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    Quote Originally Posted by Feral View Post
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    Tackling the flaws in the sacred scriptures or the Source was too hard on them in one go. You've just gotta plant the seeds.

    I'd just had a talk to Wendy Honnor who absolutely roasted me for sending out that letter, well she's out now and I had suspected I played a small part in that. I asked her and she told me that she read all of the links and they helped form her decision. Yeah, I am proud of myself.

    Hope it helps.
    Great post!

    I truly like your approach.

    But, I have come to the conclusion over many years of being both in and out that Scientology is an Eco-System, with all the components of the more familiar bio-ecosystem--predators, food chain, survival of the fittest, checks-and-balances and adaptation to survive.

    The eternal struggle to be higher on the food chain (command channel) is the simple, common-sense determination to EAT and not be EATEN. FOOD plays a controlling role at the core of the eco-structure. In Scientology the sustenance (food) is centered the holy watering hole where the animals compete in a vicious fight for that prime real estate and the chance to drink. Scientology calls it "tech" and there is even a "bridge" mythology that allows creatures to safely pass over dangerous predator-infested sections (think alligators, sharks, piraña, anacondas, et al) and to avoid stagnant (NCG) ponds of toxic (Squirrel, Psych, SP, et al) water.

    There are inter-species skirmishes (CoS vs Indies, etc.) but the real battleground is Scientologists versus the entire rest of the animal kingdom (wogs, dbs, reporters, whistleblowers, critics, anonymous, scientists, middle class, et al....)

    The interaction of Ex-Scientologists (the subject of this cool thread) with Scientologists is fascinating, but I don't think there is any one (1) technique that works best to help the Homo Novis . Rather, it seems that there are a multitude of ways to wake sleeping beings up--and we are talking about dormant OTs here, not their BT parasites.

    So, when as you so well illustrate "SEEDS ARE PLANTED" it is brilliant. It is a pretty realistic conclusion that Wendy Honnors heard the piercing sound of that alarm clock buzzer you crafted into that letter you sent out. It had to have taken root at some level even if subliminally.

    But there are other wake-up alarms and they each have their own style and subtle or sledgehammer effectiveness. Virtually all of the lovely, compassionate, scholarly, ferocious, creative, loving, joking/degrading, tolerant, acerbic, knowledgeable and strident posters on ESMB (and other venues) are effective in a different way. This was never demonstrated with more startling clarity than the emergence of Anonymous onto the scene a few short years ago.

    They are all seeds capable of taking root in a Scientologist's disoriented thought process.

    Personally, I have a style which J&D's much of the time, but that style can be deeply offensive to Indies, Tech-Users and certain critics. It doesn't matter whether it is "liked" by some. The point, I believe, is that even when someone vehemently objects or reacts to a truthful message about Scientology--or the experience one has had in it--those are not necessarily harmful reactions.

    Even someone becoming very upset is not always a bad thing. Edgy and controversial styles often precede and begin the process of erosion upon the large boulder-like, immovable thinking of Scientologists or anyone for that matter. Perhaps many here are familiar with the 60's comedian Lenny Bruce whose rapier vulgarity and free expression put him in jail and on trial for his very livelihood and freedom. 50 years later in 2012, none of the "shocking" things he said would even gain notice in the world of modern-day comedians.

    It is actually healthy for a Scientologist to occasionally hear a full frontal assault on the sacred superstitions that they so ardently believe in. How great would it be for a Scientologist to hear, for example, Jason Beghe's "SHOW ME A MOTHERFUCKING CLEAR!"?

    It all helps.


    Apologies that this post was not proofed or edited, so it might contain countless "transcriptionist errors". I am still dormant myself today after being invited to join a cult (last night) of Asian party-animals and I currently have the IQ of a small farm animal. It is going to take me a few days to recover from that "ecosystem". LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sindy View Post
    Today I went and protested in front of the Chicago Org and one of the staff members came out to tell me how disappointed she was that I was out there and she was mad and up in my face. We exchanged words back and forth and I finally said, "So, are you going to wait until Miscavige is sent to prison or what?" She then said, "I would take a bullet for him" and stormed off back into the building.

    It never occurs to her why she actually has that conviction but she does.

    Remarkable post!

    "So, are you going to wait until Miscavige is sent to prison or what?"



    "I would take a bullet for him"
    Wouldn't that have been a lovely sound bite to have captured on video and propagate out virally across the entire planet that Scientologists are trying to "Clear"?
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    I never felt as free as when I freed myself from "Total Freedom".

    For offended Scientologists reading this blasphemy about L. Ron Hubbard---my apologies for talking about real life without lying to you, like Scientology, with goo-goo theta-talk. I know you don't have a floating needle right now. You're not supposed to.

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    Default Re: Meeting Old Friends who are Still Under the Spell

    Quote Originally Posted by Sindy View Post
    Today I went and protested in front of the Chicago Org and one of the staff members came out to tell me how disappointed she was that I was out there and she was mad and up in my face. We exchanged words back and forth and I finally said, "So, are you going to wait until Miscavige is sent to prison or what?" She then said, "I would take a bullet for him" and stormed off back into the building.

    It never occurs to her why she actually has that conviction but she does.
    Sindy: "Of course you would, but right now he's keeping them all to himself, apparently in his feet!"

    "Scientology, well understood, is a very powerful thing. Poorly relayed, poorly communicated, monopolized or used exclusively for gain, it could be a very destructive thing." - LRH June 1955
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    Quote Originally Posted by sallydannce View Post
    Her fanaticism = scary shit.
    And I bet in the past every (almost every) ex-Scio felt the same way.

    Yes, it is scary shit. It's ancient, tribal shit. It's soccer stadium behavior. It's political allegiance. It's brand allegiance. Confusingly, it contributes to both the creation and destruction of civilizations. Very scary shit.

    And it's a true shame that we, as a species, haven't tried harder to understand and control it better.

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    And I bet in the past every (almost every) ex-Scio felt the same way.

    Yes, it is scary shit. It's ancient, tribal shit. It's soccer stadium behavior. It's political allegiance. It's brand allegiance. Confusingly, it contributes to both the creation and destruction of civilizations. Very scary shit.

    And it's a true shame that we, as a species, haven't tried harder to understand and control it better.
    TG1

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    For offended Scientologists reading this blasphemy about L. Ron Hubbard---my apologies for talking about real life without lying to you, like Scientology, with goo-goo theta-talk. I know you don't have a floating needle right now. You're not supposed to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HelluvaHoax! View Post
    Remarkable post!

    "So, are you going to wait until Miscavige is sent to prison or what?"



    "I would take a bullet for him"
    Wouldn't that have been a lovely sound bite to have captured on video and propagate out virally across the entire planet that Scientologists are trying to "Clear"?
    Why in fact it did caught on video and will soon be available. She couldn't help herself. She should have stayed away.

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