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    Quote Originally Posted by Headend View Post
    Thanks LH, I knew you would get that.

    Your question is a good one. Some of the Upanishads and the Tao Te Ching very elegantly almost poetically point to the answer. I just love the the opening line of the Tao Te Ching which is something like, The Tao that can be told isn't the true Tao. In other words look beyond the words to what they describe, that to which they point. The Buddhist's also have the metaphor of the finger pointing to the moon. The finger isn't it.

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    The Dianetics, materialistic starting point of "survival" was the primary misunderstanding of existence rather than the primary principle of existence, in my opinion.

    It set Hubbard on tracks that led him further and further away from the inexpressible truth. A study of most all of the great religious ideas gives a hint of the true reality that poor Ron missed so hopelessly and brought him to his sad end.
    "There is a Reality which is Indivisible, One, Alone, the Source and Being of all; not a thing, nor even a mind, but pure Spirit or clear Consciousness; and we are That and nothing but That, for That is our true Nature; and the only way to find It is to look steadily within, where are to be found utmost peace, unfading joy, and eternal life itself." (Douglas Harding)

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    Quote Originally Posted by lionheart View Post
    The Dianetics, materialistic starting point of "survival" was the primary misunderstanding of existence rather than the primary principle of existence, in my opinion.

    It set Hubbard on tracks that led him further and further away from the inexpressible truth. A study of most all of the great religious ideas gives a hint of the true reality that poor Ron missed so hopelessly and brought him to his sad end.
    I agree the starting point is wrong and the goal is wrong.

    I was only thinking much the same thing earlier how could the great LRH not only miss but dismiss what all the great religions and traditions point to. Hard to find in some today but it's there at the heart of them all if you know what your looking for.
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    I think that the use of word SURVIVAL is just fine to describe any existence.

    STATIC is neither existing nor not existing. Using the word "eternal" to describe a STATIC is not correct.

    The word NOW has to do with TIME whether "eternal" or not.

    Why is it so hard for some to understand!

    Maybe they are just brainwashed by TIME...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinaire View Post
    The word NOW has to do with TIME whether "eternal" or not..
    It is eternal because it never ceases to be now.

    It's always now. The things that appear in the present moment constantly change this is part of the illusion but it's always now, it can never not be now.

    Perhaps Static and now are the same thing. When I say now I do not mean the things that appear in it.

    Ponder that for a moment because I don't expect you to get it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vinaire View Post
    Maybe they are just brainwashed by TIME...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinaire View Post
    I think that the use of word SURVIVAL is just fine to describe any existence.

    STATIC is neither existing nor not existing. Using the word "eternal" to describe a STATIC is not correct.

    The word NOW has to do with TIME whether "eternal" or not.

    Why is it so hard for some to understand!

    Maybe they are just brainwashed by TIME...

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    NOW has nothing whatsoever to do with time in my experience!

    There is only "now". It has nothing to do with duration or time, although it appears to.

    There is only "life" and it has nothing to do with "energy", although it appears to.

    There is only "here". It has nothing to do with space, although it appears to.

    There is only "something". It has nothing to do with matter, although it appears to.

    There is only here and now, life and something, everything else is the apparent, the illusion.

    Here, now, life and something come from the void the no-here, no-now, no-life. no-thing. The void which holds the reflected illusion we call matter, energy, space and time. The void which gives way to the illusion, the ultimate sacrifice and love.
    "There is a Reality which is Indivisible, One, Alone, the Source and Being of all; not a thing, nor even a mind, but pure Spirit or clear Consciousness; and we are That and nothing but That, for That is our true Nature; and the only way to find It is to look steadily within, where are to be found utmost peace, unfading joy, and eternal life itself." (Douglas Harding)

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    Quote Originally Posted by lionheart View Post

    NOW has nothing whatsoever to do with time in my experience!

    There is only "now". It has nothing to do with duration or time, although it appears to.

    There is only "life" and it has nothing to do with "energy", although it appears to.

    There is only "here". It has nothing to do with space, although it appears to.

    There is only "something". It has nothing to do with matter, although it appears to.

    There is only here and now, life and something, everything else is the apparent, the illusion.

    Here, now, life and something come from the void the no-here, no-now, no-life. no-thing. The void which holds the reflected illusion we call matter, energy, space and time. The void which gives way to the illusion, the ultimate sacrifice and love.


    Damn them illusions - wish my illusionary tax collectors, illusionary bankers and illusionary service providers would stop wanting their illusionary cheques and illusionary payments each month.

    Musta stepped into an illusion that I can rarely get free from
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post


    Damn them illusions - wish my illusionary tax collectors, illusionary bankers and illusionary service providers would stop wanting their illusionary cheques and illusionary payments each month.

    Musta stepped into an illusion that I can rarely get free from


    You know that all one has to do is not resist the illusion!

    Your love for tax collectors, bankers and serrvice providers is such that you give way to them and let them fill the void. This is the miracle of life.

    I suppose that you are implying that I am being impractical, but what I said is the most highly practical.

    Resisting the illusion, trying to stop it or control it means that you "can rarely get free from" it. That or desiring what you believe is lacking in the illusion.

    Your processing, as far as I understand it, addresses this resistence and this desire, as does all good processing.

    My above post is the philosophical background to good processing, but you know that already.
    "There is a Reality which is Indivisible, One, Alone, the Source and Being of all; not a thing, nor even a mind, but pure Spirit or clear Consciousness; and we are That and nothing but That, for That is our true Nature; and the only way to find It is to look steadily within, where are to be found utmost peace, unfading joy, and eternal life itself." (Douglas Harding)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headend View Post
    It is eternally "Now". You can only rember the past now & when the future arrives it will be now. Time is an illusion.

    Why can't people see that...?
    How much is now?

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    It is not so much "now" that is important but the degree of awareness any being possesses concerning where and when he/she is directing their attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tanstaafl View Post
    It is not so much "now" that is important but the degree of awareness any being possesses concerning where and when he/she is directing their attention.
    The being only ever "directs" their attention right here, this moment, now.

    When someone "remembers" the "past", they are looking at now, here, images and feelings that are here, now. Thay are not directing their attention to the "past".

    When someone "imagines" the "future" they are looking at now, here, images and feelings that are here, now.

    Once you realise that, you are the observer unobserved, the creator uncreated, the mover unmoved, the nameless namer. And you are free!

    All we ever do is observe. Realise that and you are a Seer. The mystical goal of the western and eastern spiritual movements.
    "There is a Reality which is Indivisible, One, Alone, the Source and Being of all; not a thing, nor even a mind, but pure Spirit or clear Consciousness; and we are That and nothing but That, for That is our true Nature; and the only way to find It is to look steadily within, where are to be found utmost peace, unfading joy, and eternal life itself." (Douglas Harding)

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