I'm predjudice.

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

I'm predjudice.

I pre-judge people who leave the Church.

I am in contempt for someone who leaves thinking they are one of the real special beings on the planet and others in the Church just don't see it.

I am in contempt for someone who leaves and now says the Church is abusive while for years they sipped ice tea on the decks of the Freewinds as a public and were waited on hand and foot.

These people have my scorn and I will forever hold them in contempt and mock them.

Why? Because they have never reflected on their actions and contributions to the injustice and insanity.

Their only concern is their status.

Don't expect these people to bring about any reform.

The only reform they want is for others to consider and acknowledge them as super-special as they consider themselves.

If a person does not go through some self-reflection and acknowledgement of their weakness and inadequacies that made them a part of that nightmare, then in my book they have only left the buildings, but not the spirit, of the Church and Scientology.

The Anabaptist Jacques

[still here]

I agree.

However in some cases it is worse than that. The kind of ego-maniac we see in Wendy is a dangerous, manipulative and I suspect psychotic. (certainly no sign of any concience, or compassion)

It would not matter what cult she was or was not a part of.

To peddle complete BS to vulnerable or distraught people looking for any solutions, is plain nasty.

There is nothing brave in her. There never was.

All we know is that her perverse and twisted, deluded ideas probably fitted in well with the CofS, for a long time.

We should not give her the time of day. Let's all hope she disappears completely, it will be no loss.

[I told you I was trouble]

Me too TAJ ... even when I was 'in' I thought certain types of scientologists were soppy self indulgent twerps, the only difference now is that I can say so if I feel like it and sometimes I do feel like it.

I of course am very close to being perfect though.

[Smilla]

I've understood why some people automatically give hero status to somebody just because they've left the Cof$

[Good twin]

Taj!

[Gadfly]

I'm predjudice.

I pre-judge people who leave the Church.

I am in contempt for someone who leaves thinking they are one of the real special beings on the planet and others in the Church just don't see it.

(snip)

If a person does not go through some self-reflection and acknowledgement of their weakness and inadequacies that made them a part of that nightmare, then in my book they have only left the buildings, but not the spirit, of the Church and Scientology.

The Anabaptist Jacques

I very much understand what you are saying. I fully grasp the many observations of Scientology and Scientologists that lead to the contempt. But, I don't really have any contempt for them They are like so MANY others who think that they have "all of the answers", and "know what is best for everybody else".

I feel sorry for them.

They are deluded. Majorly so.

Forgive them for they know NOT what they do?

Sure, I get a big belly laugh watching the Indies (Marty's Mindless Morons) wax all indignant against Miscavige, and how they still carry that in-your-face Scientology "certainty" and "knowingness" around.

There are LOTS of people who "think they are really special". Of course, Hubbard set the whole scam/trap up exactly so that Faithful Followers would develop this attitude of "only Scientology - and ME - have the correct answers and the correct path to eternal freedom".

Again, I sort of giggle at their posturing arrogance. I find their shallow certainty truly humorous.

They are like ants - with their chests all pushed out!

I think that you are SPOT-ON when you say, "if a person does not go through some self-reflection and acknowledgement of their weakness and inadequacies that made them a part of that nightmare, then in my book they have only left the buildings, but not the spirit, of the Church and Scientology."

"Self-reflection" is not a quality that I EVER noticed in any Scientologist. To question "self" would be to question the Scientology Dogma and paradigm that one has identified so strongly with. The same with acknowledging their weakness and inadequacies - they would have to also acknowledge the weakness and inadequacies of Hubbard & Scientology.

Hubbard setup the subject of Scientology to push the value of "extroversion", and to denigrate any practice of "introspection". "Looking in", other than with an auditor in a well-controlled Scientology auditing session, is NOT appreciated, or even allowed in the cult.

"Know Thyself" is a phrase with a long tradition. But, to do so one needs to "look inside". In Scientology, there is no interest in "knowing thyself", and only in "knowing what Hubbard tells you is true".

These over-indoctrinated card-carrying Scientologists are ignorant human beings pretending to be otherwise. Hubbard created the Scientology machinery that mass produces such a sorry situation.

They "know not what they do" while parading around as if they KNOW WHAT THEY DO. And, that is "ignorance" at its most basic. "Ignorance" from the eastern interpretation of the term.

From Wikipedia:

"By desire, Buddhists refer to craving pleasure, material goods, and immortality, all of which are wants that can never be satisfied. As a result, desiring them can only bring suffering. Ignorance, in comparison, relates to not seeing the world as it actually is. Without the capacity for mental concentration and insight, Buddhism explains, one's mind is left undeveloped, unable to grasp the true nature of things. Vices, such as greed, envy, hatred and anger, derive from this ignorance.

Ignorance is not only not knowing, but also includes not wanting to know."

Most Scientologists I have ever known DO NOT WANT TO REALLY KNOW. They instead are happy to PRETEND to know.

I don't feel contempt. I feel sorry for them - in all their posturing and contrived glory.

[Claire Swazey]

I think people are just trying to figure out what to do and what to be and all that. I believe this explains people who are off the rails/wrong track/jerks and I believe it explains the more sensible ones.

I have also found that most people are a mixture of sinner and saint. I've seen some awfully smart nice people do some stupid ass things.

[Lucretia]

You know what? This is $cn think. How can you prejudge any one. How can you see into the hearts and minds of anyone and presume to judge. Do you see DB's perchance, or SP's, or wogs or any other of the disgusting labels the cult dehumanises humanity with. The very act of leaving the cult implies some degree of introspection. Some people are blessed with more introspection than others, but having left implies they have seen the ERROR of their ways to some degree.

All the $cns I have ever known were there to better themselves (implying they knew they were not perfect) or to help the planet, or both. The ex-$cns I know are mortified that they were ever a part of the abuse that is $cn, me included. The cult generates a personality - yes and I adopted that personality too, as does everyone associated with the cult, but there is a real person underneath, and they deserve recognition. Leaving the cult is a total paradigm shift - total, and requires introspection and bravery. I turned my back on 30 years of indoctrination, and I am not alone here.

Having said that I do not believe independent $cns have left the cult. They are still part of the mind-fuck. I feel sorry for them and for those still entrapped and enslaved in the established cult.

[DagwoodGum]

I’m predjudice, in contempt, people who leave
“These people have my scorn and I will forever hold them in contempt and mock them”
“they have never reflected on their actions and contributions to the injustice and insanity.”?
"they want is for others to consider and acknowledge them as super-special as they consider themselves."

Why they were even audacious enough to drink ice tea on deck of the Freewinds. I might add that it was more than I've ever paid for ice tea, never having been on the Freewinds.
They, they they …… WTF? Who exactly?

This is the most absurd OP I’ve ever read on a message board, and by a long shot. So you suffered more than they, well that's your cross to bear. People make their choices and live with the consequences. What's the beef? Contempt is all too often an ugly mask for jealousy.
People just leave when they want to leave, so what?

[Claire Swazey]

Having said that I do not believe independent $cns have left the cult. They are still part of the mind-fuck. I feel sorry for them and for those still entrapped and enslaved in the established cult.

Hmm...well, yes and no.

They are still interested in the ideology and there're pitfalls with that, but they aren't part of any group. I'm not splitting hairs here (or hares, either), because they also don't behave as if they were in a group of any sort. They aren't expelling, RPFing, freeloader debt-ing. They aren't presenting a unified front. They aren't KRing.

That counts for a lot.

I've found it's better to do ones' own thing, ideologically speaking, but still, I know a lot of indies and they are quite quite different than they were when they were in CofS and are quite quite different from assholes like Anne Pearce (DSA, Seattle) Miscavige, people like Wendy Honnor, etc.

So while I think some of them may be missing out on some things because there can be a hidebound mindset, by and large, they're a pretty ornery bunch. And if they were more toward what you depict, you wouldn't be seeing any on pickets- yet some of them do picket.