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    Thank you Mick and Ethercat, Emma will now be able to move on with the next stage of her life knowing that 'her baby' will be in safe hands.

    I reckon ESMB is going to be very important to many in the next few years and I'm so glad it will be here for them as it was for us.

    It's a perfect outcome for us all (except OSA, Lol).





    From the moment someone becomes a scientologist they start to emotionally detach from those they once loved and treasured, they replace them with other scientologists, cultic lectures, formulas, scales, charts and 'processing'. Eventually all of that conditioning has to be undone if the shattered relationships are to have any chance of healing.

    Scientology is a divisive cult that cannot deliver what it promises because what it promises doesn't exist.

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    Thank you all!

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    Much appreciation to Emma for her hard work and courage, and welcome - in your new capacities - to Mick and Ethercat.


    I'll add the following, which is a (admittedly too long ) re-post, as it's how I, personally, see ESMB, in case anyone's curious:

    There was an idea, way back when, that the old (entirely "critical") newsgroup, a.r.s. (alt.religion.scientology) could be joined with the (mostly "squirrel") "tech" oriented a.c.t. (alt.clearing.technology), and this combination of seemingly irreconcilable opposites would allow for a place where a complete description of Scientology would be possible. That would mean that the "good" of Scientology (mainly used as deceptive lead-in disguise) could be described and discussed, as well as that which is lurking behind the "good."

    This would allow for a complete description of the multi-layered goodness-disguised mind-trap of Scientology, and that's something Scientology most definitely does not want.

    ESMB finally made that possible.

    Probably, aside from people inside the "Church" of Scientology, and their bewildered families, the people who need ESMB the most are the Independent Scientologists over at MartyWorld, and the Scientology Zoners in the Freezone. One might say it's their uh... "next step."

    Usually, Scientologists can grasp the notion that "Black Scientology" might be used on "Suppressive Persons," but not the idea that Scientology's founder used "Black Scientology" on his own loyal followers. This is difficult to explain to Scientologists, since Scientology (Hubbard's teachings and "applied philosophy") is regarded as a "gift" from Hubbard for their benefit. Yet Scientology, as crafted by Hubbard, is a devious mix of "Black" and "White" Scientology, and this mixture is what makes Scientology a trap.

    Currently, about as far as most "Independent" and "Freezone" Scientologists can venture is to assert that corporate Scientology's current leader, David Miscavige, uses "Black Scientology." Beyond that, usually things become foggy for them.

    In his confidential writings, Hubbard taught that Scientology's enemies should be subjected to "enemy tactics," and to the various mechanisms of the mind (and "reactive mind"), and Hubbard, in writings and lectures, would sometimes describe these and, on a few occasions (usually at lectures), even warn the wide eyed and eager Scientologists that some evil force (not him of course, but the communists, Nazis, psychiatrists, the "12 bankers," etc.) could use Scientology to enslave - such is "the power the tech," etc. FZ and Indy Scientologists are fond of quoting these warnings. This, while remaining subject to many of the manipulative ideas and methods woven into Scientology by its founder.

    Here are a few examples. There are many.

    L. Ron Hubbard described himself as "Mankind's Greatest Friend," etc., so his writings and comments about "aberrative mechanisms" and "enemy tactics" never came across as a warning about himself. If anything, it made others more inclined to trust him.

    For example, in Dianetics, what's "aberrative"? Something that equates to "survival." The "held down 7s" are "aberrative" because they're identified with the person's survival. "Survival," as a "mechanism" becomes "aberrative."

    Even in 1950, Dianetics was presented as being a "race with the atomic bomb." The message was plain enough: Dianetics = Survival. No Dianetics = Doom.

    And this continued into Scientology. One of many examples: In 1956, Hubbard wrote, "With Man now equipped with weapons sufficient to destroy all Mankind and Earth... The primary race on Earth is... the one being run between Scientology and the atomic bomb."

    How many Scientologists read Hubbard's descriptions of Dianetics and Scientology as essential for Mankind's "Survival!" - and their own "Survival" - and thought, "Oh, Ron's using the 'Survival mechanism' to manipulate me" ?

    Another example from 1950 Dianetics is the "ally computation." Someone comes out of the blue and helps another person, helps the other person in some way or other. The "help" could be indifferently offered, or insincerely offered, but if the needy person regards it as aiding in his "Survival!" (or well being, or the alleviation of pain or the attainment of pleasure or relief), then (so the theory goes) the "ally" mechanism is in place and in effect. For example, an uncle, who may not be a particularly nice fellow, gets his little nephew a glass of water when that nephew is sick in bed and thirsty. The uncle (in the mind of the little nephew) becomes an "ally," and the uncle become identified with "Survival!"

    Now, who would have thought that "Mankind's Greatest Friend," on whom the "Survival!" of Mankind, and the "Survival!" of each person (Scientologists, through Ron's "Bridge") depended, would use the "ally computation" and the "Survival mechanism" in order to deceive, manipulate, and exploit? Nah, that could never happen.

    However, it did happen, and not only years later, but sometimes the same day, or previous to Hubbard mentioning a deceptive, manipulative or destructive mechanism or tactic.

    But it was disguised, and so wasn't recognized. Hubbard's warnings about the race between Dianetics or/and Scientology and the atomic bomb were regarded by Scientologists as warnings by their, and Mankind's, #1 "ally," L. Ron Hubbard. Who amongst Scientologists suspected? Yet, the warning noted above - from 1956 - was less than a year after Hubbard had published, and distributed, his fake "Russian Psychopolitics textbook" http://warrior.xenu.ca/Brainwashing-front.jpg (which of course denounced Dianetics), a "textbook" that, amongst the haughty "Russian Commie"-sounding rhetoric, and references to psychiatrists practicing lurid sex with their (unconscious) patients, "Pain-Drug-Hypnosis," shock treatment, lobotomies, etc., was a compendium of enemy ("Russian Communist") ideas and practices for "asserting and maintaining dominion over thoughts and loyalties."

    From Hubbard's "Russian Textbook":

    "The failure of Psychopolitics might well bring about the atomic bombing of the Motherland. The psychopolitical operative must succeed for his success means world peace... The end thoroughly justifies the means."

    Even "Survival!" - used to manipulate - was mentioned in the fake "Russian Textbook":

    "It is pointed out in many early Russian writings that this is a survival mechanism. It [the "Survival!" mechanism] has already been well and thoroughly used in the survival of Communism."

    Hubbard's 1955 "Russian Textbook" was loaded with manipulative and exploitative ideas and practices, many of which were being used on Scientologists themselves - used on them by their "Greatest Friend" and ally, L. Ron Hubbard - ideas and practices which were, ultimately, from the 1960s onward, formally incorporated, by Hubbard, into Scientology doctrine and practice.

    Yet, who suspected? Yet, it was right there. And because it was right there it was unthinkable.

    And the last thing that Scientology wants is to be thoroughly and accurately described, and for Scientologists to start thinking about the unthinkable.

    Another way of seeing ESMB is as an extension of the pre-Internet book, 'Messiah or Madman?'

    L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman?, 2nd edition:

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0942...654802-4263319

    Messiah or Madman?

    The book L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman? has been published in three English language editions, each further revised and updated. There is also a hardbound Russian language edition that became available in 2005.

    Unlike most other books on Scientology, 'Messiah or Madman?' examines both the "positives" and "negatives" of the subject.

    An excerpt from the book flap for the 464 page 1996 edition:


    "I have high hopes of smashing my name
    into history so violently that it will take a
    legendary form even if all the books are
    destroyed. That goal is the real goal as far as
    I am concerned. Things which stand too
    consistently in my way make me nervous.
    It's a pretty big job. In a hundred years
    Roosevelt will have been forgotten - which
    gives some idea of the magnitude of my
    attempt. And all this boils and froths inside
    my head...
    "Psychiatrists, reaching the high of the
    dusty desk, tell us that Alexander, Genghis
    Khan and Napoleon were madmen. I know
    they're maligning some very intelligent
    gentlemen."

    L. Ron Hubbard wrote these words in a letter to
    his first wife in 1938.

    In 1950 he wrote the bestseller 'Dianetics, the
    Modern Science of Mental Health. This inspired a
    layman oriented mental health movement which,
    ultimately, developed into Scientology, the most
    profitable of the money-making new religions.

    Hubbard's early Dianetic and Scientology writings
    borrow freely from Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung, and
    the founder of General Semantics, Alfred Korzybski.

    And P.T. Barnum appears to have been an inspiration.

    Hubbard also took much from the writings of Aleister
    Crowley - self-proclaimed "Beast 666." This is a source
    of embarrassment for the Scientology Church, which
    is determined to achieve broad public acceptance.

    In the 1960s Hubbard incorporated Brainwashing
    methodologies into the subject. He established the
    "Fair Game Policy" which states that an "enemy" of
    Scientology "may be deprived of property or injured
    by any means by any Scientologist, without
    discipline of that Scientologist. May be tricked,
    sued, lied to or destroyed."

    He also became the Commodore of his own private
    navy, and began to refer to himself as "Source."

    L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman? exposes
    as never before the dark side of Scientology, yet
    contains an in-depth examination of the potential
    positives of the subject and their actual origins.

    So, whether it's regarded as the fruition of the idea of merging - but with moderators - the old a.r.s. & the old a.c.t. newsgroups (defying, if not laws of physics, the laws of human nature ), or as a living Internet extension of an old pre-Internet book, or thought of some other way, ESMB is definitely unique.
    Visit the Ex Scientologist Message Board web site for selected content from ESMB and more: http://exscn.net/

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    Thank you Emma for all the work you have done over the years to make ESMB one of the best forums in the internet.

    You have done a great service to us all.

    I congratulate you on your choice of administrators and I am sure that they will do an excellent job too!

    I sincerely wish you the best and enjoy life with your lovely husband and family. Give him a kiss for me will ya?

    Aida
    PS And if you ever come to LA, let's get together and party!

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    Hi everyone.

    I wrote my "I'm done" thread in April and since then nothing has happened to change my mind. If anything I'm more determined to rid my life of Scientology than ever before.

    Fortunately others are braver & stronger than me and have volunteered to take on ESMB. It's probably no surprise to learn that these people are Mick Wenlock & Ethercat.

    I've made both Mick & Ethercat administrators and these guys will take over as active admins immediately. I will stay on as an co-administrator, until Mick & Ethercat are grooved in. Once they are confident in handling the software & backend I will hand over all control to them.

    I trust Mick & Ethercat completely. I wouldn't be handing over ESMB to anyone whom I didn't trust 100%.

    Please throw your support behind these guys. Until you've run a forum, you have no idea of the headaches that come with it. Both Mick & Ethercat have run successful forums & do understand what is involved. I hope you will be as supportive of Mick & Ethercat as you have been of me.

    I'm sure Mick & Ethercat will post on how they each see their roles in running ESMB and I'll leave it to them to comment (unless they specifically want me to).

    Thanks for your patience while this change in management has been in progress.

    If you have any questions or concerns please voice them on this thread & they will be addressed.

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    Thank you all for the welcome. I echo everything Mick said upthread.

    I'm grateful to Emma for agreeing to stick around until we're more familiar with how things work, and, in advance, to y'all for accepting the change when she leaves. As Mick said, we plan to continue ESMB as it is, a living community with a personality all its own.

    You may not see me posting in threads much, as my role will be more of a backend, technical role, and Mick will be more of the front man, but feel free to PM me also with any concerns you have. You may not see me a lot, but I will be here.

    I'm glad that this worked out so that Emma can get the distance she needs and deserves, and so the board can continue for those who need and want it. I hope the need will continue as more people leave the cult, until there's no one left to leave, and I'm glad to help give them a place to go.

    But it's you guys who do the heavy lifting, lifting people from the mire of scientology, and I hope you'll continue doing that.

    I hope, too, that after the transition is complete, Emma will pop back in from time to time and tell us about her new life.
    Why did people join? Why did people leave?
    Find out at Scientology - Through the Door.

    Public indignation will be the tipping point against Scientology.
    We are Reaching For the Tipping Point!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethercat View Post
    Thank you all for the welcome. I echo everything Mick said upthread.

    I'm grateful to Emma for agreeing to stick around until we're more familiar with how things work, and, in advance, to y'all for accepting the change when she leaves. As Mick said, we plan to continue ESMB as it is, a living community with a personality all its own.

    You may not see me posting in threads much, as my role will be more of a backend, technical role, and Mick will be more of the front man, but feel free to PM me also with any concerns you have. You may not see me a lot, but I will be here.

    I'm glad that this worked out so that Emma can get the distance she needs and deserves, and so the board can continue for those who need and want it. I hope the need will continue as more people leave the cult, until there's no one left to leave, and I'm glad to help give them a place to go.

    But it's you guys who do the heavy lifting, lifting people from the mire of scientology, and I hope you'll continue doing that.

    I hope, too, that after the transition is complete, Emma will pop back in from time to time and tell us about her new life.

    It's great to have you and Mick here running things. We all couldn't have wished for a better outcome.
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    Great, Emma, so glad to hear the board is in safe hands.

    Welcome, Mick and Ethercat, as new and very welcome Admins!

    Solo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emma View Post
    ... Please throw your support behind these guys. Until you've run a forum, you have no idea of the headaches that come with it. Both Mick & Ethercat have run successful forums & do understand what is involved. I hope you will be as supportive of Mick & Ethercat as you have been of me. ...
    No worries. Thanks Em!


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    I knew someone would take over from here. Great choices! We go from a great Admin to 2 new and great ones.
    There are other methods out there besides Scn and Dianetics,you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethercat View Post
    Thank you all for the welcome. I echo everything Mick said upthread.

    I'm grateful to Emma for agreeing to stick around until we're more familiar with how things work, and, in advance, to y'all for accepting the change when she leaves. As Mick said, we plan to continue ESMB as it is, a living community with a personality all its own.

    You may not see me posting in threads much, as my role will be more of a backend, technical role, and Mick will be more of the front man, but feel free to PM me also with any concerns you have. You may not see me a lot, but I will be here.

    I'm glad that this worked out so that Emma can get the distance she needs and deserves, and so the board can continue for those who need and want it. I hope the need will continue as more people leave the cult, until there's no one left to leave, and I'm glad to help give them a place to go.

    But it's you guys who do the heavy lifting, lifting people from the mire of scientology, and I hope you'll continue doing that.

    I hope, too, that after the transition is complete, Emma will pop back in from time to time and tell us about her new life.
    All the best Ethercat in this new venture!
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