Descent into Insanity

[Smilla]

You are not alone in this observation. I have noticed or heard or received emails from others like yourself who, after having arrived on Marty's blog steps, are now no longer buying that brand of KoolAid.

I would venture to say that 25% of those starting at Marty's blog do wind up quietly drifting away after observing or experiencing much of what you have noted above.

It's all good. Leaving scientology is a process, not an event.

And I strongly suspect that most people leaving Scientology are 'silent leavers' who just walk out the door, and get on with a life that no longer includes Scientology.

[TG1]

And I strongly suspect that most people leaving Scientology are 'silent leavers' who just walk out the door, and get on with a life that no longer includes Scientology.

I agree.

[Mimsey Borogrove]

Shhhh. Don't disturb the leaving lurkers.... Shhh. Mimsey

[Axiom142]

It is a constant source of amusement to me when people keep posting about how unimportant and inconsequential Marty is and how we should all ignore him.

Marty has identified himself as a Scientologist – therefore it is not unreasonable to expect him to act like a Scientologist. I too am frustrated by the fact that many ‘indies’ think that the sole cause of all the ‘bad’ stuff is David Miscavige. But, I’m not going to lose any sleep over it. If that’s what they want to do – fine. At least they are out of the big cult and while some may argue that they are now in a little cult, I personally think that in most cases, todays ‘indie’ is tomorrow’s ‘ex’.

Mart has said some things that I strongly disagree with, but he is also more honest than many culties that I know. For example, he has admitted that Hubbard made up much of his life story and that he did have a daughter called Alexis, even though he (Hubbard) denied it. He is a rallying point for those who know the cult is bad but cannot bear to abandon the ‘Tech’. He remains a thorn in the side of the cult and for that I am grateful as it means their resources are spread more thinly and therefore people like me are less of a target.

Axiom142

[Veda]

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For example, he has admitted that Hubbard made up much of his life story and that he did have a daughter called Alexis, even though he (Hubbard) denied it.

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Axiom142

Marty is mainly doing PR damage control, on behalf of Hubbard and Hubbard's Scientology, directed at an Internet savvy "public."

Did Marty actually say that Hubbard "made up much of his life story"? I recall him seeming to say that but, upon closer inspection, was saying something else.

As for Alexis, Hubbard's daughter by Sara, I didn't know he had commented on Alexis. Could you provide a quote or a link? I'd like to see it. He can't very well deny it, and maintain any sort of credibility with the hope-for-targets of his public-opinion-shaping.

I'd like to see Marty change, but, for now, he's continuing to "handle," rather than simply truth-tell.

Do you really feel safer because of Marty? Seems to me that the CofS is going pretty lightly on Marty. Jesse Prince described it as more of a lovers spat between himself and Miscavige. Fair Game-lite.

No lawsuits, no serious dirty tricks ops, mostly just You-Tube-able clowns in Squirrel Buster t-shirts.

Don't be too grateful.

[Operating DB]

And I strongly suspect that most people leaving Scientology are 'silent leavers' who just walk out the door, and get on with a life that no longer includes Scientology.

I agree. I know many in my circle that left and are quietly and happily living their lives free of anything to do with scn in the cult or indie or freezone or even anti scn sites. Zero, zilch, nadda.

[Mimsey Borogrove]

Hey Axiom - you make a good point - if he were one of us posting away on ESMB, likely his site would not exist, and all of those doubt formulas wouldn't find an audience. He did give Debbie Cook a forum ( proly after he leaked her e-mail ) and has done so for others as well. In the long run I think he performs a valuable service - kinda like one step the 12 step Booze Busters program.

I just wish he wasn't such an arrogant prick, but you don't get to be #2 in Miscavages sand pile by gushing ARC all over the place.

Mimsey

[Mimsey Borogrove]

As for Alexis, Hubbard's daughter by Sara, I didn't know he had commented on Alexis. Could you provide a quote or a link? I'd like to see it. He can't very well deny it, and maintain any sort of credibility with the hope-for-targets of his public-opinion-shaping.

What ever happened to Nib's sister Katherine May ? Mimsey

[Lone Star]

Marty is mainly doing PR damage control, on behalf of Hubbard and Hubbard's Scientology, directed at an Internet savvy "public."

Did Marty actually say that Hubbard "made up much of his life story"? I recall him seeming to say that but, upon closer inspection, was saying something else.

As for Alexis, Hubbard's daughter by Sara, I didn't know he had commented on Alexis. Could you provide a quote or a link? I'd like to see it. He can't very well deny it, and maintain any sort of credibility with the hope-for-targets of his public-opinion-shaping.

I'd like to see Marty change, but, for now, he's continuing to "handle," rather than simply truth-tell.

Do you really feel safer because of Marty? Seems to me that the CofS is going pretty lightly on Marty. Jesse Prince described it as more of a lovers spat between himself and Miscavige. Fair Game-lite.

No lawsuits, no serious dirty tricks ops, mostly just You-Tube-able clowns in Squirrel Buster t-shirts.

Don't be too grateful.

Well, in the interest of keeping it real, we should ask ourselves a simple question... What is Marty's goal? Being the trained Scientologist that he is I'm sure he undertakes every endeavor in his life with a battle plan. So why did he start his blog? Why did he write the book? Why was he obviously very excited over Debbie Cook's email and challenge to DM?

Right now he is basically an unofficial leader of a certain percentage of CoS defectors who regard themselves as Independents. They still practice Scientology, but for now are happy to do so without all of the imposed regulations of the Sea Org, OSA, RTC, etc... They are enjoying their freedom to practice their "religion" their way. But how long can that truly go on without chaos developing within their "org"? Will they be content to go the route of the Freezone? Maybe. Maybe not.

As someone has mentioned earlier Marty is tightening up the rules for posting on his blog. Other regulars there are showing impatience and hostility to anyone with a different viewpoint. It seems to me that eventually the old Hubbtard policy letters will be dusted off and implemented, especially the ones defining ethics and how to handle out-ethics. At the end of last year when I regularly read Marty's blog, he shut a poster down and banned him. I thought the guy was asking some reasonable questions. He didn't seem to have a bad attitude towards Marty IMO. But you know what Marty told him in his final reply? "You're ncg". For those who don't know what that means, it's No Case Gain. It's an out-ethics condition. It is the same thing as calling someone a Suppressive Person, because SPs have No Case Gain. That told me a lot about where Marty's mindset is, and where he is potentially going.

Do I care? Not really. But I see no fault in shining the light on Marty as well as DM.

[Axiom142]

Marty is mainly doing PR damage control, on behalf of Hubbard and Hubbard's Scientology, directed at an Internet savvy "public."

Did Marty actually say that Hubbard "made up much of his life story"? I recall him seeming to say that but, upon closer inspection, was saying something else.

As for Alexis, Hubbard's daughter by Sara, I didn't know he had commented on Alexis. Could you provide a quote or a link? I'd like to see it. He can't very well deny it, and maintain any sort of credibility with the hope-for-targets of his public-opinion-shaping.

I'd like to see Marty change, but, for now, he's continuing to "handle," rather than simply truth-tell.

Do you really feel safer because of Marty? Seems to me that the CofS is going pretty lightly on Marty. Jesse Prince described it as more of a lovers spat between himself and Miscavige. Fair Game-lite.

No lawsuits, no serious dirty tricks ops, mostly just You-Tube-able clowns in Squirrel Buster t-shirts.

Don't be too grateful.

Marty told me that he knew that Hubbard had made up stuff (he was a storyteller) and he said that he had seen the photos of Hubbard with Alexis so he knew that denials that had been made by / on behalf of Hubbard were untrue. His take on it was that Hubbard had told a few yarns for entertainment and some dim-witted people within the cult had taken them as gospel and written them up as if they were factual.

I’m pretty sure that he has mentioned the latter this on his blog, but you probably won’t find a link regarding Alexis as this was told to me in a conversation that wasn’t recorded.

PR and damage control? Well quite probably, except he knows ‘The Church’ is dying and cannot be saved. He is trying to salvage something from the ‘The Subject’.

Marty is followed wherever he goes, he had goons camped outside his house for several months harassing him and trying to provoke him, resulting in one actual arrest. And the cult retained a law firm to lobby the authorities to throw him in jail on half a dozen times. There are several websites set up to smear him and he has been physically assaulted. Not to mention his phone account hacked.

I wouldn’t call that ‘going pretty lightly’.

But whatever you think of him personally, he has attracted a significant number of ‘indies’ who have publically left the cult as well as those who have been so public. The more enemies Miscavige and his pretend navy has, the more they will run around in circles trying to put out the fires and not have the time to spend on the ‘little guys’ like me.

Axiom142