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    From time to time, a psychotherapist receives a request for help from someone who has recently left a cult. These patients may present symptoms of anxiety and depression, as do many others, but they constitute a group with special problems that require special knowledge on the part of the therapist.

    The story these patients recount is remarkably similar from one to the next, regardless of differing educational, social, or financial backgrounds. They usually tell of joining the cult when they were at a transition point in their lives. Dissatisfied with their ordinary pursuits and relationships and hungry for a meaningful life that would satisfy their spiritual longings, they encountered an attractive, smiling young man or woman who enthusiastically described the happiness to be found in his or her dedicated, loving group and its wonderful, enlightened leader. They were invited to visit the group and did so. At that first meeting, they were impressed, if not overwhelmed, by the warm attention they received. In addition, they may have been emotionally stirred by singing; meditation, or other activities and may even have entered an altered state of consciousness under the influence of the group's leader. Such impressive experiences were interpreted as proof of both the leader’s advanced spiritual state and the newcomer's readiness to receive initiation. After one or two more meetings, they decided to join.

    Having joined, the new convert's life was immediately filled with work meetings, and exercises that left little time or energy for the life he or she left behind. Even if the convert was married and had a family, the partner and the children were regarded as less important than the avowed mission of the group to benefit all of humanity to save the world. The conflict between group demands amid outside commitments grew steadily sharper until the convert relinquished all relationships with those outside the group or the family broke up as the spouse reached the limit of tolerance. The ally was now totally dependent on the group and the leader for emotional and financial support.

    The group that initially was warm and loving revealed its cold, punitive side whenever a convert questioned the group’s beliefs or criticized the behavior of the leader. Such dissent was labeled “selfish” or “evil,” and group approval was withdrawn and the dissenter isolated. Members were taught, therefore, that what the group had given, the group could take away. Out of fear of such punishment by the group and of humiliation and censure by the leader, converts found themselves engaging in the intimidation and coercion of fellow converts, the deception and seduction of new recruits, and other behaviors that violated ethical standards held before joining the cult. Such actions were rationalized by reference to the overriding importance of the group’s purpose and to the leader’s superior wisdom.

    Eventually, the strain of conforming to the demands of the group became too much, especially it children were involved. The convert protester refused to comply with the latest demands and was dealt with severely. Finally, in desperation, he (or she) left the cult. Immediately, the leader branded him as damned, possessed by Satan, and having lost his soul. At the very least, he had failed the best arid lost his chance at enlightenment. Just as painful, people with whom he had shared his most intimate secrets and felt the greatest acceptance and love now turned their backs and refused to communicate. Feeling totally alone, the ex-cult member experienced a turmoil of feelings: rage at the betrayal, fear of retaliation, horror at the possibility of perpetual damnation, grief at the loss of group support and affection, and. shame at having been duped. At this point, he may turn to a therapist for help.

    The anxiety and depression such patients feel usually is secondary to a bigger problem: a loss of trust in others and, especially loss of trust in their own judgment and spiritual perceptions. Additionally, they may feel guilt over unethical actions they engaged in to please the group and despair at the loss of time, money, and relationships. To recover from the trauma of their cult experience, these patients need to understand what happened and why, and so does the psychotherapist who treats them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pooks View Post
    This was posted on OCMB by "Snow White"

    http://www.deikman.com/former.html

    From time to time, a psychotherapist receives a request for help from someone who has recently left a cult. These patients may present symptoms of anxiety and depression, as do many others, but they constitute a group with special problems that require special knowledge on the part of the therapist.

    The story these patients recount is remarkably similar from one to the next, regardless of differing educational, social, or financial backgrounds. They usually tell of joining the cult when they were at a transition point in their lives. Dissatisfied with their ordinary pursuits and relationships and hungry for a meaningful life that would satisfy their spiritual longings, they encountered an attractive, smiling young man or woman who enthusiastically described the happiness to be found in his or her dedicated, loving group and its wonderful, enlightened leader. They were invited to visit the group and did so. At that first meeting, they were impressed, if not overwhelmed, by the warm attention they received. In addition, they may have been emotionally stirred by singing; meditation, or other activities and may even have entered an altered state of consciousness under the influence of the group's leader. Such impressive experiences were interpreted as proof of both the leader’s advanced spiritual state and the newcomer's readiness to receive initiation. After one or two more meetings, they decided to join.

    Having joined, the new convert's life was immediately filled with work meetings, and exercises that left little time or energy for the life he or she left behind. Even if the convert was married and had a family, the partner and the children were regarded as less important than the avowed mission of the group to benefit all of humanity to save the world. The conflict between group demands amid outside commitments grew steadily sharper until the convert relinquished all relationships with those outside the group or the family broke up as the spouse reached the limit of tolerance. The ally was now totally dependent on the group and the leader for emotional and financial support.

    The group that initially was warm and loving revealed its cold, punitive side whenever a convert questioned the group’s beliefs or criticized the behavior of the leader. Such dissent was labeled “selfish” or “evil,” and group approval was withdrawn and the dissenter isolated. Members were taught, therefore, that what the group had given, the group could take away. Out of fear of such punishment by the group and of humiliation and censure by the leader, converts found themselves engaging in the intimidation and coercion of fellow converts, the deception and seduction of new recruits, and other behaviors that violated ethical standards held before joining the cult. Such actions were rationalized by reference to the overriding importance of the group’s purpose and to the leader’s superior wisdom.

    Eventually, the strain of conforming to the demands of the group became too much, especially it children were involved. The convert protester refused to comply with the latest demands and was dealt with severely. Finally, in desperation, he (or she) left the cult. Immediately, the leader branded him as damned, possessed by Satan, and having lost his soul. At the very least, he had failed the best arid lost his chance at enlightenment. Just as painful, people with whom he had shared his most intimate secrets and felt the greatest acceptance and love now turned their backs and refused to communicate. Feeling totally alone, the ex-cult member experienced a turmoil of feelings: rage at the betrayal, fear of retaliation, horror at the possibility of perpetual damnation, grief at the loss of group support and affection, and. shame at having been duped. At this point, he may turn to a therapist for help.

    The anxiety and depression such patients feel usually is secondary to a bigger problem: a loss of trust in others and, especially loss of trust in their own judgment and spiritual perceptions. Additionally, they may feel guilt over unethical actions they engaged in to please the group and despair at the loss of time, money, and relationships. To recover from the trauma of their cult experience, these patients need to understand what happened and why, and so does the psychotherapist who treats them.

    Continues: http://www.deikman.com/former.html

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    My whole existence down through time flashed before me as I read this - having been the cause and effect of both sides - it is the rewards and penalties of origination.

    Do you like my hair? Or; do I look fat in this? Or......or.....or.....even down to; do you like my post or don't you? Yuk!

    ESMB that initially was warm and loving revealed its cold, punitive side whenever a convert questioned the ESMB or the group’s beliefs or criticized the behavior of the leader. Such dissent was labeled “selfish” or “evil,” and group approval was withdrawn and the dissenter isolated. (Sent to ARS to languish in hell!)

    Members are taught, therefore, that what the ESMB powers or the group had given, the group could take away. Out of fear of such punishment by the group and of humiliation and censure by the leader, converts found themselves engaging in the intimidation and coercion of fellow converts, the deception and seduction of new recruits, and other behaviors that violated ethical standards held before joining the cult.

    Such actions were rationalized by reference to the overriding importance of the group’s purpose and to the leader’s superior wisdom.



    Merry Xmas and happy Game Playing! :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    My whole existence down through time flashed before me as I read this - having been the cause and effect of both sides - it is the rewards and penalties of origination.

    Do you like my hair? Or; do I look fat in this? Or......or.....or.....even down to; do you like my post or don't you? Yuk!

    ESMB that initially was warm and loving revealed its cold, punitive side whenever a convert questioned the ESMB or the group’s beliefs or criticized the behavior of the leader. Such dissent was labeled “selfish” or “evil,” and group approval was withdrawn and the dissenter isolated. (Sent to ARS to languish in hell!)

    Members are taught, therefore, that what the ESMB powers or the group had given, the group could take away. Out of fear of such punishment by the group and of humiliation and censure by the leader, converts found themselves engaging in the intimidation and coercion of fellow converts, the deception and seduction of new recruits, and other behaviors that violated ethical standards held before joining the cult.

    Such actions were rationalized by reference to the overriding importance of the group’s purpose and to the leader’s superior wisdom.



    Merry Xmas and happy Game Playing! :D

    Alan
    Hmmm. I don't remember seeing any of that happening, although I did witness a bit of petulent and unnecessary group 'support' and 'revenge' by some few who thought that was how to 'help' their friend. Both sides

    Small potatoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinjifar View Post
    Hmmm. I don't remember seeing any of that happening, although I did witness a bit of petulent and unnecessary group 'support' and 'revenge' by some few who thought that was how to 'help' their friend. Both sides

    Small potatoes.

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    IMO, I think that some of Alan's post was alluding to recent events about Dennis (to be more blunt about it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    ESMB that initially was warm and loving revealed its cold, punitive side whenever a convert questioned the ESMB or the group’s beliefs or criticized the behavior of the leader. Such dissent was labeled “selfish” or “evil,” and group approval was withdrawn and the dissenter isolated. (Sent to ARS to languish in hell!)
    Found on the Internet... and right on target!

    Terms of Service for "Playmates" (humor)

    1. ________ (fill in the blank) is a private networking "club", also known as "my sandbox".

    2. If you want to play in my sandbox, you have to play by my rules.

    3. I make the rules.

    4. If you don't like my rules, you can go play in someone else's sandbox or make one of your own. I don't have any exclusive on "sandboxes". There are plenty others to chose from.

    5. I have the right to kick anyone out of my sandbox for any reason I want. After all, it's my sandbox.

    6. If I don't like you, you cannot come play in my sandbox.

    7. You can invite others to play in my sandbox. If I like them, they can come play, too.

    8. If you damage my sandbox (or try), or you hurt my other playmates, or you tattle on me or anyone in my sandbox, I'll give you a black eye and then kick you out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    My whole existence down through time flashed before me as I read this - having been the cause and effect of both sides - it is the rewards and penalties of origination.

    Do you like my hair? Or; do I look fat in this? Or......or.....or.....even down to; do you like my post or don't you? Yuk!

    ESMB that initially was warm and loving revealed its cold, punitive side whenever a convert questioned the ESMB or the group’s beliefs or criticized the behavior of the leader. Such dissent was labeled “selfish” or “evil,” and group approval was withdrawn and the dissenter isolated. (Sent to ARS to languish in hell!)

    Members are taught, therefore, that what the ESMB powers or the group had given, the group could take away. Out of fear of such punishment by the group and of humiliation and censure by the leader, converts found themselves engaging in the intimidation and coercion of fellow converts, the deception and seduction of new recruits, and other behaviors that violated ethical standards held before joining the cult.

    Such actions were rationalized by reference to the overriding importance of the group’s purpose and to the leader’s superior wisdom.



    Merry Xmas and happy Game Playing! :D

    Alan


    Love and best wishes to you and yours this holiday season Alan.

    Without a game, what would we be?



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    Quote Originally Posted by alex View Post

    Without a game, what would we be?
    Happy?
    Unaberrated?


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    Quote Originally Posted by tanstaafl View Post
    Happy?
    Unaberrated?

    Static?

    Not moving?

    Potential unrealized?

    Bored?

    Be, do, have.

    Do is the game.

    Who are we and what do we want?

    Best holiday wishes to you also!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alex View Post

    Without a game, what would we be?



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    Rock 'N Roll Gypsies - Roger Tillison

    Of the far away places and friends
    And the people and the faces I've learned
    I'll sing you a song; but I won't sing too long
    For the tambourine's playing
    and the Carnival's calling me on

    And the Rock n Roll Gypsies are riding tonight
    And the carnival lights they play
    And the golden earrings flash in the light
    And light is more than a play

    For tomorrow will soon, be yesterday

    Of the motherless children who ride
    On the shadowless highways of night
    It's all just the same; and it's all just a game
    For the winners take nothing
    And the losers are all that remain

    But the Rock n Roll Gypsies are riding tonight
    And the carnival lights they play
    And the golden earrings flash in the light
    And life is more than a play.

    For tomorrow will soon
    Be yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alex View Post


    Love and best wishes to you and yours this holiday season Alan.

    Without a game, what would we be?




    alex
    UK citizens wishing they had a football or cricket team!

    Mery Xmas Alex!

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