Martyworld Tech

[looker]

Yep Tech theft LRH was great at that.

From what I've accidentally bumped into and read; Luckily SOME of the old timers are digging up stuff that worked from the 1960s research teams. But are not calling it Scientology. It might be referred to as Allan's stuff or John McMaster's stuff or Creation of Human Ability stuff, Pilots stuff Paul's stuff.

I think if somebody wants to do that and it works for them and does no harm, that's great for them.

[Veda]

"Close to a hundred former members of the Church of Scientology have sojourned to our home to resolve their Scientology experiences. The vast majority leave still considering themselves Scientologists, and better ones than they were when they arrived. A smaller part of that majority continue on with their pursuit of higher levels of Scientology counseling and studies."

Marty Rathbun, from 'What's Wrong with Scientology?'





"Every individual person has their own comm line to LRH. And certain things have happened in the Church over a number of years that have gotten in between that comm line... ARC broken... whatever it is, that serves to cut across your comm line with LRH...

"Whatever is going to facilitate your own comm line with LRH is going to be the most pro-survival thing for you..."

Dan Koon, editor for 'What's Wrong with Scientology?'

[PirateAndBum]

Fading off into a recent daydream of Marty's....

In what was, perhaps, the apex in the history of LRH-besmirching, Judge Paul Breckenridge wrote, in his summation, at the 1984 Armstrong vs Church of Scientology court case:

"...The organization clearly is schizophrenic and paranoid, and this bizarre combination seems to be a reflection of its founder LRH. The evidence portrays a man who has been virtually a pathological liar...

"The writings and documents in evidence additionally reflect his egotism, greed, avarice, lust for power, and vindictiveness and aggressiveness against persons perceived by him to be disloyal or hostile.

"At the same time it appears that he is charismatic and highly capable of motivating, organizing, controlling, manipulating, and inspiring his adherents..."


That sure is a lot of natter, yet a little over 25 years later, after visiting with Marty...


Emerging from a visit with Marty Rathbun, now retired Superior Court Judge Paul G. Breckenridge was quick to clarify his comments of over a quarter century ago:

"I know that, regarding L. Ron Hubbard, I wrote and said that, 'the evidence portrays a man who has been virtually a pathological liar when it comes to his history, background and achievements', and that, 'the writings and documents in evidence additionally reflect his egotism, greed, avarice, lust for power, and vindictiveness and aggressiveness against persons perceived by him to be disloyal or hostile.' And I know I wrote and said that Mr. Hubbard 'manipulated' Scientologists, but I was way out of line in all of that, and just plain wrong.

"After spending some time with the charming Mr. Rathbun, I can see that L. Ron Hubbard was a fine and brilliant man, and I have come to realize that what I have written and said, in the past, may have injured the applied religious philosophy of Scientology, which in my studied opinion may be the only hope for sanity in future generations. My hope, now, is that those who have abandoned Scientology in disillusionment will recognize that there is nothing really wrong with Scientology, other than its current leader David Miscavige, and the misunderstandings and misapplications that this suppressive Miscavige person has brought about, and that they will consider returning to this wonderful applied religious philosophy and being Scientologists again."

Rathbun and the retired Judge embraced warmly, and the elderly Judge could be overheard humming the 'Moving on up!' theme song as he walked to his car. "I'll be back in a month to start my adventure up Ron's Bridge!" were the Judge's parting words, as he drove off happily.

Marty's statement concerning the people who come to him, combined with Dan Koon's statement, in the top post video, about how we all have a comm line to LRH and, in effect, LRH equals Survival, etc., pretty much sum up the inner wackiness if this alternate Hubbard cult.

Yikes! Marty, Marty, Marty! This makes it quite clear where his head is at. Maybe another 8 years out and he'll see his folly. One can hope.

[Mike Laws]

Hi Mike,

What you're saying is out of accord with what Rathbun says in his book, and in his other writings and talks. Rathbun and the Indies target Scientologists who are exiting Scientology, Inc. Rathbun's virtual "blow drill" for these people is only part of it of course.

Caroline,

I have not actually read his book, so don't know what he says about it. What I know about it is here is a station, in coordination with other stations, but not all stations. There are at least a dozen people on ESMB that work on it, few if any Marty or Scilon fans. I know anons that are part of the network, as well as people that were never involved in any aspect of Scientology. I take mild offense to the insinuation, as I suspect would more long term and dedicated people supporting the railroad like Chuck Beaty, and die hard aussies and all of those who don't want public recognition or fame. Ursula Caberta is absolutely part of the network, and has done more than any other person to help many dozens of people in Germany.

It is, IMHO people who have gone through hell working to help others recover with less time in hell. It is a good thing, a loose network of

[Mark A. Baker]

... It is, IMHO people who have gone through hell working to help others recover with less time in hell. It is a good thing, a loose network of

Absolutely, Mike. The important thing is the work being done to help people escape an abusive cult. Their beliefs and ideology are not a key determinant.


Mark A. Baker

[Caroline]

I wrote this KR to debrief on a handling I did on my former husband after he exposed himself prematurely to the Xenu incident. I remember being petrified that he would get pneumonia and die.

Ethics Section
Eric Reinertsen
Caroline Reinertsen

14 July 86

Eric Reinertsen
Knowledge Report

Around April or May 1986, Eric confessed to me that he had bought & read an LA Times article concerning OT 3. The day before we had heard at the office I believe that there was an article in the Times. It was discussed that the Times was entheta & Eric also knew that the paper had previously printed confidential stuff in it. Eric told me he read the whole article. I called Eric's FSM [1] & also wrote up the scene to Eric's C/S [2] (He was on OT 1 at the time, as I recall.) According to Eric's FSM, the correct handling was to DA [3] the material, which I did.

Later, when Eric was on OT 3 theory, he commented that what he was studying clarified what was in the Times.

(my sig)

[1] FSM: Field Staff member.

[2] C/S: Case supervisor

[3] DA: Dead agent. I DAed the article by saying that what was written about OT 3 was false. It was not false.

One of the most embarrassing things about this KR is how it demonstrates such an amazing lack of insight about this ridiculous handling. "Lie to your husband about Xenu, so he won't get pneumonia and die." I was so relieved that it worked.

In light of the above KR, Rathbun's and the Indies' handling for the Xenu story doesn't seem so odd to me. But it is every bit as stupid and dishonest.

[Veda]

[Note: J. Swift was once a critic of Scientology who, for unknown reasons, had become a passionate supporter of Marty&Mike&Friends. He has since disappeared, and there is no desire to revisit any old arguments with this material, but it does seem to be relevant to the current situation, with regard to showing patterns.]

J. Swift noted, "Unlike the scofflaw Gerry Armstrong, David Mayo signed a non-disclosure agreement and abides by the terms."

"Scofflaw"?

One wonders about the ultimate motive behind the game being played. As much as I dislike Miscavige, and as much as I appreciate any one who is contributing to the already decades-long exposure of Miscavige's abuses, I, for one, am not interested in being a manipulated or "played."


A J. Swift quote, an excerpt:

"Where Scientology is concerned, Mainstream Culture has swung to supporting the Independent practice of Scientology...

"There are no mainstream journalists, academics, or popular authors who oppose Independent Scientology.

"Those of us who support the Indies are growing in numbers."


This is where we are being led, and I am not interested in going there.

We are experiencing an attempted "handling."

[Caroline]

Caroline,

I have not actually read his book, so don't know what he says about it. What I know about it is here is a station, in coordination with other stations, but not all stations. There are at least a dozen people on ESMB that work on it, few if any Marty or Scilon fans. I know anons that are part of the network, as well as people that were never involved in any aspect of Scientology. I take mild offense to the insinuation, as I suspect would more long term and dedicated people supporting the railroad like Chuck Beaty, and die hard aussies and all of those who don't want public recognition or fame. Ursula Caberta is absolutely part of the network, and has done more than any other person to help many dozens of people in Germany.

It is, IMHO people who have gone through hell working to help others recover with less time in hell. It is a good thing, a loose network of

I would like to read the rest of your explanation or thought, please. To my knowledge, Rathbun has never denied using Scientology tech on his targeted public.

Over time Jason and I reckoned that during our week together we created a momentum that allowed us to eventually not only put our negative church experiences behind us but also to move on and up with our own spiritual journeys.   Given that Jason never reached out again for more Scientology counseling, he came to a conclusion I could not have predicted.   Jason told me that “problems created by Scientology need to be resolved with Scientology.” That resonated as truth to me.   It served to inform my decision to devote my attention to solving problems created by Scientology with Scientology.   I decided that the manner in which he and I used certain Scientology tools was how they were intended to be used upon their creation.   I recognized that there were probably more people in the world, by several multiples, who had experienced misuse of those tools and had left the increasingly corporatized churches of Scientology than there were of those who remained.   I decided that I had a right, even a duty, to try to do what I could for that majority.

Rathbun, Mark 'Marty' (2012-06-24). What Is Wrong With Scientology?: Healing Through Understanding

[HelluvaHoax!]

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"Every individual person has their own com line with LRH."

Okay, I got that. I really duplicate that. Let me find my own com line with LRH, make myself known and find out what is needed and wanted.

How do I find him? Jeez! Okay, let me just locate "the being".

I am picking up that he is out there (pointing up) in outer space. That indicates.

Wait, I think I just found him. Ummmm, he is a used car salesman on Krzheb. That's kind of disappointing, but I did it, I have a com line.

(SENDING IN THE THETA UNIVERSE): "Hey Ron, it's me, HelluvaHoax!"

Ron is not answering. Let me try again.

"RON? RON? RONNNNNN?"

I guess he is kinda busy right now closing a deal with a customer. Let me see what he is saying. . .

(RON): "This baby is a cream puff--this car is going to change your life. Let me tell you a fact about this particular car. Back when I was living on Earth I had this very same model and it brought me unbelievable luck. True story. You see, I was blind and crippled, but after I bought it, I was totally cured. Well, naturally the governments of Earth invited me to lecture the entire world about this miracle. And--now I wasn't expecting anything like this--but all the people demanded that I become the King of Earth. So I ruled them and created a world without war and insanity and criminality. They begged me to stay, but I told them I needed to travel to all the planets and disseminate this miracle good luck technology to all the people in the universe. Now, we've only got one of these cars left in stock, so before I can sell it to you, I will need to approve your ethics and contributions to my private non-profit foundation. Hey, I can't just sell this car to anybody!"

Wow, Ron is just staring at him and smiling that big weird Ron grin and the customer is getting seriously creeped out. OMG, the guy is reaching for his checkbook.

Ron always was a closer. And VVGI's too!

[HelluvaHoax!]

So who is more KSW? Indies or FZ?

ANSWER: The FZ. Ron's Org in particular. They are the only one that stayed on Source with truly pathetic, mental, cringey music.