I'm predjudice.

[Good twin]

There are some really decent "out of the cult" Scientologists that I've met since leaving the Co$. Claire used to be one of them. But Claire can't be boxed into any group or category for long. She is the fluffiest and always changing.

I love my squirrel friends. But none them want to be in charge. The ones that do are the clams that scare me. They crave the whole freaking organizational structure and circular cult think. Those are the creepy ones; both in and out.

[Claire Swazey]

And we sure got sick of controlling types...having been in CofS gave us a hell of an allergy to that!!

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

You know what? This is $cn think. How can you prejudge any one. How can you see into the hearts and minds of anyone and presume to judge. Do you see DB's perchance, or SP's, or wogs or any other of the disgusting labels the cult dehumanises humanity with. The very act of leaving the cult implies some degree of introspection. Some people are blessed with more introspection than others, but having left implies they have seen the ERROR of their ways to some degree.

All the $cns I have ever known were there to better themselves (implying they knew they were not perfect) or to help the planet, or both. The ex-$cns I know are mortified that they were ever a part of the abuse that is $cn, me included. The cult generates a personality - yes and I adopted that personality too, as does everyone associated with the cult, but there is a real person underneath, and they deserve recognition. Leaving the cult is a total paradigm shift - total, and requires introspection and bravery. I turned my back on 30 years of indoctrination, and I am not alone here.

Having said that I do not believe independent $cns have left the cult. They are still part of the mind-fuck. I feel sorry for them and for those still entrapped and enslaved in the established cult.

I think the statement you made that I put in bold is your prejudice.

The Anabaptist Jacques

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

I’m predjudice, in contempt, people who leave
“These people have my scorn and I will forever hold them in contempt and mock them”
“they have never reflected on their actions and contributions to the injustice and insanity.”?
"they want is for others to consider and acknowledge them as super-special as they consider themselves."

Why they were even audacious enough to drink ice tea on deck of the Freewinds. I might add that it was more than I've ever paid for ice tea, never having been on the Freewinds.
They, they they …… WTF? Who exactly?

This is the most absurd OP I’ve ever read on a message board, and by a long shot. So you suffered more than they, well that's your cross to bear. People make their choices and live with the consequences. What's the beef? Contempt is all too often an ugly mask for jealousy.
People just leave when they want to leave, so what?

"They" is a personal pronoun.

In my statement it is understood to refer to those who match the attitudes and actions I described.

Context is everything.

It is not that hard of a concept.

The Anabaptist Jacques

[Lucretia]

Hmm...well, yes and no.

I've found it's better to do ones' own thing, ideologically speaking, but still, I know a lot of indies and they are quite quite different than they were when they were in CofS and are quite quite different from assholes like Anne Pearce (DSA, Seattle) Miscavige, people like Wendy Honnor, etc.

I have been recently "disconnected from" by an indie, although he reckons he is quite different from when he was in the cult. Maybe he is not representative, but he is subscribing to the us vs them mentality which is so much a part of the cult. To him I am an SP and I would not expect anything else from a card carrying $cn, indie or otherwise. To my mind, out is out, indie is not out, they're just not in the building.

[Smilla]

I have been recently "disconnected from" by an indie, although he reckons he is quite different from when he was in the cult. Maybe he is not representative, but he is subscribing to the us vs them mentality which is so much a part of the cult. To him I am an SP and I would not expect anything else from a card carrying $cn, indie or otherwise. To my mind, out is out, indie is not out, they're just not in the building.

That's quite true. They still believe the same stuff.

[Claire Swazey]

I have been recently "disconnected from" by an indie, although he reckons he is quite different from when he was in the cult. Maybe he is not representative, but he is subscribing to the us vs them mentality which is so much a part of the cult. To him I am an SP and I would not expect anything else from a card carrying $cn, indie or otherwise. To my mind, out is out, indie is not out, they're just not in the building.

When's the last time you saw a churchie picketing or protesting? Lots of Indies are doing that.

When's the last time you saw a churchie doing their own thing, blowing off class, mixing methods? Indies do it all the time.

Have we somehow missed the high prices, inward facing spikes, freeloader debts and RPF camps in the Free Zone, hmmm?

Maybe they disconnected from you because of your attitude. You feel sorry for them. Although they don't do about 99% of the shit DM does, you feel they're the same. Can you really expect everyone to want to be around someone who opines thus? I mean, I have no problem with associating with whomever, but there are times when, I will eventually cut someone loose if I just can't ever enjoy their company or feel I could trust them.

Your post is imprecise. You could have said you thought there was a similar mindset, or you don't like Hubbard's ideas, find them limiting, think it's a problem if someone's still interested.

But instead, you've written commentary that seems to state that you think they're the same. Even though they have no staff contracts, freeloader debts, high prices, RPF, centralization, murders, isolation watches. Why not criticize people for what they're actually doing rather than imply they do things they don't do?

I wonder what you'll do next time you picket and a Freezoner shows up. Happens all the time. Would that create a sense of cognitive dissonance?

[Smilla]

Tick one box. If you tick more than one box, your choice in invalid. If you tick less than two boxes, your choice is invalid. If you tick none, you are invalid.

1. The previous post was stupid ( )

2. That's a nice hat you're wearing. ( )

[Auditor's Toad]

Aw, there are a few posters here that fit the bill of an arrogant asshole claiming to have left the building but - in reality - they are in the mind fuck of a devotee.

That ain't going to be changed by anybody but the person themself. So what ? There are many many fine people here - and elsewhere - to enjoy the company of.

Let's party !

[Claire Swazey]

That's quite true. They still believe the same stuff.

Not always and not exactly. There's a wide range of beliefs amongst Indies and FZers. They do a lot of cherry picking. I was far from the only one who did that.

Much of what gets deleted/ditched are policy stuff- RPFing, routing forms to get out, freeloader debts, enforced disconnection, that sort of thing. Last I noticed, those things were considered a rather big deal and were major topics of criticism re Hubbardism.