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    LH guess we were on the same wavelength!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lionheart View Post
    As you will discover in your Idenics sessions if you are still having them, the thing you handle first is the PC in front of you! Not his circuits, charge or pain, you handle whatever the pc wants handled. I believe that is what Alan does too.

    Hubbard was looking, all the way through his Dn and SCn career, for a mechanistic, unthinking way of handling cases. Whether this was because he was a mechanistic sort of a person himself or because he felt he couldn't pass on or teach "flair" is a moot point.

    What you are quoting Vinaire is Hubbard's early attempt at a gradient or bridge. He always felt you had to unburdon the case by releasing the lighter charge first. This is only one way of looking at a "case".

    Last Friday I did a releasing session on the phone with someone who needed a spot of help. I let him communicate what he really wanted to "handle" until he had identified the major area of charge as it currently appeared to him. Once he'd spotted it we ran some releasing questions and within less than 10 minutes he was laughing out loud and he said it was the first time he'd laughed for months!

    This exposed a new area of the major charge as he now saw it, so we ran some more releasing and I gave him a series of questions he can now ask himself to enable him to achieve what he really wants to achieve in life.

    The whole session took less than 20 minutes and he ended the phone call more optimistic about his life than he'd felt in months.

    Simple. Flair is not difficult to apply in handling "cases" despite what Ron told us, all you have to do is listen to what the person is saying.

    In my experience of many years as an Scn auditor and many more just being someone who helps people, it is MUCH easier just to release whatever the person wishes to release.

    Studying Hubbard's arbitrary unburdening techniques is ok if he feel you need a step by step guide, but in my experience you don't help the PC particularly effecively and of course there are legions of Scns and ex-Scns who ended up protesting Hiubbard's slow, invalidative, evaluative, mechanistic tech and his "bridge" to only Hubbard knows where.
    If it is so simple, how come more people are not doing this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post


    LH guess we were on the same wavelength!
    Well, that's not surprising!

    For me, as an ex Scn auditor, the relief in what I do these days is that I listen to what the person wants to handle and simply adapt the releasing techniques in order to try to help them let go. When that is done. I try to show the person how they can do that for themselves so that there is no dependency on me.

    I am delighted if they don't feel the need to contact me again for help! So much more fun than being a Scn tech terminal!

    I also don't mind what they do with the releasing techniques that I show them! They can alter them, ignore them or do whatever they want with them. I try to show them how natural and easy releasing is and if I do that, I consider my work is done! They can always contact me again if they want some more help.

    So much easier and satisfying than when I was a grade chart tech slave!

    I will always be grateful to Ron for what he taught me about listening and some of the basic priciples of releasing. But I am so glad I'm not a slave to his mechanistic approach any more!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinaire View Post
    If it is so simple, how come more people are not doing this?

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    Well, more people are doing it than you probably realise! But it is a good question. I think it is probably because people tend to complicate it too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lionheart View Post
    Well, more people are doing it than you probably realise! But it is a good question. I think it is probably because people tend to complicate it too much.
    Actually, it sounds to me like applying fairly straightforward 'therapies', mostly 'talk' therapies, which resembe many others and have a proven track record, whatever you call them.

    What's *different* from Scientology is the lack of baggage. Lack of 'save the world' baggage. Lack of 'find the who' baggage. Lack of 'Clear the planet/Clear the person' baggage.

    Why don't more people use it? I think lots of people use it, although, possibly not under the 'Idenics' label.

    Imagine the invention of the Vice Grip. The VG includes lots of 'previous technology'; screws, levers, plier jaws etc., yet, taken together, it's a great tool. I'd say a workshop or toolshed without a Vice Grip is lacking, although, you can usually find something else that works too. But, imagine if the inventor, manufacturer, marketer of the Vice Grip 'pulled a Ron' with it, and proclaimed it the *only* tool you need. Claimed it could cure hemmerhoids, bad breath, astigmatism; could end war, poverty and insanity and advised using it for every purpose, such as hammering nails, turning screws or fastening shelves; all of which, by the way, it *can* do, just not very well.

    It would very likely become a laughing stock; be called 'pseudo-toolism' and would attract its cadre of critics who pointed out the numerous injuries inflicted by attempting to use it beyond its actual value.

    Now, I'm not saying Scientology is a Vice Grip; I'm a long way from seeing it as having any similar intrinsic value, especially because of its intrinsic 'baggage' of lies, abuse and megalomania.

    But, there are 'techniques' within Scientology that are not or should not be tinged by the liabilities of Scientology.

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    Default What underlies Dianetics

    This is what I am coming to understand. I hope I am right.

    From a person’s irrational behavior the therapist may guess at the underlying mode of thinking. These are "circuits" that the person is not aware of but which make him behave in that irrational manner. The therapist asks for incidents to do with such modes of thinking (by others or self). He brings those incidents fully to the person’s awareness, making the person realize the existence of those circuits in his current behavior. Such realization frees him of those circuits.

    These circuits suppress intense emotional feelings (charge). As circuits are removed, a person starts becoming aware of intense emotional feelings. The therapist asks for incidents containing those feelings. He brings those incidents fully to the person’s awareness, making the person realize the circumstances which caused those intense feelings. Such realization reduces the blinding intenseness of those feelings.

    These intense emotional feelings suppress the actual perception (from one’s viewpoint) of what had happened to one. The overwhelming pain in one’s life comes to view. Since the person is now much more himself, he can start to confront and handle the pain in his life.

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