The Jives Joined the SO at CLO UK in 1994 or so from London Org on Tottenham Court Road. I think Ian or John was recruited first as a public on the HDA.
They joined the Sea Org that same year on the condition that they could remain as a functioning band within Div 6 to promote, recruit and forward the cult's regressive efforts to bring down civilization.
They impressed Miscavige and Cruise at some event, maybe in 1997, I am a bit vague as to precisely when that happed. They were involved in the recruitment of a couple of fairly important celebs (I was not given the names, but we were briefed) I did a lot of work with them over the years on artwork, printing, logistics and helped them miss a plane once!
They were a nice bunch of fun, happy, lively guys back in the first half of the 1990s, they giged in UK and Europe supporting the big crusades and doing events. They eventually were taken up lines and made into robots - sorry, warrant officers.
They went through a tortuous six months on the int clearance lines in either 1999 or 2000, I was with them in LA while that was going on. Watching it was a bit like seeing people's personalities dismantled and then reassembled with new parts, kind of scary to observe I must say. Ian's wife (the Jive Ace PR, booking agent and backing singer) could not believe what she was experiencing on this lines and blew. Smart woman. (Rumor has it that she was pregnant and resisted efforts to persuade her to get an abortion, I buy into that having known her and seeing her worsening state of mind while these clearances were ongoing) The others were not so fortunate.
Once they got clearances, they went to Hemet and for a good six months worked with DM, DM's old man, who is or was a jazz trumpet player, and the Golden Era Musicians. They recorded an album with Chick Corea at Mad Hatter Studios and came back to UK as a bunch of arrogant, stuck up pigs. We of the lower ranks had become scum.
They have a fairly complicated admin scale, strat plan and the like all signed off by DM and so really operate as their own little org despite operating out of CLO UK. They make their own income from gigs and album sales and pay berthing, food and other support costs to CLO Estates Financial Planning.
No one below RTC level is allowed to mess with the band, they are never sent on missions unless it is part of their very own or an IMPR/CC int linked celeb recruitment program. Everything that they do is tightly focused to recruit for, disseminate for and PR front for Scientology.
It is a bit of a PR coup to have gotten on BGT, it will act as a huge moral boost to the last remnants of kool aide drinking culties in the UK, and it forwards their PR strategic Plan to rebuild the cult's reputation in the UK. I sense that they must have had some fairly influential back up to get onto the show.
I don't know if Simon Cowel has met them before, but I will say that the Jives are very aggressive and single minded about getting their products. (I touched on this in 'The Complex' with regard to their efforts to re-recruit Van Morrison into the fold back in the late 1990's).
Be good idea to keep an eye on these fellows.
A general loathing of a gang or sect usually has some sound basis in instinct.
Just like this.
You did a great job of describing it.
"he also introduced all of us and indeed he thrust us into his practises of cruelty, inhumanity, abuse and punishment, all of which he systematically reframed as positive and as requirements for enlightenment." - Hana Eltringham/Whifield speaking in Hamburg on the 28th of March 2010.
An organized Church is a control system by its hierarchal nature. William S. Burroughs, Naked Scientology
BGT embeds their videos... have to watch video from YouTube.
Funny... not one mention in the British media that they are a Scientology group.
I tell you what. Last time I was at SH in 2008, empty, empty, empty. Two thirds of the bums on seats at Graduations were SO.
The Jive Aces can't be doing a good job in the UK then.
Life is not measured by the breaths we take but by the number of moments that take our breath away.
A buddy of mine used to tour with them as sort of a manager role. Don't know what his post was exactly. I met up with him and the band in NY and hung out while they played a gig at Windows on the World (at the top of the WTC) went on the Joe Franklin radio show. Epic night.
My perception of the Jive Aces was that they were really great guys who'd figured out a hell of a way to make a living as a band. I've already posted here about how much better it was being a Sea Org member off-base at an org. I can't even imagine how awesome it must be touring all the time and making music videos and being on TV shows.
Does anybody know what they do when not gigging? I mean, they don't play 365 days per year. What are their stats?
L. Ron Hubbard, on "inventing facts," from an April 1955 'HCOB':
"A datum is an invention which has become agreed upon and solidified... When it is thoroughly agreed upon it becomes, then, a truth.
"The word 'lie' is simply 'an invention with a bad connotation'... Thus society frowns upon the invention of facts."
Another notable quote, this from the cocaine-inspired loose-lipped 'PDC' lectures, "It's a trap not being able to prevaricate."
And then there's the old reliable, 'TR-L', the Training Routine for Lying.
And, of course, there's the first half of the Fair Game Law, "Trick and lie to."
These things are as much a part of subject as the "auditing comm cycle," "ARC," and discharging tension by finding "earlier similars" (wording is Korzybski's), and these ingredients, along with others, combine - per the founder's design - to making Scientology.
In Scientology, lying is only supposed to flow downward, with Hubbard, and his senior representatives - inside or outside the CofS - free to lie to other Scientologists, while Scientologists are expected to open their minds completely to inspection by those above them.
It shouldn't be surprising that a 'Good Scientologist' is willing to lie to those he sees as below him: the "SPs," "DBs," "Homo Saps," and "Wogs," and also less "aware" fellow Scientologists.
It's quite a system: an "applied philosophy" that make liars out of good people - lying to others, and also lying to themselves.
And the first step to unraveling the mess is to describe it:
Oh no...now I'm stuck on a word chain...
Until I get it cleared up won't be able to decide which definition applies..
1. swing music or early jazz.
2. the jargon associated with swing music and early jazz.
3. Slang. deceptive, exaggerated, or meaningless talk: Don't give me any of that jive!
verb (used without object)
4. to play jive.
5. to dance to jive; jitterbug.
6. Slang. to engage in kidding, teasing, or exaggeration.
verb (used with object)
7. Slang. to tease; fool; kid: Stop jiving me!
8. Slang. insincere, pretentious, or deceptive.