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    also re insect bites...

    They were characterized as "roach feeding sites"

    "Dr. Goff would expect insect infestation to have
    roaches feeding on a body, similar to other crime scenes he has
    investigated. If FLAG is telling the truth that there was no insect
    infestation at the hotel, then this simply proves the Estate's argument
    that Lisa was never in the hotel in the first place" LINK

    which backs up the claim she was moved in that crate 3 days before she died, which also would explain why the last three days of her baby watch records were "lost" as this fraud of a church perjured in court...

    and:

    "All of the Estate’s pathologists have further opined that Lisa did have
    bug bites on her body, antemortem and peri-mortem. Dr. Spitz has
    documented insect feeding sites on two autopsy microscopic slides.
    Appendix A5, at pp. 20-27, 73-74. The scientific evidence of the post mortem photographs of Lisa’s body show 109 different cockroach feeding sites, mostly antemortem, per the board certified entomologist retained by the Estate, Neil Haskell, Ph.D. See attached excerpts from his deposition, Appendix 6, at pp. 238-239, and his diagram of feeding sites, Appendix 7, with special emphasis on the facial autopsy photograph. Appendix 8. This is in direct conflict with the affidavits and depositions of staff filed by Defendants." LINK (link strangely gives blank page but select View Source, and text is there..)


    Antemortem means they were feeding upon her body while she was still alive..

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoNuclear View Post
    Are you saying that DM C/S'd Lisa McPherson's case for the express purpose of driving her nuts and having her die, because she knew too much? Or are you saying that DM was C/Sing her case to keep an eye on her? He could have kept an eye on her just by looking at her folders without havng to C/S her case. And if he wanted her permanently silenced, a simple rub-out made to appear as, say, a purse snatching gone wrong would have kept things a whole lot more simple. If anything, Lisa McPherson could have been a Scientological poster gal for "a world without crime" and therefore a fund raising cause. Paying the "mugger" would have cost at most 100k for a top notch professional job. The way it went had to have been far, far, far more expensive.

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    Yes but not nearly as sadistic. Sociopaths take pleasure in causing misery to others, especially when it protects their income.

    I've outlined a scenario that Homicide Detectives look for, in the case of a suspicious death, called MMO, which are required before going for a 1st degree murder charge, which is a capital crime and has no statute of limitations. MMO is short for:

    Motive, Method and Opportunity

    My previous postings provide all three, without even stretching the imagination when compared to the facts in the court records.

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    Errata: correction to a prior post where I said Lisa was paid 60K a year:
    Lisa was in fact being paid 100,000 a year, see the Leiby Post article link


    Additional background: when I was in the cult, I was an FBO, for Pubs Org at ASHO in LA, I set the US print runs at Anderson Ritchie and Simon, the printers in Glendale. Asho Publications US later became Bridge Publications.

    I used to calculate the royalty amounts and write checks payable to L. Ron Hubbard, (we published all the books) which would clear through a banking cartel in Luxembourge, called "Societe' Anonyme" which appeared stamped on the back of the checks I'd get back from the Sumitomo Bank, on Grand Street, Account #11066-4 and 11066-8, Back in 1972 I was the one who wrote and signed those checks, sending to "Ron" over a $100,000 - adjusted for inflation, that would be...over a half a million dollars in 2011 dollars.

    Here is a picture of me at that time in my FBO Pubs Office at ASHO with a bunch of E-meters.



    see Inflation Calculator

    And I recall vividly just how important that royalty money was, so if those "insurance forms" being SOLD to big insurance companies were based upon Hubbard's rubbish and (c) Author Services or CST at THAT time in 1995... they would be make damn sure that those royalties had a way to be paid.. even if it caused the occassional young gal (getting 100K a year) to have 'ethical questions' about the method being used, which, I posit, when she pursued them, directly resulted in her death. And Author Services/CST is the alter ego of David Miscavige.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lermanet_com View Post
    Yes but not nearly as sadistic. Sociopaths take pleasure in causing misery to others, especially when it protects their income.

    I've outlined a scenario that Homicide Detectives look for, in the case of a suspicious death, called MMO, which are required before going for a 1st degree murder charge, which is a capital crime and has no statute of limitations. MMO is short for:

    Motive, Method and Opportunity

    My previous postings provide all three, without even stretching the imagination when compared to the facts in the court records.
    If the entire thing was planned, including playing with her head for sadistic purposes ... why bother with trying to take her to a hospital? Why not drive a bit further south and feed her to the alligators in the Everglades swamp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoNuclear View Post
    If the entire thing was planned, including playing with her head for sadistic purposes ... why bother with trying to take her to a hospital? Why not drive a bit further south and feed her to the alligators in the Everglades swamp?

    Pete
    Perhaps the "Asthmatic dwarf"(note) thought he had the perfect plan? (after all they did get away with it....)
    From Operations planning

    "A believable (story) source must be provided in an operation, thereby
    "filling the vacuum," so that Scientology isn't dubbed in as source"

    Note: I believe the phrase "Asthmatic Dwarf" is (c) Suzette Hubbard, you see when Little davie was first in the CMO, Suzette was the CMO I/C, and David, the new kid, had asthma, and used to hide his use of an inhaler by leaning over the side of the ship to hide its use. The phrase, i believe was coined by Suzette Hubbard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lermanet_com View Post
    Lermetics can help you with that.

    There was something lisa knew, that she had 'ethical problems with'.. that started all of this. The outfit she worked for - I think it was Bennita Slaughter's outfit, Bennita Slaughter was her Supervisor, yes during the trial some big shot was asked what (damn the name escapes me, the name of the company) AMC Publishing the outfit did, and the answer was "We sell forms to insurance companies"
    Here's a web site w/ all the info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennetta_Slaughter

    Well... Google Allstate Insurance + scientology. Was a HUGE flap. I spoke with a lawyer who worked for the Allstate employee union whom I shall quote as it was memorable:

    "scientology almost brought down Allstate"

    Now, if Lisa's company was selling Hubbard's rubbish to Insurance companies, the operation would have been structured so that in NO WAY COULD IT EVER BE LINKED TO SCIENTOLOGY, re read OSA's Operations Planning

    and I quote:

    All Ops are planned in such a way that they in no way
    could be traced back to the Church.


    However, Hubbard or whomever owns his copyrights - (Note any current book by the fraud of scientology, the copyright notice states (c) HELD by RTC...

    Held, not OWNED, but held...!! Author Services or CST OWNS the copyrights, RTC is just the agent enforcing their "rights" And note: CST are NOT Scientologists, they are attorneys

    So they could not write a check for royalties...that would leave a paper trail and risk another Allstate media fracas... but they might pay their employees additional sums and demand they donated them to the "church"... Lisa made 60K a year... after she died, this "church" wrote checks (forging her signature) on her account to get the last of her money.. I recall someone asking why and some guy said 'cause it was our money" See this story: Vampires of Scientology

    That is **disgusting** if true. Do you have docs to prove
    they actually wrote checks and signed her name after she died?


    And Ill quote from that link above:

    "VOICE (sounds like Ken Dandar):
    Did you ever write any checks out of Lisa McPherson's checking account?

    CRUZ:
    On the advice of counsel, and relying on my fifth amendment privelege
    against self-incrimination, I respectfully decline to answer.

    [Dandar on camera, in an office]

    DANDAR:
    There are checks written to Gloria Cruz, while Lisa McPherson is in
    isolation near death. And there are checks written to Lisa McPherson and
    SIGNED by Lisa McPherson after she's dead.

    [shots of the Ft. Harrison, and copies of checks, brief cut to the
    deposition, more check copies, and a pic or two of Lisa]

    WITT:
    28 Investigates has learned, that on the day before Lisa died, while she was
    in the Ft. Harrison Hotel, somehow, a deposit of $1600 was made into Lisa's
    account with Lisa's signature. Lisa died December 5. But on the day after
    she died, Lisa's boyfriend, Kurt Paine, wrote a check on Lisa's account to
    Gloria Cruz for $2500.

    After Lisa had been dead 8 days, another deposit was made to her account,
    again bearing her name. That same day, Gloria Cruz wrote a check to Lisa
    for $2500, but again, Lisa had been dead for 8 days, and Gloria knew it.

    Then, 10 days after Lisa's death, Kurt Paine signed another check to another
    Scientologist, for more than $2000.

    [back to the deposition]

    VOICE:
    Do know if Kurt Paine ever wrote any checks out of Lisa McPherson's
    checking account?

    CRUZ:
    On the advice of counsel, and relying on my fifth amendment privelege
    against self-incrimination, I respectfully decline to answer."

    ---------------

    Time expired for editing, this belongs to my previous post: "After a minor traffic accident, McPherson stripped off her clothes and walked naked down well-traveled Belleview Boulevard. She told stunned paramedics she wasn't crazy but just wanted to get their attention: "I need help. I need to talk to someone." She spoke in a monotone, as if programmed, and said she didn't need a body to live." Richard Leiby, Washington Post
    God I wish Marty would spit out what those last 3 days were about. You KNOW they had to be *horrific* that they shredded them.

    My THEORY----based on experience--is that No way was Lisa ever in the Cabanas at the back of Flag. Those are super expensive and no way would
    they put s/one "Type 3" near big $$$. We stayed in the same Cabana they said she stayed in. It's about 15 feet from the HGC!

    Also, they were spick and span---no way would she have those cock roach bites THERE. However, one staff member took me out to the Family/Staff berthing back then and it was out on US 19...this sleazy motel, away from everything.
    She said they did have "lots of cockroaches" there.

    So I think (My theory) is that she DIED out at that Motel...........they
    zoomed her to "Flag"...and from there, rushed her out to the Scientology
    Doctor and "She died on the way". I say.

    Lots to mull over.........May she R.I.P.

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    Birdy, I looked for this..."a case of a CoS wrongful death here in boston in 1975 which received no attention whatsoever, was quickly buried and CoS just treated the decedent's family like shit."

    Can you either elaborate on it or link to your post? Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lermanet_com View Post
    Perhaps the "Asthmatic dwarf"(note) thought he had the perfect plan? (after all they did get away with it....)
    From Operations planning

    "A believable (story) source must be provided in an operation, thereby
    "filling the vacuum," so that Scientology isn't dubbed in as source"

    Note: I believe the phrase "Asthmatic Dwarf" is (c) Suzette Hubbard, you see when Little davie was first in the CMO, Suzette was the CMO I/C, and David, the new kid, had asthma, and used to hide his use of an inhaler by leaning over the side of the ship to hide its use. The phrase, i believe was coined by Suzette Hubbard.
    As a plan, it would have been too complicated, too costly. I doubt that it was planned the way it went down. Perhaps the objective was simply to discredit her via a gaslighting campaign. The plan may have morphed into a first degree murder, but, I doubt that it was planned that way from the start. The Lisa McPherson case, from the standpoint of the Cof$, was not about something well planned. It was about a comedy of errors and phuggups, one compounded on top of the next, followed by a massive and very expensive damage control effort.

    Pete

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commander Birdsong View Post
    as it happens three or four years ago i stumbled across a case of a CoS wrongful death here in boston in 1975 which received no attention whatsoever, was quickly buried and CoS just treated the decedent's family like shit.
    Could you be confusing Las Vegas for Boston? I don't recall any fuss over a Scio's death in 1975 anywhere in Massachusetts. Maybe you're thinking of Louie Pagliaro?

    "Louie Pagliaro was a public person taking courses at the Las Vegas Org in 1974. He was a casino pit boss and a professional photographer. He completed his grades and then went on to AOLA to take OT I, OT II and OTIII.

    In 1975, he returned to Las Vegas and, thinking he was “OT”, lost a lot of his money gambling. Furious at being conned, he came screaming into the Org and demanded a refund for all of the money he had paid, over $100,000, from Eddie Walters, his Case Supervisor at the Las Vegas Org.

    He threatened Eddie Walters that if he did not get a refund he was going to expose the OT Levels.

    The next day his body was found badly mutilated in his living room. According to his live-in girlfriend, Lisa Gibson, all of his folders were pulled from the Org by the Guardian’s Office and during the police investigation Eddie Walters lied to the police and pretended that Louie Pagliaro had never taken any courses at the Las Vegas Org.

    His death is an unsolved murder and can be found on the books of the Las Vegas Police Department for the year 1975. Lisa Gibson thereafter married David Sandweiss, who may or who may not have been Quentin Hubbard’s homosexual lover, and who was also murdered two years later."

    http://theyshouldnothavedied.wordpress.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoNuclear View Post
    As a plan, it would have been too complicated, too costly. I doubt that it was planned the way it went down. Perhaps the objective was simply to discredit her via a gaslighting campaign. The plan may have morphed into a first degree murder, but, I doubt that it was planned that way from the start. The Lisa McPherson case, from the standpoint of the Cof$, was not about something well planned. It was about a comedy of errors and phuggups, one compounded on top of the next, followed by a massive and very expensive damage control effort.

    Pete
    I agree with you on that, Pete. One of my friends used
    to work in "B1" ((the cats who did the heavy shit in the GO) and I
    asked him:"what about Lisa McPherson?"

    His answer: "Somebody fucked up"

    Very true. However, how they handled the fuck ups, was/is
    truly criminal, imnsho.

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