Quentin Hubbard - cover up and erasure

[Veda]

Mainly for newbie lurkers:

[Veda]

Quentin Hubbard, driven to suicide by his father, 1976



The 12 February 1967 Policy Letter 'Admin Know-How, the Responsibility of Leaders' -a.k.a. The Bolivar Policy Letter:

"[The power asks] 'What are those dead bodies doing at the door'. And if you [the subordinate] are clever, you never let it be known HE [the power] killed them - that weakens you and also hurts the power source. 'Well, boss about all those dead bodies, nobody at all will suppose you did it. She over there, those pink legs sticking out, didn't like me'. 'Well', he'll say if he really is a power, 'Why are you bothering me with it if it's done and you did it. Where's my blue ink?...

"...always push power in the direction of anyone on whose power you depend. It may be more money for the power, or more ease, or a snarling defense of the power to the critic, or even the dull thud of one of his enemies in the dark, or the glorious blaze of a whole enemy camp as a birthday surprise...

"...Real powers are developed by tight conspiracies of this kind... and if they are right and also manage their man [the power] and keep him from collapsing from overwork, bad temper or bad data, a kind of juggernaut builds up."


According to L. Ron Hubbard, sexual perverts, including homosexuals, are made by:

Kicking a baby's head in,
running over him with a steamroller,
cutting him in half with a rusty knife,
boiling him in Lysol,
and all the while with crazy people
screaming the most horrifying
and unprintable things at him.

From 'Dianetics, The Modern Science of Mental Health'


"Hubbard's statement to us was that it's going to take a lot more Ethics and a lot more punishment than anyone can easily face up to, to get this world back in shape." Hana Eltringham




When Hubbard's son, Quentin, after having been RPFed twice by his father, committed suicide in 1976, his death was covered up, and Quentin quickly became invisible, having been Scientologically "erased." There was no memorial service for Quentin. Regarded as an embarrassment, he was officially forgotten.

[HelluvaHoax!]

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If I was hooked up to an e-meter and someone showed me proof that Hubbard had Quentin killed, I probably would not have a needle read.

I am not supposing that it actually happened, but if I learned that it did, that would not surprise me.

In a sense, the fact that a person who knows Scientology as well and intimately as I do can even say (or think) that is poignant testimony to how utterly corrupt and contemptible L. Ron Hubbard (and his cult assigns) have proven themselves to be--to a person (me) who once fully trusted them.

Aside from certain mafia or outlaw bikers that I had occasion to meet in my oft-times colorful life, I honestly cannot say that there is anyone I have ever encountered that I would presume to be fully capable of cold-blooded murder, aside from Hubbard and Miscavige.

I am wondering, do you think this post would this make a good Success Story for Scientology?

[Ogsonofgroo]

Quentin's story is tragic, not only shunned by his father, belittled and demeaned for his aspirations, brutalised by his own dear old dad for questioning 'the sauce's irrefutable brilliance', he was just trying to get out on his own and was killed for it.
Hm, did I say killed? Yep, that is my thought on it. I've read a number of accounts on his state of mind, read the reports, and it always struck me as odd on several fronts, from the plates taken off the car (figure that mess out), to the location and time of his coma, it all fucking stinks, it always has, no less than Shawn L's mysterious change of mind. So many things that don't fit well when you look at the big picture.
I'm not a conspiracy buff or anything of the sort, but sometimes shit just smells bad, real bad, and one of the stinkiest piles I have ever found is pretty much anything that deals in-and-around anything Hubbard had his greedy little claws on, past and present.

Fucking cult is dangerous fucking cult imho.

RIP victims all. :(

[Wants2Talk]

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If I was hooked up to an e-meter and someone showed me proof that Hubbard had Quentin killed, I probably would not have a needle read.

I am not supposing that it actually happened, but if I learned that it did, that would not surprise me.

In a sense, the fact that a person who knows Scientology as well and intimately as I do can even say (or think) that is poignant testimony to how utterly corrupt and contemptible L. Ron Hubbard (and his cult assigns) have proven themselves to be--to a person (me) who once fully trusted them.

Aside from certain mafia or outlaw bikers that I had occasion to meet in my oft-times colorful life, I honestly cannot say that there is anyone I have ever encountered that I would presume to be fully capable of cold-blooded murder, aside from Hubbard and Miscavige.

I am wondering, do you think this post would this make a good Success Story for Scientology?

Let us say Daddy was disappointed...again...his first born son whom he trusted enough to share the real deal truth (soul cracking of young women through "drug assisted" sex) had left him ad spill the beans

see pethouse iterview http://anti-scientologie.ch/interview-dewolfe.htm

"...Penthouse: You mentioned that Scientology attracted a great many well-known or important people. Can you give us some examples ?

Hubbard: Two of the people we were involved with in the late fifties in England were Errol Flynn and a man who was high up in the Labor Party at the time. My father and Errol Flynn were very similar. They were only interested in money, sex, booze, and drugs. At that time, in the late fifties, Flynn was pretty much of a burned-out hulk. But he was involved in smuggling deals with my father: gold from the Mediterranean, and some drugs --mostly cocaine. They were both just a little larger than life. I had to admire my father from one standpoint. As I've said, he was a down-and-out, broke science-fiction writer, and then he writes one book of science-fiction and convinces the world it's true.

He sells it to millions of people and gets billions of dollars and everyone thinks he's some sort of deity. He was really bigger than life. Flynn was like that, too. You could say many negative things about the two of them, but they did as they pleased and lived as they pleased. It was always fun to sit there at dinner and listen to these two guys rap. Wild people. Errol Flynn was like my father also in that he would do anything for money. He would take anything to bed --boys, girls, Fifty-year-old women, ten-year-old boys, Flynn and my father had insatiable appetites. Tons of mistresses. They lived very high on the hog.

Penthouse: And what about this Labor Party official ?

Hubbard: He was a double agent for the KGB and for the British intelligence agency. He was also a raging homosexual. He wanted my father to use his black-magic, soul-cracking, brainwashing techniques on young boys. He wanted these boys as his own sexual slaves. He wanted to use my father's techniques to crack people's heads open because he was very influential in and around the British government --plus he was selling information to the Russians. And so was my father.

Penthouse: Your father was selling information to the Soviets ?

Hubbard: Yes. That's where my father got the money to buy St. Hill Manor in East Grinstead, Sussex, which is the English headquarters of Scientology today.

Penthouse: What information did your father have to sell the Soviet government ?

Hubbard: He didn't do any spying himself. What he normally did was allow these strange little people to go into the offices and into his home at odd hours of the night. He told me that he was allowing the KGB to go through our files, and that he was charging £40,000 for it. This was the money he used for the purchase of St. Hill Manor.

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[Wants2Talk]

L. Ron Hubbard Jr. Speaks On His Father

From Penthouse 1983 interview with L Ron Hubbard Jr.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/sc.../scien240.html

Ron Jr. says that he remembers much of his childhood. He claims to recall, at six years, a vivid scene of his father performing an abortion ritual on his mother with a coat hanger.

Ron Hubbard Jr. remembers that when he was ten years old, his father, in an attempt to get his son in tune with his black magic worship, laced the young Hubbard's bubble gum with Phenobarbital. According to Ron Jr. drugs were an important part of Ron Jr.'s growing up, as his father believed that they were the best way to get closer to Satan--the Antichrist of black magic.

"In my father's private circle," Ron Jr explains, "there were lots of mistresses. When I was younger, I participated in private orgies with him and three or four other women. His theory was that one has to open or crack a woman's soul in order for the satanic power to pour through it and into him. It got kind of far out, culminating in a variety of sex acts. Dad also had an incredibly violent temper. He was into S & M and would beat his mistresses and shoot them full of drugs."

When asked by a interviewer how this "soul-cracking" worked, L Ron Hubbard Jr said, "The explanation is sort of long and complicated. The basic rationale is that there are some powers in this universe that are pretty strong.

"As an example, Hitler was involved in the same black magic and the same occult practices that my father was. The identical ones. Which, as I have said, stem clear back to before Egyptian times. It's a very secret thing. Very powerful and very workable and very dangerous.

Brainwashing is nothing compared to it. The proper term would be "soul cracking."

"It's like cracking open the soul, which then opens various doors to the power that exists, the satanic and demonic powers. Simply put, it's like a tunnel or an avenue or a doorway. Pulling that power into yourself through another person--and using women, especially is incredibly insidious.

"It makes Dr. Fu Manchu look like a kindergarten student. It is the ultimate vampirism, the ultimate mind f**k. Instead of going for blood, you're going for their soul. And you take drugs in order to reach that state where you can, quite literally, like a psychic hammer, break their soul, and pull the power through.

"He designed his Scientology Operating Thetan techniques (Scientology's secret initiations) to do the same thing. But, of course, it takes a couple of hundred hours of auditing and mega thousands of dollars for the privilege of having your head turned into a glass Humpty Dumpty--shattered into a million pieces. It may sound like incredible gibberish, but it made my father a fortune."

The materials of the Operating Thetan techniques [the Fishman documents] are the reason for the raids mentioned earlier.)

"... Also I've got to complete this by saying that he thought of himself as the Beast 666 Incarnate." Interviewer: "The devil?" Ron Jr: "Yes. Aleister Crowley thought of himself as such. And when Crowley died in 1947 my father then decided that he should wear the cloak of the beast; and become the most powerful being in the universe.

"Scientology is black magic that is spread out over a long time period. To perform black magic generally takes a few hours or at most; a few weeks. But in Scientology it is stretched out over a lifetime and so you don't see it. Black magic is the inner core of Scientology - and it is probably the only part of Scientology that really works.

"Also you've got to realize that my father did not worship Satan. He thought he was Satan. He was one with Satan. He had a direct pipeline of communication and power with him. My father wouldn't have worshipped anything, I mean. When you think you're the most powerful being in the universe, you have no respect for anything let alone worship.

"... The one super-secret sentence that Scientology is built on is: 'Do as thou wilt. That is the whole of the law.' It also comes from the black magic, from Aleister Crowley. It means that you are a law unto yourself, that you are above the law, that you create your own law. You are above any other human considerations."

The following is from a piece, written by L. Ron Hubbard Jr. about his father in 1985 entitled "Philadelphia."

"We were in Philadelphia. It was November 1952. Dianetics was all but forgotten; Scientology, a new science,' had become the focus of attention. Every night, in the hotel, in preparation for the next day's lecture, he'd pace the floor, exhilarated by this or that passage from Aleister Crowley's writings. Just a month before, he had been in London, where he had finally been able to quench his thirst; to fill his cup with the true, raw, naked power of magic. The lust of centuries at his very fingertips.

"To stroke and taste the environs of the Great Beast, to fondle Crowley's books, papers, and memorabilia had filled him with pure ecstasy! In London he had acquired, at last, the final keys; enabling him to take his place upon the Throne of the Beast,' to which he firmly believed himself to be the rightful heir. The tech gushed forth and resulted in the Philadelphia Doctorate Course lectures."

[Veda]

L. Ron Hubbard Jr. Speaks On His Father

From Penthouse 1983 interview with L Ron Hubbard Jr.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/sc.../scien240.html

Ron Jr. says that he remembers much of his childhood. He claims to recall, at six years, a vivid scene of his father performing an abortion ritual on his mother with a coat hanger.

Ron Hubbard Jr. remembers that when he was ten years old, his father, in an attempt to get his son in tune with his black magic worship, laced the young Hubbard's bubble gum with Phenobarbital. According to Ron Jr. drugs were an important part of Ron Jr.'s growing up, as his father believed that they were the best way to get closer to Satan--the Antichrist of black magic.

"In my father's private circle," Ron Jr explains, "there were lots of mistresses. When I was younger, I participated in private orgies with him and three or four other women. His theory was that one has to open or crack a woman's soul in order for the satanic power to pour through it and into him. It got kind of far out, culminating in a variety of sex acts. Dad also had an incredibly violent temper. He was into S & M and would beat his mistresses and shoot them full of drugs."

When asked by a interviewer how this "soul-cracking" worked, L Ron Hubbard Jr said, "The explanation is sort of long and complicated. The basic rationale is that there are some powers in this universe that are pretty strong.

"As an example, Hitler was involved in the same black magic and the same occult practices that my father was. The identical ones. Which, as I have said, stem clear back to before Egyptian times. It's a very secret thing. Very powerful and very workable and very dangerous.

Brainwashing is nothing compared to it. The proper term would be "soul cracking."

"It's like cracking open the soul, which then opens various doors to the power that exists, the satanic and demonic powers. Simply put, it's like a tunnel or an avenue or a doorway. Pulling that power into yourself through another person--and using women, especially is incredibly insidious.

"It makes Dr. Fu Manchu look like a kindergarten student. It is the ultimate vampirism, the ultimate mind f**k. Instead of going for blood, you're going for their soul. And you take drugs in order to reach that state where you can, quite literally, like a psychic hammer, break their soul, and pull the power through.

"He designed his Scientology Operating Thetan techniques (Scientology's secret initiations) to do the same thing. But, of course, it takes a couple of hundred hours of auditing and mega thousands of dollars for the privilege of having your head turned into a glass Humpty Dumpty--shattered into a million pieces. It may sound like incredible gibberish, but it made my father a fortune."

The materials of the Operating Thetan techniques [the Fishman documents] are the reason for the raids mentioned earlier.)

"... Also I've got to complete this by saying that he thought of himself as the Beast 666 Incarnate." Interviewer: "The devil?" Ron Jr: "Yes. Aleister Crowley thought of himself as such. And when Crowley died in 1947 my father then decided that he should wear the cloak of the beast; and become the most powerful being in the universe.

"Scientology is black magic that is spread out over a long time period. To perform black magic generally takes a few hours or at most; a few weeks. But in Scientology it is stretched out over a lifetime and so you don't see it. Black magic is the inner core of Scientology - and it is probably the only part of Scientology that really works.

"Also you've got to realize that my father did not worship Satan. He thought he was Satan. He was one with Satan. He had a direct pipeline of communication and power with him. My father wouldn't have worshipped anything, I mean. When you think you're the most powerful being in the universe, you have no respect for anything let alone worship.

"... The one super-secret sentence that Scientology is built on is: 'Do as thou wilt. That is the whole of the law.' It also comes from the black magic, from Aleister Crowley. It means that you are a law unto yourself, that you are above the law, that you create your own law. You are above any other human considerations."

The following is from a piece, written by L. Ron Hubbard Jr. about his father in 1985 entitled "Philadelphia."

"We were in Philadelphia. It was November 1952. Dianetics was all but forgotten; Scientology, a new science,' had become the focus of attention. Every night, in the hotel, in preparation for the next day's lecture, he'd pace the floor, exhilarated by this or that passage from Aleister Crowley's writings. Just a month before, he had been in London, where he had finally been able to quench his thirst; to fill his cup with the true, raw, naked power of magic. The lust of centuries at his very fingertips.

"To stroke and taste the environs of the Great Beast, to fondle Crowley's books, papers, and memorabilia had filled him with pure ecstasy! In London he had acquired, at last, the final keys; enabling him to take his place upon the Throne of the Beast,' to which he firmly believed himself to be the rightful heir. The tech gushed forth and resulted in the Philadelphia Doctorate Course lectures."

I'm not sure how this thread became about L. Ron Hubbard Jr., but it's not compltely inappropriate that Ron Jr, is mentioned.

Penthouse: "Did he [Hubbard Sr.] encourage you to use drugs?"

Hubbard Jr.: "Well, he used them with me. He was a real night person. We used to sit around at night, sit around his office or home, get loaded up, and talk... He started out by mixing phenobarbital in my bubble gum, when I was ten years old. This was to induce deeper trances in order to practice the black magic..."

From L. Ron Hubbard Sr.'s 1946 'Affirmations':

"Your psychology is good. You worked to darken your own children. This failure with them [Ron Jr., and his younger sister Katherine] was only apparent. The evident lack of effectiveness was 'ordered'. The same psychology works perfectly on everyone else. You use it with great confidence...

"Darkness is a cloak you may don. Your guardian and your own courage protect you utterly in darkness. You control anything you meet in darkness for that is part of your universe...
...

"Your writing has a deep hypnotic effect on people and they are always pleased with what you write...

"Your psychology is true and wonderful. It hypnotizes people. It predicts their emotions, for you are their ruler."

As a non-sequitur comment, at the beginning of the first 'Philadelphia Doctorate Course' lecture of 1952: "...the prince of darkness. Who do you think I am?" [audience chuckles].

Poor Nibs.

The first "Ron's Org" SP Declare I ever read was the one on L. Ron Hubbard Jr. (Nibs). It was in a notebook owned by the person who is currently the Senior C/S for Ron's Orgs in the USA:

"Sector Ethics Order:

"Ron De Wolfe, alias Nibs Hubbard, alias L. Ron Hubbard Junior

"...He has recently come under direct influence of the infamous suppressive implanter known as Xenu, subject of Ethics Order No. 1 (written in 1967 by Elron Elray)...

"Astar Paramejgian

"Deputy Sector Commander"

The use of "alias" for dramatic effect is another echo of L. Ron Hubbard, whose (perceived) enemies were invariably communists, criminals, or sex perverts; for example, according to the founder of Scientology, his 2nd wife was a Russian spy, sent in to run a covert operation on Dianetics:

"Sara Komkovadamanov, alias Northrup..."

Good ol' Captain Bill. And to think his Ron's Orgs flying saucer cult is the number one FZ group. http://galac-patra.narod.ru/index.html Oh well.

As for Ron Jr., or Nibs, his comments can be found in that 'Penthouse' magazine interview, and a few TV interviews, a piece titled 'Philadelphia', and a tape called 'Nibs to the Field'. There are five pages of material, from Ron Jr., in the book, 'L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman?', and, incidentally, all the Nibs' material used in 'Madman?' was supported by others' testimony and by court's evidence.

There's a confusion re. the 'Penthouse' article, as stories told to Ron Jr., by his father, were presented as being believed by Ron Jr. Ron Jr. believed some of it, not all of it, and was uncertain about some things. That's one category: Things he was *told* by his father. His father *told* him (he was 17 in 1950) that he was selling secrets to the Russians, just as his father told Scientologists so many things. And, not unlike the ex-Scientologists who are still "sorting it out" and recovering, so did Ron Jr. attempt to do so.

Of course, Ron Jr. had the problem of having been Fair Gamed, by his father and Scientology, for most of his life. The two "buttons" that Scientology Inc. went after were "family, wife, children," and "money, jobs." Scientology Inc. was relentless.

As a result, he signed two retractions: one after the birth of his youngest son in the early 1970s - his son had downs syndrome and Nibs and his wife were faced with additional stresses and expenses - and one after a serious physical illness in the mid 1980s that resulted in his being hospitalized. He had no health insurance.

Ron Jr. was told many things by his father, but he also *witnessed* his father's behavior: his father throwing dinner plates against walls, his father drinking heavily, and his father using drugs; he witnessed his father's fascination with the writings of Aleister Crowley, and with the darkest aspects of the occult, witnessed his father's use of self-hypnosis with the 'Affirmations' - the 'Affirmations' beginning in the late 1930s. He also witnessed his father secretly hoarding cash, then telling creditors he had no money, and he witnessed the contempt with which his father regarded Scientologists, the Scientologists to whom his father had repeatedly lied.

All this, and more, has since been confirmed.

And then there are Ron Jr.'s opinions.

However, Ron Jr. was told so many tall tales by his father, that he spent the rest of his life trying to sort it out, and free himself from his father's manipulations. And he said so.

Over-all, Ron's Jr.'s information - the key points - have been confirmed by other sources. He spoke out before the Internet, when his mention of his father using drugs brought ridicule, and worse.

And he's the only Hubbard son or daughter who has had the courage to speak out publicly.

[Veda]

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If I was hooked up to an e-meter and someone showed me proof that Hubbard had Quentin killed, I probably would not have a needle read.

I am not supposing that it actually happened, but if I learned that it did, that would not surprise me.

In a sense, the fact that a person who knows Scientology as well and intimately as I do can even say (or think) that is poignant testimony to how utterly corrupt and contemptible L. Ron Hubbard (and his cult assigns) have proven themselves to be--to a person (me) who once fully trusted them.

Aside from certain mafia or outlaw bikers that I had occasion to meet in my oft-times colorful life, I honestly cannot say that there is anyone I have ever encountered that I would presume to be fully capable of cold-blooded murder, aside from Hubbard and Miscavige.

I am wondering, do you think this post would this make a good Success Story for Scientology?

It would not be out of character for Scientology to kill someone and then make it appear to have been a suicide, but, as far as I know, that Quentin was murdered is only speculation.

However the cover up and "erasure" of Quentin's passing was so thorough, and, apparently, included the changing of a final report, and other suspicious actions, that one wonders.

On the face of it, I assume that Quentin, feeling there was no way out, simply committed suicide, but who knows?

It is fairly certain that his mother had nothing to do with it, but would his father have had his own son murdered?

It's not impossible.

And as much as the new breed of Independent Scientologist might like to blame it on David Miscavige, I doubt that the, then, 16 year old Miscavige had anything to do with it.

One thing is certain: Quentin was quickly "erased." He became a non-person, and Scientologists kept having their sessions, and their floating TAs (to their delight), and getting their stats up, etc.

I remember the period, and remember being taken aback by how quickly, and "effortlessly," most Scientologists complied with Quentin's "erasure."

That was a simpler time, a time when Hubbard, the hypnotist, was running Scientology, and before the current intra-Scientology war, of today, had begun.

[Wants2Talk]

I assert that Quiten was the second "first born" so to disappoint him. After all Hubbard wanted to pound his name into immortality. Understandably, an son might be hoped to play a roll in that. It did not work out the way Hubbard hoped - twice. By the time the second heir to the throne embarrassed him, Hubbard may have said "last straw" and had Quieten disposed of quietly without sorry.

That was why I brought i Jr. I apologize if it was off-topic.

Best regards

[behindmycamel]

There is a short scientology youtube vid (Hubbard giving a podium lecture) somewhere which contrasts the original footage alongside Quentin's editing out of the same.

Might be worth adding here, if someone can find it.