German Official Wants Scientology Ban

[Alan]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

German Official Wants Scientology Ban

Dec 3 02:11 PM US/Eastern
1 Comments


BERLIN (AP) - Germany could be asked to ban the U.S.-based Church of Scientology under a Hamburg security official's proposal that contends the group violates human rights.
Hamburg's secretary of the interior, Udo Nagel, plans to seek a nationwide ban of Scientology at this week's meeting of top German security officials, spokeswoman Ulrike Sweden said Monday.

The German government considers Scientology a commercial enterprise that takes advantage of vulnerable people. During the summer, it initially refused to allow the producers of a movie starring Scientology member Tom Cruise as Germany's most famous anti-Hitler plotter to film at the site where the hero was executed, although it did not expressly state Scientology as its reason.

If all 16 states agree to the proposal to ban Scientology, German Interior Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble would be asked to initiate proceedings against it, Sweden said, confirming a report by Focus magazine.

The report quotes Nagel saying that Scientology pursues "anti- constitutional goals in an aggressively fierce" manner that run counter to human rights and dignity.

A spokeswoman for Scientology, Sabine Weber, called Nagel's proposal "more than incomprehensible" and pointed out that the European Court of Human Rights ruled in favor of Scientology when Russia denied its application to register as a religious community.

The United States has said that Germany discriminates against some religious groups, including Scientology, that Germany does not recognize as a religion.

[Peter Schilte]

The Secretaries of Internal Affairs of all German counties (Länder)
had their Autumn conference today in Berlin about banning $cientology.
The Secretary of Internal Affairs of Schleswig Holstein, Stegner, said
they agreed to order the Bundes Secretary of Internal Affairs to
investigate a ban. "This is not only about anti-constitutional goals,
but also about criminal methods." They also agreed to cut finances for
the NPD (Nationalist Party Germany, a Neo-Nazi party.)

[From page 123 of SAT.1 teletext.]
http://www.sat1.de/

[MissDorfl]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

German Official Wants Scientology Ban

Dec 3 02:11 PM US/Eastern
1 Comments


BERLIN (AP) - Germany could be asked to ban the U.S.-based Church of Scientology under a Hamburg security official's proposal that contends the group violates human rights.
Hamburg's secretary of the interior, Udo Nagel, plans to seek a nationwide ban of Scientology at this week's meeting of top German security officials, spokeswoman Ulrike Sweden said Monday.

The German government considers Scientology a commercial enterprise that takes advantage of vulnerable people. During the summer, it initially refused to allow the producers of a movie starring Scientology member Tom Cruise as Germany's most famous anti-Hitler plotter to film at the site where the hero was executed, although it did not expressly state Scientology as its reason.

If all 16 states agree to the proposal to ban Scientology, German Interior Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble would be asked to initiate proceedings against it, Sweden said, confirming a report by Focus magazine.

Judging from the ineffiency of the "Office for the Protection of the Constitution" (Verfassungsschutz) in banning the NPD, I'd say that is not going to happen anytime soon.

A spokeswoman for Scientology, Sabine Weber, called Nagel's proposal "more than incomprehensible" and pointed out that the European Court of Human Rights ruled in favor of Scientology when Russia denied its application to register as a religious community.

Of course, she would say something like that. She's the "Official Spokesliar" for CoS in Germany

The United States has said that Germany discriminates against some religious groups, including Scientology, that Germany does not recognize as a religion.

So, because the US recognises CoS as a "religious group", Germany has to follow? Not so well done, Travolta and Cruise.

Some sfgate comments on the atricle:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...156S50.DTL&o=1

[Colleen K. Peltomaa]

"Violates human rights" caught my eye and definitely needs to be exposed. If the german officials are not just dramatizing their own overts, they might have some success following this line of argument.

[Nec_V20]

Colleen K. Peltomaa,

In their modus operandi, CoS violates Articles 1 and 2 of the German constitution

Those Articles are:

Article 1 [Human dignity]

(1) Human dignity shall be inviolable. To respect and protect it shall be the duty of all state authority.

(2) The German people therefore acknowledge inviolable and inalienable human rights as the basis of every community, of peace and of justice in the world.

(3) The following basic rights shall bind the legislature, the executive, and the judiciary as directly applicable law.


Article 2 [Personal freedoms]

(1) Every person shall have the right to free development of his personality insofar as he does not violate the rights of others or offend against the constitutional order or the moral law.

(2) Every person shall have the right to life and physical integrity. Freedom of the person shall be inviolable. These rights may be interfered with only pursuant to a law.

If CoS operated in Germany as they do in the United States, then by the German Constitution, those responsible would be imprisoned.

Unlike the US, an organisation does not have carte blanche to do whatever it wants, to whomever it wants to do it to, just because it calls itself a religion.

[Royal Prince Xenu]

Colleen K. Peltomaa,

In their modus operandi, CoS violates Articles 1 and 2 of the German constitution

Those Articles are:



If CoS operated in Germany as they do in the United States, then by the German Constitution, those responsible would be imprisoned.

Unlike the US, an organisation does not have carte blanche to do whatever it wants, to whomever it wants to do it to, just because it calls itself a religion.

The Germans are definitely trying to cleanse themselves so they can apply for re-admission to the Human Race. Successfully banning something that is effectively as fascist as the society they are trying to forget may go a long way toward achieving that goal.

[lionheart]

Go Germany Go!

Some people/countries have learned from mistakes of the past. The CofS is incapable of learning or reforming, because of Hubbard's sociopathic personality, which it dramatises.

The CofS days' are numbered. Keep posting your stories of RPF and CofS abuse and there will be only one outcome!

Like a dying, rabid dog, the CofS will snap and snarl. It will accuse Germany of still being fascist but hopefully Germany and the EC will maintain its integrity.

[Royal Prince Xenu]

Go Germany Go!

Some people/countries have learned from mistakes of the past. The CofS is incapable of learning or reforming, because of Hubbard's sociopathic personality, which it dramatises.

The CofS days' are numbered. Keep posting your stories of RPF and CofS abuse and there will be only one outcome!

Like a dying, rabid dog, the CofS will snap and snarl. It will accuse Germany of still being fascist but hopefully Germany and the EC will maintain its integrity.

The EC or the EU or EEC or whatever it calls itself these days is not the most benevolent of organizations itself. RHIP is very strong in the "European" Parliament.

[lionheart]

The EC or the EU or EEC or whatever it calls itself these days is not the most benevolent of organizations itself. RHIP is very strong in the "European" Parliament.

Huh?

I simply meant that the CofS may take any German decision to the EC. It would then be up to the European Court of Justice to uphold a member state decision.

I've no idea what RHIP is. I did a google search and it came up with "Relativistic Heavy Ion Physics! Is that some sort of whole-track reference from the noble Prince Xenu?

[pomfritz]

Glad to see Germany is not buying the PR and is actually seeing the destructive effects this cult has towards individuals and families.