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    According to a report that aired on Swiss TV in French on December 9, 2012, Scientology is shrinking in Switzerland. Here is the report with English subtitles:

    Scientology Shrinking in Switzerland


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    Program: Mise au point
    Host: Pierre-Olivier Volet
    Journalist: François Roulet
    RTS
    December 9, 2012

    Host: Is Scientology going downhill? Scientology arrived here from the United States 30 years ago. It has regularly stirred controversy, and some observers say it's only a matter of time. The bad publicity will eventually lead to Scientology's demise in Switzerland.

    François Roulet produced this investigation.

    Scientology Sunday service: "We of the Church believe that all men of whatever race, color or creed were created with equal rights. That all men have inalienable rights to think freely, to talk freely, to write freely their ..."

    Narrator: A Sunday service for Scientologists in Geneva, the equivalent of a liturgy or a mass, except that the readings aren't from the Bible, but from the writings of this man, the founder, L. Ron Hubbard.

    Scientology arrived in Switzerland more than 30 years ago, but rumors say it is not faring well and might even be nearing the end of its rope.

    Francine Bielawski: (Scientology spokesperson for French-speaking Switzerland) The rumors are false, like many things that are said about Scientology. It is easy to ... Anyone can come see if Scientology is really in decline.

    Scientology Sunday service: "Nothing in Dianetics and Scientology is true for you unless you have observed it and it is true according to your observation. "That is all." L. Ron Hubbard, founder

    Narrator: In Geneva, the movement claims it has 250 active members. But on this day, we tallied those present. They were 19.

    Title: DESPERATELY SEEKING FOLLOWERS

    Scientology video: Scientology is a religion that has methods to help you find answers to the questions in life. You have a body, a mind. You ARE a Thetan. Scientology offers you techniques to increase your abilities and attain your full potential in life. For the subject matter of Scientology is you.

    Narrator: Scientologists call them "ideal orgs," giant churches in city centers that are supposed to symbolize the movement's strength. There was Berlin in 2007, Tel Aviv this year, and surprise! The next of these Scientology megacenters is due to open in Basel next summer.

    Patrick Schnidrig: (Scientology, Basel) This will be the entrance. We will open this up here. That will be a waiting room and reception area. And we'll put up panels. This will all be for the public who have no idea ... It'll really be used to show and to open [sic].

    Narrator: A showcase building over 4,000 square meters, an investment of at least 10 million francs. But will the 4 stories of this building really be occupied? Will this gigantic course room be filled?

    Patrick Schnidrig: We've had a lot of contacts through the Internet, people who went to see what Scientology is. First they visited our sites, then they came here and asked us. So we'll have quite a lot more people coming than before.

    Narrator: In Switzerland, Scientology claims it has 5,500 active members and is steadily growing. But other observers say that L. Ron Hubbard has 10 times fewer disciples. Those who have left the movement even speak of a continual decline. One of them is Ruth Dridi. She worked for Scientology for 5 years in Zurich before slamming the door on the organization. This was at the end of the 1990s. Throughout her time in Scientology, she saw only 7 new members arrive.

    Interviewer: In Basel, Scientology is opening a large center, 4,000 square meters. How do you interpret this?

    Ruth Dridi: (ex-Scientologist) I think it's just marketing, because it's always one of the things about Scientology. They want to do big things, with everything looking very nice. Glamour. But behind the scenes, it's another story. They really don't know how they are going to pay the bills and all that. It's really ...

    Interviewer: You're saying that the Swiss organization doesn't have any more money.

    Ruth Dridi: I think so, yes. Perhaps some rich persons are helping, but, in the end, I think it will be difficult.

    Interviewer: Why?

    Ruth Dridi: Because they aren't finding new members, and they can't go on living with only the old members.

    Narrator: Decline. This is also what Georg Otto Schmid believes. This Protestant theologian has been very closely observing the evolution of Scientology ever since it first set foot in Switzerland.

    Georg Otto Schmid: (Head of Relinfo, Information Center on Beliefs) Scientology has been shrinking. One can wonder if 20 or even 10 years from now, it will simply have disappeared. Scientology is no longer able to withstand a comparison with recent developments in psychology. The gap between Scientology and science is widening, and this makes Scientology appear less and less credible.

    Narrator: So is the future Scientology center in Basel simply a fig leaf? A way for the organization to cover up its decline and unite the few remaining members around a new goal?

    Francine Bielawski: We are really beginning to feel tight for space, and we need space. Individuals should each have a room of their own where they can work on themselves. It's very important.

    Interviewer: But I don't understand. You have fewer people than 20 years ago. How can you feel tight for space?

    Francine Bielawski: Who said we have fewer people than 20 years ago?

    Interviewer: Many observers.

    Francine Bielawski: Ah, thank you, but it wasn't I. Because I told you we've had a constant progression for 20 years. Really. Progressive. We had a great boom between — I repeat — a great boom between 1980 and 1990 and, since the 1990s, constant progression. And the proof is that we feel tight for space.

    Interviewer: But a progression of what magnitude?

    Francine Bielawski: I can't really give you numbers. This is isn't necessarily the goal. But if we open buildings ...

    Interviewer: But you are unable to tell us how you are progressing or how the movement is evolving?

    Francine Bielawski: Well, there are statistics that exist and if you look —

    Interviewer: But you don't want to provide them to us?

    Francine Bielawski: Then I would have to pull out some documents for you. I could tell you about anything you wish, but the documents contain the proof, and I don't have them here.

    Narrator: If Scientology is no longer attracting people today, this is because Scientology has remained locked up in the doctrine of its founder. "Dianetics," the book on which it is based, dates back to 1950. L. Ron Hubbard claimed to have invented a new science of mental health, and he united his followers. Until the beginning of the 1990s, the movement experienced exponential success. At that time, Switzerland discovered this new personal development method from America.

    Scientologist: It's a test about your abilities.

    Passerby: Okay.

    Scientologist: Do you have 2 minutes? We'll do it right now. It helps you to know yourself better. It shows you how you are using your potential.

    Narrator: After Hubbard's death in 1986, David Miscavige assumed the leadership of the organization. Scientology then played the glamour card, with Tom Cruise as ambassador. But, in Switzerland, the movement was running out of steam. In the personal development market, Scientology is now outdated. Being dogmatic, the organization forbids any interpretation or modernization of L. Ron Hubbard's methods. For example, auditing, Scientology's basic therapy, is practiced today exactly as it was in the 1950s.

    Norbert François: (Scientology, Basel) You have an auditor, the person who is holding an E-meter. This device will send a tiny 0.5 volt current through the body of the lady who is there. This tiny current will be influenced by the minute mental changes — that is to say, the emotional changes in the mind of this person. And this gentleman will be able to read them on the E-meter.

    Narrator: To become auditors, Scientologists must study the founder's teachings at length and in depth. Training costs an average of 30,000 francs. It is the cause of countless controversies surrounding the organization. The accumulation of these controversies has definitively tarnished the movement's reputation.

    Georg Otto Schmid: Scientology has huge image problems. Almost every child knows about Scientology. When I moderate discussions about the dangers of cults with groups of young people, there are always 2 communities they spontaneously think of: Jehovah's Witnesses, because they knock on the door of our homes, and Scientology. So it is natural that a movement identified as a cult by all children has difficulty recruiting new members.

    Caption on balloons: I say yes to life, no to drugs.

    Narrator: Echallens, on a Saturday morning. At first glance, this is an association just like the others that do drug prevention work. It tours French-speaking Switzerland all year long to distribute these informational booklets and to speak with the public.

    Passerby: ... because you are an association that I don't know about.

    Scientologist: We are an association called "Say no to drugs" and our message is to encourage people to say no to drugs, to not touch them and to stay away from them.

    Narrator: What this man does not say is that the association is supported by Scientology. The older booklets it distributed contained this quite explicit statement:

    "This booklet is published as a public service by the Church of Scientology International. (...) To request a free copy of these booklets or to learn more about the discoveries of L. Ron Hubbard concerning drugs, visit or contact www.nonaladrogue.ch"

    Narrator: This local councillor wants to oblige the association to more clearly display its ties to Scientology.

    Jessica Jaccoud: (Local Councillor for Nyon): I've been doing some research. We don't share the same opinion about the concept of transparency.

    Narrator: To her, it is obvious that "No to drugs" is a Scientology recruitment structure.

    Jessica Jaccoud: Your documents give a very good summary of your activities.

    Jessica Jaccoud: There is a quite clear intent to reach people who may be vulnerable in order to recruit them more easily. The Church of Scientology has difficulty obtaining authorization for stands in markets because today it is criticized and openly recognized as a cult, at least in public opinion, today it uses front-type associations like this one to directly contact the public.

    Mario Lepore: (Head of "Say no to drugs") The goal is drug prevention. The goal is not the promotion of Scientology.

    Interviewer: [inaudible]

    Mario Lepore: Absolutely. If you read our booklets, there is nothing religious or even political, because the goal is strictly drug prevention.

    Interviewer: The association says it is secular. But less than an hour after we finished filming in Echallens, we received a call from Francine Bielawski, the spokesperson for Scientology. She wanted to know the reasons for our presence at the "No to drugs" stand.

    Given its nebulousness, Scientology is hard to circumscribe. In the United States and in Spain, it benefits from the status of a religion, while in other countries, it is considered a cult.

    In Switzerland, it is merely an association, perhaps soon to be a distant memory.

    Host: Good evening, François Roulet.

    Journalist: Good evening.

    Host: This report was produced by you. Scientology's reticence and distrust of television are well known. Did it take long to get the access you wanted, to be able to speak to the persons you wanted to meet?

    Journalist: Yes, one must realize that it is not easy to bring a camera into a church of Scientology. Between the moment the Scientologists agreed to participate in the report and the moment we recorded the first frame, 3 months had gone by, 3 months during which we had to negotiate with them over every aspect of the report, over every picture to be filmed in their churches. They are very wary because they know that their organization is controversial. The controversy in Switzerland stems above all from financial issues, conflicts over money with former members who spent tens or even hundreds of thousands of francs
    for all kinds of Scientology services.

    Host: In spite of everything, you did gain access. You were able to record scenes that had never been filmed before, to our knowledge. The Sunday celebration, if that's what it can be called, is something that Scientologists did not like to show. How to explain this openness?

    Journalist: I think they no longer have any other choice but to play the openness card. For 30 years, Scientology's communication policy was a cult of secrecy and closed doors with respect to the media. Scientology's leaders in Switzerland no doubt realize today that this communication policy is a failure, since the movement is declining. They assessed the situation and decided to play the openness card.

    Host: Your report shows that Scientology's image has never been worse in Switzerland. We heard Ruth, an ex-Scientologist, who spoke with great reticence. Having been a Scientologist seems to be a label that is very, very heavy to bear.

    Journalist: Yes, it's a burden. Above all, it's a label that is practically indelible. Ruth, who was a Scientologist and left the Church of Scientology more than 15 years ago, still carries this image today. For example, while we were preparing this report, just after her interview, we were taking outside shots of the house where she lives, and the owner of the house rushed toward our camera and said: "No! No! Don't film this house!" I think he knew that his tenant had a Scientology past. He said: "I suppose this story has something to do with Scientology. I don't want to have anything whatsoever to do with that organization. I don't want this house to be shown in your report." I find that this reveals quite well the climate of tension that still surrounds this organization.

    Host: 30 years ago, when Scientology arrived, no one knew about it. Over these 30 years, an enormous amount of work has been done to inform the public. And, fundamentally, this is having consequences for the Church of Scientology today.

    Journalist: Yes, for the past 15 years in Switzerland, the media have talked a lot about Scientology, and there have also been prevention campaigns aimed at young people. As a result, today, nobody is really unaware of what Scientology is, as an organization. In the 1980s, when the organization was going very strong,
    people sometimes didn't know what they were getting involved in. Today, this is no longer possible. Ruth, who was in the report, told us that, had she been the same girl in 2012, she would never have set foot inside that organization. We also must not forget that Scientology operates in a personal development market that has become ultra-competitive. There are now all kinds of alternative therapies. Scientology once had a kind of monopoly, perhaps in the 1970s and 1980s, but today it is outclassed by its competitors.

    Host: Thank you very much for these insights, François.

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    I used to live in Basel. This big place is way out the centre and up near the huge Novartis campus. They won't get much foot traffic there. It will be a drain on their resources. I hope they move out of their crummy place in Claraplatz and leave the public there alone.

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    You would think the Swiss would have more sense than to tolerate this money-grubbing, dangerous Cult in their country...
    Yes, you can fly, but first you have to break out of that cocoon. You are capable of self rescue at all times. "Every blade of grass has its own special angel watching over it and whispering, 'grow...grow'." -The Talmud "I am still determined to be cheerful and happy, in whatever situation I may be, for I have learned from experience that the greater part of our happiness or misery depends upon our disposition, and not upon our circumstances." -Martha Washington

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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetnessandLight View Post
    You would think the Swiss would have more sense than to tolerate this money-grubbing, dangerous Cult in their country...
    They were banned from leafleting and soliciting in public areas in Basel. It's not easy to ban a religion that the US government loves and supports.

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    It's not a religion.
    Yes, you can fly, but first you have to break out of that cocoon. You are capable of self rescue at all times. "Every blade of grass has its own special angel watching over it and whispering, 'grow...grow'." -The Talmud "I am still determined to be cheerful and happy, in whatever situation I may be, for I have learned from experience that the greater part of our happiness or misery depends upon our disposition, and not upon our circumstances." -Martha Washington

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    Very interesting!

    I especially loved the section where they asked the COS Spokesperson about why they needed a huge building when they had very few members.

    The double-talk was astonishing to read in black and white. Standard Scientology answer-avoidance TRs.

    "And the proof is that we feel tight for space."


    That is the proof that Scientology is expanding. They "feel tight". It is the perfect microcosm of going Clear and OT, everything is "feelings" they can't show you anything at all.



    Narrator: Decline. This is also what Georg Otto Schmid believes. This Protestant theologian has been very closely observing the evolution of Scientology ever since it first set foot in Switzerland.

    Georg Otto Schmid: (Head of Relinfo, Information Center on Beliefs) Scientology has been shrinking. One can wonder if 20 or even 10 years from now, it will simply have disappeared. Scientology is no longer able to withstand a comparison with recent developments in psychology. The gap between Scientology and science is widening, and this makes Scientology appear less and less credible.

    Narrator: So is the future Scientology center in Basel simply a fig leaf? A way for the organization to cover up its decline and unite the few remaining members around a new goal?

    Francine Bielawski: We are really beginning to feel tight for space, and we need space. Individuals should each have a room of their own where they can work on themselves. It's very important.

    Interviewer: But I don't understand. You have fewer people than 20 years ago. How can you feel tight for space?

    Francine Bielawski: Who said we have fewer people than 20 years ago?

    Interviewer: Many observers.

    Francine Bielawski: Ah, thank you, but it wasn't I. Because I told you we've had a constant progression for 20 years. Really. Progressive. We had a great boom between — I repeat — a great boom between 1980 and 1990 and, since the 1990s, constant progression. And the proof is that we feel tight for space.

    Interviewer: But a progression of what magnitude?

    Francine Bielawski: I can't really give you numbers. This is isn't necessarily the goal. But if we open buildings ...

    Interviewer: But you are unable to tell us how you are progressing or how the movement is evolving?

    Francine Bielawski: Well, there are statistics that exist and if you look —

    Interviewer: But you don't want to provide them to us?

    Francine Bielawski: Then I would have to pull out some documents for you. I could tell you about anything you wish, but the documents contain the proof, and I don't have them here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetnessandLight View Post
    It's not a religion.
    That depends on how you define religion. If you believe that the Cof$ is a money grubbing scam mindphugging rip off, I definitely agree. But for the people in that Sunday service, it definitely IS a religion, and it is THEIR religion. It is because THEY hold it to be so. Is it a religion for DM? I doubt it. His religion is the persuit of power, money, and dominating others.

    The irony of it is that it is probably more of a religion now than back in the late seventies when I was still involved with it. The Cof$ transitioned from "Scientology, the applied religious philosophy" to the "Scientology Religion," taking on more religious trappings as per the way they were running their service. When I was in, it was made clear that the HubTurd was not claiming to be God or a Messiah but rather just a man who happened to discern a path to follow that would lead to all the abilities claimed for oatees. It seems now that they have elevated his status, and his writings are "scripture" as opposed to someone who came up with a series of tech manuals for the spirit.

    As I see it, if they continue down the current path, DM will shuck his expensive business suits and phoney Navy uniform and come up with a really gaudy looking phoney pope outfit instead.

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    Great report, M. Thanks for the translation.

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    Great report, M. Thanks for the translation.
    Yes thanks very much
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoNuclear View Post

    -snip-

    The irony of it is that it is probably more of a religion now than back in the late seventies when I was still involved with it. The Cof$ transitioned from "Scientology, the applied religious philosophy" to the "Scientology Religion," taking on more religious trappings as per the way they were running their service. When I was in, it was made clear that the HubTurd was not claiming to be God or a Messiah but rather just a man who happened to discern a path to follow that would lead to all the abilities claimed for oatees. It seems now that they have elevated his status

    -snip-
    He was just a regular guy who happened to the "Source" (with a capital "S") of the only route to Total Freedom and Total Power in the history of the universe, and the "Source" of the salvation of every man, woman, and child in this sector of this galaxy - without whom they would face "endless agonized trillions"...

    IIRC, what was called the Messiah survey, to determine what characteristics people preferred in their Messiah, was ordered by Hubbard in the late 1970s.


    'Hymn of Asia' was written in 1955. These are 'Advance!' magazine covers from the mid 1970s:







    Scientologists are, typically, Big Beings. As you can see, LRH is a very big being. Big Beings, naturally, would "feel tight" in almost any Org built for tiny humanoid bodies.

    I can be addressed
    But in our temples best
    Address me and you address
    Lord Buddha.
    Address Lord Buddha
    And you then address
    Metteyya.


    L. Ron Hubbard, from 'Hymn of Asia'


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    Video on Religious cloaking:



    The complete document:

    http://www.lermanet.com/reference/brennan-dec.pdf





    Quoted posts by others are in sienna (brown).

    By Rmack:

    I just had to vent a little about a pet peeve I have. People who, even though critical of this cult, still call it a church.

    It's well documented that the whole church facade was taken on by Laffy for the benefits it bestowed, like potential tax exemption, the e-meter being protected as a 'religious artifact' to avoid being prosecuted for using it to treat medical conditions, etc. They went from being a clinic with 'doctors' to a religion with 'ministers', but the practices stayed pretty much the same.

    Scientology is a money making fraudulent cult, not a church.

    I like the adage attributed to Abraham Lincoln that goes 'How many legs does a dog have, if you call the tail a leg? Answer; four. Calling the tail a leg doesn't make it a leg.'



    Tax exempt status had been sought by Hubbard since he first launched his "religion angle," complete with ministers in clerical collars, crosses on "Churches," and the accompanying benign-sounding 'Creed of the Church', meant to invite agreement from "wogs," as they were "gradiently" led into agreement with the idea that Scientology is a "religion."

    It's the religion angle and religious cloaking that allow Scientology to get away with so much fraudulent and abusive behavior.

    For years, Scientology has been dressing up Scientologists in minister's costumes, erecting huge crosses on buildings, saying, "religion," "my religion," "the Scientology religion," etc., and, through sheer repetition, the message has penetrated, just as L. Ron Hubbard said it would, the malleable minds of those at "lower awareness levels," etc. No matter the arguments, the Bronx cheers, and the protests, it's still penetrated.

    If Scientology's religion angle and its religious cloaking prevail, and to the point where even critics of Scientology are calling it - without "quote" marks - a "religion," and a "Church," then there's no chance that Scientology will reform. Why should it?


    About the IRS deal with Scientology:




    This man was convicted of "interfering with a religion," for picketing outside Scientology's heavily armed, razor-wire enclosed, base outside Hemet, California. He was sent to jail.




    From Dulloldfart:

    From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._organizations

    Principal Organizations
    Religious Technology Center (RTC)
    Church of Spiritual Technology (CST)
    Church of Scientology International (CSI)
    Church of Scientology of California (CSC)

    Trademark Service Organizations
    Inspector General Network (IGN)
    IGN International AB
    Dianetics Centers International (DCI)
    Dianetics Foundation International (DFI)
    Hubbard Dianetics Foundation (HDF)
    WISE, Inc.

    Financial Trusts
    Author's Family Trust
    Church of Scientology Religious Trust (CSRT)
    Scientology International Reserves Trust (SIRT)
    Trust for Scientologists
    United States Parishioners Trust
    Flag Ship Trust (FST)
    International Publications Trust
    Scientology Defense Trust

    Financial Service Organizations
    SOR Services Ltd.
    Nesta Investments Ltd.
    FSO Oklahoma Investments Corporation
    Theta Management Ltd. (TML)

    Publishing Houses & Publication Organizations
    Golden Era Productions
    Author Services Inc. (ASI)
    Bridge Publications Inc. (BPI)
    New Era Publications ApS
    Scientology Publications Ltd.

    Secular & Social Management Entities
    Association for Better Living and Education International (ABLE)
    Applied Scholastics Inc.
    Citizens Commission on Human Rights International (CCHR)
    Criminon International
    Narconon International
    Way to Happiness Foundation International
    World Institute of Scientology Enterprises International (WISE)

    Other Management Organizations
    Church of Scientology Celebrity Centre International (CC Int.)
    International Hubbard Ecclesiastical League of Pastors (IHELP)
    Scientology Missions International (SMI)

    Service Organizations
    <snip mostly Church names>

    Membership Organizations

    Unincorporated Associations
    International Association of Scientologists (IAS)
    Hubbard Association of Scientologists International (HASI)

    Membership Service Organizations
    International Association of Scientologists Administrations, N.V. (IASA)
    Membership Services Administrations (UK) Ltd. (MSA)

    There are 41 names there, only 5 of which include the C-word. Local service orgs in the US and other religion-favouring countries usually include the C-word, and in countries that don't favour religions they don't. Expediency reigns supreme.

    Question for any residents of the "non" countries: when the cult hits the news there, is the main organization ever referred to, or is it just the name of the local branch? For example, does the media in Russia ever refer to CSI spokeperson Karin Pouw by name and title?

    Paul



    I use the term CofS, when writing, although I really should use quotes around "CofS," and I sometimes write "Church" of Scientology, as that's easier than writing the so called Church of Scientology. It's more difficult to do when speaking unless one wishes to make quote marks in the air with one's fingers when speaking. Senator Xenophon is very clear in that he means "Church" of Scientology.

    Scientology has a decades long history of using the "religion angle" and "religious cloaking" to gain advantage, and to exempt itself from inspection and from laws.

    Scientology is a for-profit blackmail-collecting global scam masquerading as a religion.

    Prof. Steven Kent on 'Is Scientology a Religion?':

    http://www.bible.ca/scientology-not-religion-kent.htm

    Scientology doesn't really care whether some "wogs" or "SPs" or "DBs" think it's a "good religion" or a "bad religion." The "wogs" and "SPs" and "DBs" can argue about that all day long, as long as Scientology is regarded as a "Church" and a "religion."


    It's rare to encounter a Scientologist who knows what Scientology is, not because they're stupid, but because Scientology discourages its followers from finding out what it actually is and, ultimately, places them in a state of mind where they don't want to know even when they have the opportunity.

    A few bus loads of people such as this are useful for Public Relation purposes, especially when they are wearing big yellow Scientology is my religion buttons.

    These are the well-intentioned dupes, and are an essential component of the Scientology charade.

    If someone want to take some pieces of Dianetics and some pieces of Scientology, and use them benignly, or even "religiously," that's fine; however, Scientology it isn't.

    Scientology is a nasty piece of work, and is neither sincere nor religious.


    Responding to the assertion by another poster that Scientology's status as a (tax exempt, and exempt from various laws) "Church" is a "done deal":

    From Div6:

    I'm with Veda on this. Only in the US is it anywhere near "a done deal". In mexico it is a "philosophical society."


    From Senator Nick Xenophon:

    "What we are seeing is a worldwide pattern of abuse and criminality... On the body of evidence, this is not happening by accident; it is happening by design.

    In 1955, L. Ron Hubbard secretly authored this booklet http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthrea...tics-revisited to be used as a black propaganda vehicle for attacking his critics, by identifying them with Russian Communism. Some years later, the booklet slowly faded into obscurity. It was no longer useful as a propaganda vehicle. During the period of the Vietnam war, Hubbard had decided that "Nazi," not "Communist," was a more effective "button" to push, to influence public opinion to Scientology's advantage. Another reason for this booklet fading into obscurity was that Hubbard was now using many of its ideas and methods on his own followers, and on others. Hubbard had been doing this for many years prior, but it was now intensified. These ideas and methods are interwoven into Scientology doctrine, and integral to that doctrine.



    Senator Nick Xenophon continued:

    Scientology is not a religious organisation. It is a criminal organisation that hides behind its so-called religious beliefs."

    It's noteworthy that the first official body to recognize Hubbard's use of this booklet's ideas and methods was from Australia in the 1960s and, now, another Australian official is continuing the tradition of insightful and courageous truth-telling regarding the secretive cult of Scientology.

    From Free to shine:

    Why not just call it scientology???

    I have never called it a church and I never will. I don't even use a capital S unless it's the start of a sentence. I was there when it was decided that it should be a religion, and I know what a farce it was.

    I think it's only those who feel the need to be politically correct who use the word "Church", in the media and so on to avoid getting dogpiled for 'religious discrimination'.





    From Lermanet, replying to Veda and Gadfly:

    In 1994, one of the used (Im not saying correct, just one of methods used) ways to guess who was either OSA or duped by osa or too dumb to be of any worth to the expose scientology movement anyway, was to see if they could say "XENU"...

    Ten years later, the rule of thumb *I* use, on all except for the very-newest-escapees, to determine this is DO THEY CALL IT A CHURCH or refer to it as a RELIGION. I feel it works for me, you're mileage may vary.

    Thoroughly understanding the materials collected on my RELIGIOUS CLOAKING PAGE leads to the inescapable conclusion that $cientology is an elaborate hypnotic FRAUD that has been CLOAKED using RELIGIOUS CLOAKING.



    This point is not lost on their own lawyers, and thorough application of such comprehensions demonstrated here.. in the last time $cientology tried to depose me in 1997 at the Law Offices of Mr Sinclair in Alexandria Virginia, a camera had been set up to video this, if you want proof ask OSA to post this video:

    DEPOSITION STARTS

    Clam lawyer Rosen asked: Mr Lerma, why do you continue to say bad things about the Church of Scientology???

    Lerma: Mr Rosen, in your question, are you referring to the international psychopolitical terrorist organization running a rapidly shrinking but still brisk fraud upon innocent citizens worldwide dba scientology and related entities and front groups???

    Rosen (Face gets red) said (acting angry) (waving arms around) : Mr. Lerma, you can't describe the CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY that way.

    Lerma: Mr Rosen are trying to trick me into committing perjury on your behalf?

    Rosen: This deposition is OVER.

    THE END.


    Try to remember this one lesson:

    A person takes his first step to becoming a scientologist when they start to believe the first one of scientology's LIES and they are NOT really out of scientology's field of influence until they stop believing every lie.

    Arnie Lerma


    Lermanet.com Exposing the CON since 1993
    Visit the Ex Scientologist Message Board web site for selected content from ESMB and more: http://exscn.net/

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