online for Debbie's letters that LA SCN posted above, but cannot find them, so I cannot confirm which side filed them with the court. However, the original complaint included the following language which I believe intended to persuade the court that Debbie's letters were evidence that she was attempting to extort monies and/or silence and/or renegotiate her original agreement with the Co$:

"On January 1, 2012 and again on January 15, 2012, Defendants threatened (and attempted to extort) the Church with additional disparaging disclosures in violation of their Agreements in an effort to deter the Church from exercising its First Amendment petition rights."

(I'm ignoring the punctuation errors made in the above excerpt.)

LA SCN, do you know which side filed Debbie's letters with the court, thereby making them visible to all of us?

TG1

[ILove2Lurk]

I'm swimming against the tide compared to what a lot of people are thinking and posting all over, but I think it cost at least $5-7 million to seal this deal.

I'm guessing she and Wayne walked away with a eight-figure settlement from the cult . . .

OK, I'm pushing ALL IN at this point.



I'm going with what I thought the first day the news broke about a fast settlement.

I think it cost at least $7-10 million to seal this deal.

I've read many of the "reasonable" and "logical" and "legal" explanations on this thread. How things should be per the laws and legal protocol.

But think about one thing.

Many times in life things do not stack up very evenly. Very irrational and unexpected outcomes are the norm, especially when the individual(s) on the other side of table might be: unpredictable, psychotic, erratic, unstable, utterly mad perhaps, even worse.

The biggest thing I've learned over the years is: that it's a big mistake to put my "template" of reason, logic, common sense (the lens I look through at life), over a situation that is obviously "nuts" in the first place with the result of trying to "understand" it. My template just doesn't fit over it and there's no explanation to be had.

Crazy is simply crazy. Unpredictable is simply unpredictable. Chaotic is chaotic. No more to be said about it.

I believe throw out all the past legal precedents here . . . and go for the crazy, knee-jerk settlement in this case. The panic-driven, veins bulging in the temples "get this off my plate at any cost" scenario.

As I said, "I'm all in" on this hand.

Play your cards the way you want.

ILove2Lurk

PS: Sure is a fun thread. We'll find out one day for real.

[Smilla]

This may constitute a practical work-around for these gag agreements.

[TG1]

OK, I'm pushing ALL IN at this point.



I'm going with what I thought the first day the news broke about a fast settlement.

I think it cost at least $7-10 million to seal this deal.

OK, bidding against Tikk is scary. I like and respect his expertise and his conclusions.

However, ILove2Lurk has inspired me with his write-a-real-number-on-the-back-of-an-envelope-and-slide-it-across-the-table move. And since I'm playing with fantasy money and have already opened and partaken from a bottle of zinfandel tonight, I'm able to live in a fantasy land where Tikk's legal logic does not apply.

Even though I would love to think Debbie and Wayne had the sense to push for eight figures AND had a fairy godmother who could make their dreams come true, I'm going to bid $3-5 million. It's what I think they might have imagined they could live on -- $75K to $100K/year. I think they'd also have paid Jeffrey the going 30% contingency fee.

Their "havingness" is not mine. But that's what i imagine theirs might be.

(You just had to know that eventually someone would dredge up havingness, didn't you?)

TG1

[LA SCN]

...
LA SCN, do you know which side filed Debbie's letters with the court, thereby making them visible to all of us?
TG1

I first saw them as a sidebar on a Village Voice article from Tony Ortega as I recall - I may be wrong. They live here on the Tampa Bay Times website:

http://www.tampabay.com/specials/201...logy020912.pdf (Exhibit A)

and

http://www.tampabay.com/specials/201...logy020912.pdf (Exhibit B)

however the second link does not appear to work (its working now). I originally downloaded the pdf's on 10 February 2012 as the news was fresh.

I have the original pdfs I downloaded and will be glad to send to anyone via back channel. They were entered as part of the court record but it is not indicated by whom.

[ILove2Lurk]

I first saw them as a sidebar on a Village Voice article from Tony Ortega as I recall - I may be wrong.

You're right and I think Tony mentioned somewhere he got them from Tobin and Childs the day of the testimony.

They were entered as part of the court record but it is not indicated by whom.

This was never made clear.

They're sorta damning. I'd guess the Debbie Cook side entered them, but I could never find out for sure.

ILove2Lurk

[LA SCN]

And since I'm playing with fantasy money and have already opened and partaken from a bottle of zinfandel tonight, I'm able to live in a fantasy land where Tikk's legal logic does not apply.

Good move. I've been on the 'Beam'

Their "havingness" is not mine. But that's what i imagine theirs might be.
(You just had to know that eventually someone would dredge up havingness, didn't you?)
TG1

I'd have had to remedy mine if you didn't...

[Terril park]

Terril, I believe (at least I thought) that the Co$ lawyers appended Debbie's letters to the Church as attachments to their original complaint and request for a temporary injunction to keep Debbie silent.

I've looked online for Debbie's letters that LA SCN posted above, but cannot find them, so I cannot confirm which side filed them with the court. However, the original complaint included the following language which I believe intended to persuade the court that Debbie's letters were evidence that she was attempting to extort monies and/or silence and/or renegotiate her original agreement with the Co$:

"On January 1, 2012 and again on January 15, 2012, Defendants threatened (and attempted to extort) the Church with additional disparaging disclosures in violation of their Agreements in an effort to deter the Church from exercising its First Amendment petition rights."

(I'm ignoring the punctuation errors made in the above excerpt.)

LA SCN, do you know which side filed Debbie's letters with the court, thereby making them visible to all of us?

TG1

I spent an hour trying to nail this down. Found a couple of opinions that
Debbies side filed it, and that seems to be how I remember it. There are thousands of posts on this subject between Marty Tony and here, and I'd spent enough time so I went with what I got.



Exhibit A was originally sent to Kathy True on Jan 1, as was Debbies famous Mail to everyone she knew. Dunno what was sent on Jan 15th.

Its worth noting that Exhibit A at least, disses DM, referring to his violence and off policy and off tech actions. This is in fact "forwarding the enemy line" which is very much against PR,GO/OSA policy and probably even
more strongly against DM's personal policy. This tends to indicate Debbie's side filed it. If they didn't it indicates that DM didn't know what he was getting into or doing.

[RogerB]

Yes . . all indications are that the Cof$ would buy them off.

Look at the the mindset of DM . . . . money is everything! Of course he would use money to get out of a bad situation.

The way the Texas law scene is, he, cohorts and victims were next to be subpoenaed for for deposition . . . . .

R

[SlappyMiscavige]

The DAMAGE is already DONE! Debbie Cook's e-mail has devastated the Church of Scientology and there will be more to come!

The Co$ put on the internet Debbie Cook signing a GAG order w/o an attorney. THAT WAS REALLY STUPID!

Now they pay her off to shut her up...does not look good. If the Church of Scientology had NOTHING to HIDE...they would have proceeded and not given her a dime! But the Church of Scientology has PLENTY TO HIDE!! CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY!!

This put a dent into Miss Cabbage's bank account, for sure! More bad PR to the Co$ by now shutting her up. One thing about criminals...they ALWAYS get caught and they do really, really STUPID things!

The truth is setting people free and KARMA is coming right back to the CULT of SCAMONOLOGY!

well said. bravo!!