Scientology - the HELD DOWN SEVEN!

[Petey C]

I have to add that there are plenty of people around who have never been anywhere near Scientology, probably couldn't spell it, who have also had divorces, messy break-ups, business failures, bankruptcies, serious illnesses and general life wreckage. As the Buddhists say, shit happens.

I think the issue is that Scientology tries to make people believe they can avoid those things. And if they do, it's because of Scientology rather than through pure luck and random events. And if they don't, it's because of them -- they must have done something wrong.

Reminds me a bit of a boss I once had (outside of Scientology). If the income went down, it was because of something I didn't do. But if it went up, it wasn't because of me.

[Gadfly]

I have to add that there are plenty of people around who have never been anywhere near Scientology, probably couldn't spell it, who have also had divorces, messy break-ups, business failures, bankruptcies, serious illnesses and general life wreckage. As the Buddhists say, shit happens.

I think the issue is that Scientology tries to make people believe they can avoid those things. And if they do, it's because of Scientology rather than through pure luck and random events. And if they don't, it's because of them -- they must have done something wrong.

Reminds me a bit of a boss I once had (outside of Scientology). If the income went down, it was because of something I didn't do. But if it went up, it wasn't because of me.

It is the typical, always-existing KSW mindset. If you aren't doing great on any part of any Dynamic, if you aren't flourishing and prospering stupendously, then the questions are:

What did YOU do wrong?

What Scientology tech did you fail to apply?

And, since the tech always works when applied, and ethics is that piece of the tech used to "get in the tech", WHAT ARE YOUR CRIMES AND OVERTS?

I noticed the same dichotomy in Scientology. It came down to this crazy reasoning:

Anything GOOD that happens MUST be a "result of Scientology" and be due to the ethical application of Ron's tech.

Anything BAD that happens is due to YOU. It is due to you failing to apply the tech correctly in the correct situation.

This idea is smashed into the heads of all Scientology members right from the start, and there is a reason why KSW is the FIRST issue at the beginning of EVERY course in Scientology. The attitude in KSW contains the BASIC assumption, which becomes a fixed idea in the minds of each Church member, and that supports the rest of the scam. There is now even a "KSW Course" that is foisted on those who lack some aspect of the KSW fanaticism, and they go OVER AND OVER the ten points until they AGREE completely.

This got so crazy that I remember being told that "ANY good effect MUST be due to Scientology, even if the person or subject in question is not aware that they are using and applying Scientology". The fixed idea was so severe, and was so brutally ingrained, THAT these people truly believed that Hubbard had figured out and explained the BASIC fundamentals of ALL LIFE. Everywhere, forever . . . . .

In a certain sense, a great deal of Scientology "training" is INDOCTRINATION. It isn't about learning valuable skills to make some product, but instead, it involves the implanting of a great many assumptions and theories as FACTS.

Ironically, Scientology tech is not so great at changing and controlling situations, and the idea that it can and does (when properly applied) is just an agreement various folks have made with a rather dumb idea. Hubbard knew that he could change how people viewed reality with ARC, and he has gotten some to VERY MUCH have a VERY different view of reality - that both differs 1) from the views of many other people AND 2) from honest observations of the relevant realities.

The same dichotomy has been applied to "Scientology management". I noticed early on that when stats were up and things were going good that "management is doing so great". But, when things were bad, when lawsuits were hitting the C of S, THEN the viewpoint was that the EVIL SPs are "doing it to us".

Ironically, Hubbard says that "each person is responsible for his or her own condition". He adds that "motivators are caused by YOUR overts and W/Hs".

Except for Scn management that is. When THEY get attacked or suffer from some bad effect, it is NEVER that they are "responsible for their own condition", or that THEY could have O/Ws that are "pulling in the motivator". In their case, it must be Suppressive Persons. In their case, to quote Hubbard from another place, "The WHY IS God"!

Yep, the endless contradictions of the subject of Scientology.

Interestingly, a fixed idea functions as a "held-down seven". Such an idea enters "false data" into ANY calculation. Hubbard created his system of Scientology with an abundnace of these fixed ideas (held-down sevens), so that any person involved would always come up with the same answers and solutions. Talk about "mind control"!

[FinallyMe]

Hmmmm. SO I evidently did not experience what I experienced. Silly me.

[Commander Birdsong]

Totally true, I knew a staff member that had his own company. He would tell me how a rival company wanted to buy him out for almost a million dollars. But, that was all b.s. because he would also tell me how his company was failing miserably. The stupid part is that, the same day he told me about his failing buisness. He would teach a seminar on buisness 30 minutes later. I mean you just told me your buisness was down and falling apart and your giving a training seminar?

those who can do

those who can't teach

[guanoloco]

Totally true, I knew a staff member that had his own company. He would tell me how a rival company wanted to buy him out for almost a million dollars. But, that was all b.s. because he would also tell me how his company was failing miserably. The stupid part is that, the same day he told me about his failing buisness. He would teach a seminar on buisness 30 minutes later. I mean you just told me your buisness was down and falling apart and your giving a training seminar?

those who can do

those who can't teach

There has just got to be some sort of connection to this prophetic wisdom and Ron somewhere but I just can't put my finger on it...

[Commander Birdsong]

those who can't teach administer and those who can't administer govern