Katie Holmes Finally Dumps Tom Cruise (and hopefully Scientology)

[Lamb]

Yea, but I was at flag when Kelly did her OT VI and she had to do part A in the courseroom with the rest of us that were on OT III at that time....so was Priscilla.

Scientology celebs - the major ones - don't generally go to the orgs. The org staff come to THEM. Think Jessica Rodriguez, and TC's stable of Scientology slaves.

I remember when Kelly Preston did her OT IV at AOLA. She never came near the org. Griffee Blythe went to her house and audited her. She came in to attest, but that was it.

When Kirsty Alley did her 2D co-audit with her non-Scn husband years ago, the auditor (I think that was Griffee too) went to her house.

So, whether or not Tom took the kid to Flag, it doesn't mean that she won't be exposed to Scientology. A lot of these Scn-controlled celebs, at least the big ones, rarely go near an org. They don't have to.

[Lulu Belle]

Yea, but I was at flag when Kelly did her OT VI and she had to do part A in the courseroom with the rest of us that were on OT III at that time....so was Priscilla.

It's true. I think it's more like that when they're doing a course than when they're getting auditing. Priscilla did KTL at AOLA; I think she was on Solo I and II there too.

I don't know why when they are getting auditing that someone goes to their house. It may be if their auditing cycle has some kind of uplines attention that happens. I'm sure that was true with Kirsty's 2D co-audit. That whole thing was very "flappy" from what I recall.

[Kookaburra]

I will put my neck out here and agree. I am happy for Katie that she is out of the cult. She maybe upset about Isabella. However, the media only write to sell their product, and deliver it to those who happily swallow it (bit like when I was in Scientology lol).
I am not defending Scientology at all. Hell, I am out of their with wings sprouted. But prior to being in Scio, Tom Cruise broke up with Nicole Kidman. Now I am an Aussie. Nicole is an Aussie. Tom become Aussie Public Enemy number one. Nicole was suddenly this saint who did not have to spray de-odourizer after going the toilet.
I used to read things about Tom Cruise that seemed fairly innocuous. But the banner would read "what a freak!". So the story and the headline never matched up. He was destroyed in the media here.
I did not trust the media prior to Scientology. They are not accurate and destroy people.
I came to this message board to get some truth. I certainly have done and more. It has been a revelation and I am grateful to whoever started this. However, I don't believe everything I read here. If an author in here is swearing and gesticulating without being accurate I ignore it. But there are people here who were involved in Scio for reasonable to long periods of time, who write passionately without the diatribe. Those are the ones I have been taking notice of and always look forward to their posts

Another Aussie! Welcome!

It's true, Tom's reputation here is mud. Aussies love "our Nic".

Tom was actually in Scn way before Nicole. He was gotton in by his first wife, Mimi Rogers. That relationship was not pleasing to the Scio gods of the dwarf variety, and the marriage was quickly and quietly deep sixed while Tom was romancing Nicole on the set of Days of Thunder. He drifted away from Scn while married to Nicole and was brought back to the fold in the latter years. Nicole was not sufficiently indoctrinated and held onto her own beliefs. I believe Tom was ordered to divorce her.

[JackStraw]

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I don't know why when they are getting auditing that someone goes to their house. It may be if their auditing cycle has some kind of uplines attention that happens. I'm sure that was true with Kirsty's 2D co-audit. That whole thing was very "flappy" from what I recall.

In their own homes they know where the video cameras are!

Jack

[Smurf]

This is Suri's new school.. she starts on Tuesday after Labor Day. Tuition: $40,000 a year. It's not a Catholic school.

http://www.avenues.org/

[Claire Swazey]

I wonder if that really is the case and Katie found out and divorced him.

I wonder, too. My guess- uninformed as it probably is- is that Katie had the schoolgirl crush on TC, married him, and didn't really realize she was marrying into a cult. The signs were there but it's one thing to have those clues and another to really live in a situation and hindsight's 20/20 anyway.

I think she saw how invasive it was- after having those minders and all that, how could she not- and also that Tom was getting more and more fanatical (I believe he's been fervent for many years, but from what a former insider told a friend of mine, I think he used to be more level headed about it.) and finally she hit the wall, the last straw was placed.

It had to be incredibly creepy to have DM hanging around and even going on their honeymoon with them. No way could she have bargained for that or liked it. Even if DM weren't so fucking weird (and he is)- even having the nicest charmingest friend go with you on your wedding trip would antagonize most spouses. And DM is anything but nice, charming or normal, though I'm sure he can dial up some fairly decent social manners when he has to.

Katie probably would have known about Tom threatening to help DM beat staff. She may even have seen some of the Sea Org slavery to which Tom used to his advantage. I know the cult tries to keep a lot of that under wraps- but the thing is, if you've got someone who accepts those things as his due then eventually it would be pretty conspicuous and not hidden, which means the spouse would be fully exposed to it or at least seen some very blatant signs.

You'd have to be pretty conditioned to accept slavery. It's one thing to be a Scn'ist and do the daily juggling/rationalization/mental gymnastics they have to do. It's entirely another to be witnessing that stuff while not being a Scn'ist.

That's probably why TC tries to convert these women he marries and dates. Let's assume that he really loved Katie, really loved Nicole, really loved Penelope- at some point in their relationships. It's possible. And Tony Ortega says he's very sure that TC is hetero. My personal guess is maybe about 2 to 2.5 on the Kinsey Scale...but anyway, it would be like any fundie- they don't do so well with what they call "mixed marriages" (by "mixed marriage"- I am not referring to interracial relationships. It's a term that Catholics used to and maybe still do use a lot to mean interfaith.). They really really don't. It's threatening to their peace of mind and causes lots of problems when they have children- as we've seen with Suri.

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Katie Holmes is keeping her divorce "in perspective"
September 7, 2012, 8:27 | newidea

The actress and rising fashion star has opened up about her split.


Katie Holmes, 33, whose divorce from 50-year-old Rock of Ages star Tom Cruise was finalised in August, spoke to Women's Wear Daily about her high-profile split.

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She explained: "I have a lot of feelings about the press. There are a lot of people with much bigger problems and who are less fortunate.

"I try to keep it all in perspective."

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She looks amazing! I love that outfit!

[Esco]

This is how retarded $cientology is,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...iefs-Suri.html

'If Tom was any other Scientologist, including lesser celebrities, he would not be allowed to continue seeing and maintaining communication with Katie or Suri, because they are no longer in Scientology.'

I mean, can you believe that?? An organization that doesnt even allow a father to see his own daughter because they're no longer with Scientology.

Unbelievable!!