Heber Jentzsch Told His Brother: "I'll Never Get Out of Here Alive"

[Jquepublic]

There is the Hat Pack on here for getting someone out of Int. Do you suppose it would work on someone of Heber's ranking? Or is it too risky for the Dwarf to offload him?

I think he knows too much for DM to ever willingly let him go. :( My question would be, if the opportunity to leave presented itself, would Heber take it?

[Purple Rain]

When Phillip Garrido holds someone captive it's a crime. When David Miscavige does it it's religion.

[Lurker5]

One has to be in a physical condition - and have access to money - somewhere - to run, get over that wall, avoid the razors - get down the road, avoid osa in airport, train and bus stations. One has to have somewhere to go. Or else be young enough to not care. The young are more resilient and can handle those kind of unknowns - probably because they have no real life experience. It makes for brave souls, youth does. The old - - not so brave. Or maybe the old are more rational. Who knows . . . It just is.

I don't think Heber in his mid 70's, having been a prisoner for years, on crap rations and hard physical labor, with no medical care, is in any kind of condition to get out on his own. If some kind of outside thing was set up, to get him out, even then it would be precarious and hazardous. He is OLD.

And does he even want to get out? What is out here for him - now? He is too old to get a job/work - he probably has no social security, having been in co$ most of his life. He has NOTHING out here, and now his kid is dead.

Heber, IMHO, gave up a long time ago, and if authorities walked in guns drawn and asked him if he wanted an escort out, my guess is he'd say NO. Out to WHAT?
How would he feed and house himself?

Any scno lurkers out there, wondering what happens when ya get old or sick in the co$ - take note. This is your end - the 'HOLE'. It is set up to expedite the final end. A final solution for the co$. You have outlived your value to the co$ and they are disposing of you. After WWII the ones who did that were put on trial for war crimes - and executed.

[NoName]

Based on what he'd said to Alex and hiis brother (which, granted has been a matter of years ago), I would tend to think he would go. The prospect of a homeless shelter to a 76 year old would probably be a deal breaker to leaving, but if Karen wouldn't support him (and she seems to care very much about him), one of the 42 siblings probably would. I have to think that he would be easy to convince if presented with this.

Now whether or not to demand a welfare check.... my raw public diletante experience makes me wholly unqualified to know whether that would work or get him killed. I happen to think that the idea may have some merit, but I'm not gonna act on it.

And if int base is heavily armed, well, the FBI will know that going in. My dealings with them have been limited, but I was amazed at how much research they did on me at one point. It was actually somewhat disturbing....

[Smilla]

We have to consider the Stockholm Syndrome, sadly.

If he wants to leave, it would probably have to be facilitated by a group that has created a support network for him, and is commited enough to help him out an ongoing basis. I don't think there'd be any shortage of volunteers.

[Arthur Dent]

Would Karen be able to take him in? Or any other relatives? Maybe she could help facilitate that. If something were in place for him and that could be relayed to him there is a good chance he would go. If he has been convinced he has nowhere to go then I can't see him making a move toward the door.

[Commander Birdsong]

I'm not familiar with US law, but it seems to that some grounds now exist for the Police to look into Heber's situation.

the problem remains that he would probably claim to be staying of his own will.

worth trying though if interested parties could have a go at it.

[Jquepublic]

Based on what he'd said to Alex and hiis brother (which, granted has been a matter of years ago), I would tend to think he would go. The prospect of a homeless shelter to a 76 year old would probably be a deal breaker to leaving, but if Karen wouldn't support him (and she seems to care very much about him), one of the 42 siblings probably would. I have to think that he would be easy to convince if presented with this.

Now whether or not to demand a welfare check.... my raw public diletante experience makes me wholly unqualified to know whether that would work or get him killed. I happen to think that the idea may have some merit, but I'm not gonna act on it.

And if int base is heavily armed, well, the FBI will know that going in. My dealings with them have been limited, but I was amazed at how much research they did on me at one point. It was actually somewhat disturbing....

Well, worst case scenario, he can stay with me while his attorneys sew the living shit out of the church to ensure he has a retirement fund. ::

[Jquepublic]

Would Karen be able to take him in? Or any other relatives? Maybe she could help facilitate that. If something were in place for him and that could be relayed to him there is a good chance he would go. If he has been convinced he has nowhere to go then I can't see him making a move toward the door.

I'm sure that if he could be gotten out of there, there are dozens of people who would see to it that he had a place to stay and food and medical care.

[Axiom142]

This is so very sad.

Heber clearly knows that things are very wrong and that he should leave, but he is unable to do anything about it.

The prison isn’t the guards, or the fences topped with razor-wire, it is in his mind. Obviously, Miscavige will never voluntarily allow Heber to leave. If he ever spoke out, with the universal respect that Scns have for him, it would be game over for Miscavige.

But, I really can’t understand his brother’s attitude. If it were me and it appeared that Heber was being held against his will, I would gather together all his siblings and all their children and grand-children and turn up en-masse with the media and law enforcement, demanding his release.

Axiom142