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    PART 18:

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    Sometimes, though, I just didn’t want to burn through all my expensive auditing hours running correction lists. My “solution” then was to simply “look” in my mind or wherever for what was really bothering me at that moment. This is all while the auditor was running through the correction list items. Once I found my item by myself, I didn’t hesitate to kindly interrupt the auditor and just tell him what it was. I could do this because I had run through some of those correction lists so many times previously that it was practically committed to memory. Many times the item I originated read on the meter when I voiced it so we would then take it up in whatever way the tech said we needed to, and in short order I would be F/N’ing and VGI’s. I mention this because that self-determined decision to “look” at what was real and true for me was responsible for some of my quickest gains in Scientology. I also took a "win" on saving myself some hours instead of having to run through long correction lists! Not doing my own self-determined “looking” but instead being a “good PC” by following the rote directions based on LRH’s references did not always do this for me. As I would later discover, this type of “effective looking” was the key to my success with Idenics.

    During my Bridge progress, it took a lot of auditing intensives to blow enough charge to make some type of change in my life. I was doing what was programmed by the C/S,who got his/her data from LRH’s writing. But LRH wasn’t me. So how come he got to pick and choose what I should address? Evaluate much? With that gross outpoint noted, I can say that Dianetics Auditing was good in that it did come closer than other processes in addressing my items. But instead of dealing with the mocked-up beingness I was actually stuck in, it instead had me locate an incident I could“comfortably face”, then go earlier/similar to locate the earliest beginning of a chain of incidents. The other problem with going earlier/similar is that with each new incident located, I was probably switching from one way of being to another. We might have been on the same chain from incident to incident, but I was not being the same identity. Auditing incidents in this fashion would bleed off some charge. But it never fully handled any given viewpoint of mine that could be stuck and subsequently could not help me to resolve my true unwanted conditions.

    Unlike Scientology, in Idenics I’ve discovered that it is not necessary that the client have a good memory in order to resolve their personal unwanted conditions. Nor is it necessary to specifically locate the actual beginning of the incident; No locating the exact time, place, form and event is necessary. In some of my sessions we did locate the beginning. In others, we did not. So what do you do if the client cannot locate its starting point? The simple truth is that whatever viewpoint or identity one has assumed in order to handle some confusion, regardless of when, why or how that situation started, if it’s stuck, the person is still dealing with it in the present time. As such, the solution simply involves having the client look at what is there now. If you are able to locate a condition’s origin, that’s good as it acts as a reference point. In that case, the client would then consider past events and answer questions generally from the past to aid in looking at the unwanted condition that exists right now. This is explained in much greater detail inChapter 15, “Time and Memory” in the book, Idenics: An Alternative to Therapy.

    Also, whereas in Scientology we seemed to mainly focus on what happened to me, in Idenics, we addressed how I responded to that which happened. And what I got stuck with thereafter. Since the things that happened in the past are done and gone forever, we can’t change that, but we can change how we face the future. And if we can alleviate the automatic responses we’ve stuck ourselves with, then we can choose to respond however we wish to whatever life presents. I would say that Idenics has helped me to regain that free power of choice to a very marked degree. I’ll go into some of my big Idenics “wins” in a future post. But one thing I can say is it really put me back into a “doingness” of things that I really need or want to be doing. I don’t get hung up or stuck on needless worrying about things. Less thinking and more doing = more accomplished. And, I felt invigorated after my Idenics sessions and hugely keyed-out. I didn’t feel exhausted like I did after my Scientology sessions.

    In Idenics, I got to originate what I wanted to address. And in addressing it, we did not have to run a whole chain of incidents. To use a Scientology phrase, in Idenics it was like I backed up three feet from the scene, then looked at it from the appropriate viewpoint. That’s all that was needed to resolve the entire condition in one fell swoop. Even now, that still seems pretty fantastic, especially having come from a Scientology background. But I’m coming around quite nicely to this new understanding of things. J

    Finally, when I took a look at the differences between the two practices, I began to really see there was truly no need to waste time running one incident, then an earlier incident, then an even earlier incident,etc. I understand that over the years there were tech advances that made things move quicker. But still, Idenics’ speed compared to Scientology is like a bullet train compared to a snail. And I know that bullet train will actually get me to my destination.

    What the hell do I care about all these incidents for anyway? They’re just things that happened to me. And in Dianetics, all I focused on was getting to those moments of pain and unconsciousness. That can take quite a bit of effort to get into each and every engram, spending lots of time going back to the beginning, and picking up additional data. Again, just to find out what happened. In ALL of my Idenics sessions, NONE of them had to do with a moment of pain or unconsciousness. I don’t know how it will be for you but that’s how it was for me. The point is, MY unwanted conditions did not require a strict adherence to someone else’s ideas of where my “aberrations” came from. Only I could know where they came from and through Idenics we found the right answer.

    Lastly, I’d like to tell you some of my favorite things about receiving Idenics processing. As a comparison, to do Scientology auditing, you need to be well fed and well rested, and then once session starts there’s usually time needed to fly ruds. But with Idenics, we did this over the phone,while I was in the comfort of my home. I dressed however I wanted. I may not have even showered yet that morning. We didn’t check for my metab or sessionability (granted, I made sure I had eaten and was not exhausted) or fly ruds. But best of all, for several of my sessions, I was outside on my patio, smoking cigarettes and drinking my coffee while “taking a look” and answering questions. I love to smoke so have no plans to take this up as a “personal unwanted condition”. In fact, that’s one of my personal wanted conditions. But I digress… What was best of all was this fact of complete and total comfort and relaxation. It wasn’t like in Scientology where I was apprehensive about having to spend time flying ruds or coughing up whatever overt I had somehow committed in between sessions. This was something I really looked forward to because I knew it would get handled, and most likely, in one shot. But that was because I trusted myself to do my own effective looking. After the first session with Mike, I knew he knew what he was doing, so the rest was very, Very, VERY easy compared to an auditing process. With no reaching for this, that or the other correction list, there was just no fumbling around with all sorts of questions trying to find that elusive reading item like is done in Scientology.

    So, I’m not telling you that you should start smoking to make your Idenics processing run that much smoother. But then again…

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    PART 19:

    I was thinking I would next address the Scientology subject of Theta versus Entheta; the idea of Theta crashing too hard into MEST and becoming enturbulated, subsequently turning into Entheta. But going down that road requires some amount of figuring and thinking and explaining to fully describe the mechanism and all its permutations. Frankly, the idea of talking about all that significance and theory is exhausting. The whole idea elicits innumerable ways and means that this can happen, and the repercussions on the pc. LRH already spent quite a bit of time doing that exact thing in his numerous lectures and bulletins so there’s no need for me to do my own version. And that’s not to mention the myriad Scientology case remedies he (and others) devised to handle this “entheta” in an effort to change it back into “theta”.

    To be honest, the more I learn about how easy it is to resolve things with Idenics, the more I look at the whole of Scientology as a convoluted mess; almost a joke. Having read about LRH’s “affirmations”, it can certainly seem from one viewpoint to be a sinister joke on all of us who got caught up in it. But regardless of whatever nefarious intentions Ron had, from some of the stories I’ve read and conversations I’ve had with people who worked with him, it seems Ron did become, or perhaps always was, a “true believer” in his own tech. He not only took a bite of his own apple, he apparently ate the whole thing, seeds and all. Though it didn’t work out at the end for him, based on his constant illnesses, increasingly bizarre behavior and what condition he was in when he died, his work did seem to further us along the path of enlightenment, at least to some degree. It at least provided a different look at things. And it kept people like John Galusha and Mike Goldstein looking for better answers to help people resolve their personal unwanted conditions. So, as much as I’ve been critical of LRH and Scientology in these posts, I freely admit the “tech” did have some merit and helped me as well as others. But why ride on that horse and buggy when you can take the bullet train?

    So instead of directly discussing Theta/Entheta from a Scientological perspective, I think a discussion of my experience with Idenics will make that entire topic unnecessary. In my Idenics sessions, we picked up and handled whatever I wanted to handle at that moment. After 6 or more sessions, I found the amount of supposed “entheta” I was dealing with so markedly reduced, I really didn’t care for further sessions. I found I was just able to get on with the business of living. This handling didn’t require multiple, hours long sessions. Nor did it require multiple intensives and auditing rundowns. No trips to Ethics or registrars. For me, it was a matter of about half an intensive, time-wise. How is it possible that so much could be resolved so quickly? Maybe it’s true that people are not as screwed up as they think they are, or that others would have them believe. That the “road out” is not so long as to require months of auditing, like is done in Scientology on a one-on-one basis for the lower Bridge, or years of self-auditing on the OT Levels. For me, it required simply “taking a look” at what the biggest things were that I wanted to address. Once those were resolved, other things on which I may have had my attention just seemed to drop off in their significance or importance. In that respect, quite a bit of “entheta” returned to its native state.

    Whatever the truth of that Scientology theory, the fact is with Idenics I got better and quickly. It was like engaging in an almost total decluging of my “case”. And I didn’t have to mock up all these additives (engrams, ARC breaks, Overts/Withholds, BT’s, clusters, implants, etc.) to explain why I was in the condition I was in. We just took a look at the problem from a perspective I hadn’t look at before either in the Church or on my own, and I discovered how it was that I put myself in that condition. For me, it only took a few sessions, at which point I was able to get on with the “show”.

    I’ve now arrived at a point where, were I to consider going back and doing Scientology service, I think, “BLECH!”, knowing the evaluation that would come down on me from the “tech”, with all of its additions and theories as to “what’s wrong with me”. Who needs that nonsense when it I could just “take a look” at what the real issue is? In addition, years ago the Org lost its “Island of Sanity” feeling for me once the regging for whatever became more important than training or processing. I could somewhat handle the aggressive recruit cycles, but these various reg events (IAS & “Ideal Org”, in particular) were something else entirely. I found none to be pleasant or rewarding “across my dynamics”.

    Getting back to Idenics, it really is just a way to pick yourself up, dust yourself off and get on with it, whatever that specific “it” is for you. It does not include “clearing the planet” or “donating” all your money or spending 60 to 100 hours per week on Staff denying yourself so others can go “free”, or borrowing every last cent from anywhere possible in order to achieve supposed greater freedom or power in life (or to help fund DM’s newest project). It just doesn’t require that sort of self-abnegation. What it does require is working with a trained Idenics practitioner to get to the root cause of your problems, inspecting those issues and resolving them to your satisfaction. Knowing how wonderful this works, I’m learning all I can about this methodology so I can help my friends and family to have their own wins and gains. And not the kind that are “similar to mine” since I know they’ve got their own unique issues they want to handle.

    As a result of my Idenics sessions, I found a slightly different world waiting for me. More accurately stated, since I was more spontaneous and less “automatic” in my thinking and reactions, I found I responded better to the ever changing world around me. I had regained my ability to take life as it comes. It is a subtle yet noticeable difference. This isn’t necessarily some magical state or feeling. Or is it? I feel like I simply got rid of a thousand pound sack of rocks that was weighing me down. No longer burdened with that, I can now stand straight up and enjoy the view as I continue on my journey. While I was figuratively carrying that much weight, it was like I was forced to keep my eyes on the ground in front of me, not looking at and experiencing life’s pleasures as much as I could. In an earlier post, I mentioned my biggest win with Idenics was the general sense of “peace” I had achieved. Regarding this, it’s not to suggest that difficult or even alarming things can’t or don’t happen, or that things won’t occasionally go as I expect or intend, or even that I don’t temporarily get frustrated or upset. It’s just I’m not going to react to those things in the fixed, aberrated manner I used to. Instead, with the help of Mike and the Idenics procedures, I’ve been able to come more into “present time” and am thereby better able to handle or resolve issues with less personal repercussions. (A funny side note is the Org told me my next action was to re-do my Objectives, which have the End Phenomena of “Oriented in the Present Time of the Physical Universe”. Well, I think I’ve more than gotten that product from just a few hours of Idenics!)

    It seems as though life involves fresh new experiences that opened up for me after I did this processing. I could see how that might sound silly or exaggerated or even untrue for some. It would possibly sound that way to me had I not experienced it myself. But that is my experience – a little like being a kid again in that I’m no longer seeing life through those “stuck experience” glasses I had previously wore.

    The other thing I’ve discovered is that the Idenics processing inadvertently imparts a sort of “hatting action” to you. In an Idenics session, what is really addressed is “how one responded” to whatever happened, and I learned that looking at this aspect of things freed me up. So after I had a few sessions, I came to the conclusion that if I don’t get stuck in my responses, but instead just “notice” or let myself experience them as they’re happening, then I can move freely from one event to another in my life. In practice, it’s not always easy, but it can be done. And if I find myself temporarily “stuck”, Mike’s book explains how I can free up those “attention units” all by myself.

    So without worrying about how much “entheta” might yet be lingering in my “case”, I can function well in life and tackle the things I need to without concern. It’s certainly freed up a boat load of stuck attention units, and has allowed me to complete cycles of action in less time. Instead of worrying or fretting about things, I’m just doing them. This, in itself, is pretty awesome since I’ve had a bit of procrastination problem for most of my life that I can recall. Is there more Idenics processing I could do if I wanted? I’m sure there is. But since I’m now more productive with my time and seem to be working at a higher level capacity mentally, emotionally and spiritually, more processing does not interest me at the moment.

    Another really cool thing about Idenics as compared to Scientology is the self-recognition and validation of my wins and gains. In my Scientology experience, I could never be really sure I had completed something unless my needle floated at the examiner. Sometimes, I felt as though I had achieved something spectacular for me and either my needle didn’t float, or it didn’t get properly acknowledged by the auditor or C/S. Then I had to spend more time and money on review auditing to get it handled. Then again, I recall at least one time being sent to the examiner to do an attest cycle and I just wasn’t ready for it. So I got to experience more Review auditing to resolve any considerations or “hidden standards” I may have had. But with Idenics, I knew all by myself if my issue had been resolved. No “other determinism” needed or wanted. In fact, the first thought I had after blowing away my item in my first session was, “You know what, this can’t be invalidated!” I knew I had achieved resolution, regardless of what anyone else said or thought. Further, the testing ground is life. You’ll know if it’s still an issue. For me, it was indeed no longer an issue.

    It truly was magic for me (not Aleister Crowley’s version!). I was able to spot the exact how or why the problem originated, and spotting that took the automaticity off. Since I’ve removed my own restraints, I’m more fluid in my reactions or responses in life. Even as regards my “normal” routine, I now seem to experience it in a new unit of time, each and every time. There’s a bit of a feeling of “adventure” as a result of this new found freedom. It’s like I’m stably exterior to the scene by a few degrees, consciously picking and choosing what I’ll do next or how I’ll respond. It’s definitely a spiritual phenomenon as I feel more causative in life.

    I decided to learn to become an Idenics practitioner because, among other things, I have family and friends that have been stuck in things for many years and who wish they had a way out. They have communicated as much to me either directly or indirectly. Others I know simply want to improve upon things or become more able. Many of them have actively pursued different religions or therapies. I’ve always had a desire to help but as detailed in an earlier post, since I had a lot of difficulty in learning to become a trained Scientology auditor I dropped it. But I believe I can learn the Idenics methodology well enough to help them achieve their goals or dreams. And the beauty is it won’t take years of their lives!

    Should you decide to explore Idenics processing for yourself, my wish is that your particular issues get resolved to your complete satisfaction, and in a very short amount of time.

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    April 12, 2013
    My Two Cents
    Thanks, Take A Look, for inspiring me to communicate regarding my experience with idenics. I feel that it’s a subject worth talking about. This is my experience with it so far:
    It was the spring of 2011 and I was at the end of a decade of debilitating chronic insomnia. Also, I was crying almost daily over losing my youngest child as she went off to college and my purpose as a mother was made pretty much unnecessary.
    The insomnia had started during my last auditing in 2001, whenI was told I was not Clear and put onto NED. I was never really able to survive well at all in life following that, and no attempt at repair was able to handle it. I woke every day in a nonfunctional haze from sleep aids. My entire focus for the day would revolve around one thing: would I be able to sleep that night?
    The loss of my daughter that I was crying over was simply the natural progress of time, but one of the more difficult passages for many parents. I told my husband that I had to change my life and that I was going to start looking for a way to do that.
    He agreed (who wants to see their partner cry every day?)that I should do that, and off I went.
    After some searching on the internet, I found the idenics site.
    I spent the entire time that I was on the site either laughing or crying as I blew off tremendous amounts of evaluation that I had accumulated during my 30+ years in Scientology. (And, frankly, just from living a human existence on Earth.)
    I contacted Mike Goldstein, who spent an enormous amount of time with me, patiently answering my numerous questions and concerns regarding idenics. I decided to go ahead and try it with him. The initial appointment was at no charge and very convenient as it was over the phone.
    I am not trying to minimize or downplay the difficulty of this decision: it was tremendous. Reaching for help beyond the boundaries of Scientology was part of my own personal spiritual path and based on my desire to survive.
    Yet, I had been in Scientology since I was a teenager this lifetime and had spent 10 of those years on post in the Sea Organization. I have a child who is on post, many friends who are Scientologists, and my husband as well. It was not at all easy to move towards something new, knowing the possible consequences of my actions.
    Nonetheless, I went onto idenics services, as I felt it was right for me.
    What happened next was pretty unbelievable to me.
    Some examples:
    During idenics questions regarding things being hidden or put out of sight during a confusion and identity shift, I continually recovered huge parts of myself that had long been hidden. It was like my light had been hidden beneath innumerable baskets, and each time we worked together, another came off. I was able to observe and explore my own existence as I never had before.
    My condition of being haunted by chronic insomnia changed so completely, that I found it hard to recall that I had ever felt that way. I was no longer in the identity that had that chronic condition, so it no longer existed for me.
    I still love my daughter in college very much, but the thought of her does not make me cry over her loss.
    Now I wake up every day in love with life and full of gratitude for the simple fact of it.
    I have almost completed the idenics course, and am able to actually work on my own with idenics.
    Life upsets? Easily taken care of.
    Conditions that I would like to change for myself? Many I can address on my own, with some I still need occasional very brief assistance.
    Prior to LRH, western hemisphere techniques of psychotherapy could be brutal at worst, horribly evaluative at best. LRH removed evaluation given to the person in session. This was a huge improvement to me.
    That was the first 50 percent of the evaluation that needed to be removed from the subject. Idenics removes the second 50 percent. There is no evaluation, period. No program to follow. No pre-determined ‘state’ to achieve. You are your own guide map.
    Do you honestly think that someone else really knows exactly how it is for you regarding your personal situation in life?
    That is why idenics follows you wherever you need to go. As a subject, it does not assume it ‘already knows’ about your personal situation. But, it trusts that you do.
    The end result? The return of freedom of choice in the area you are addressing.
    It seems to me that personal freedom of choice for the individual has been on the decline for some time now. So it pleases me greatly when I see some of it being restored.
    I feel that idenics can assist with that purpose because it has done so for me. Love, Two Cents

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    Quote Originally Posted by Two Cents View Post
    April 12, 2013
    My Two Cents
    Thanks, Take A Look, for inspiring me to communicate regarding my experience with idenics. I feel that it’s a subject worth talking about. This is my experience with it so far:
    It was the spring of 2011 and I was at the end of a decade of debilitating chronic insomnia. Also, I was crying almost daily over losing my youngest child as she went off to college and my purpose as a mother was made pretty much unnecessary.
    The insomnia had started during my last auditing in 2001, whenI was told I was not Clear and put onto NED. I was never really able to survive well at all in life following that, and no attempt at repair was able to handle it. I woke every day in a nonfunctional haze from sleep aids. My entire focus for the day would revolve around one thing: would I be able to sleep that night?
    The loss of my daughter that I was crying over was simply the natural progress of time, but one of the more difficult passages for many parents. I told my husband that I had to change my life and that I was going to start looking for a way to do that.
    He agreed (who wants to see their partner cry every day?)that I should do that, and off I went.
    After some searching on the internet, I found the idenics site.
    I spent the entire time that I was on the site either laughing or crying as I blew off tremendous amounts of evaluation that I had accumulated during my 30+ years in Scientology. (And, frankly, just from living a human existence on Earth.)
    I contacted Mike Goldstein, who spent an enormous amount of time with me, patiently answering my numerous questions and concerns regarding idenics. I decided to go ahead and try it with him. The initial appointment was at no charge and very convenient as it was over the phone.
    I am not trying to minimize or downplay the difficulty of this decision: it was tremendous. Reaching for help beyond the boundaries of Scientology was part of my own personal spiritual path and based on my desire to survive.
    Yet, I had been in Scientology since I was a teenager this lifetime and had spent 10 of those years on post in the Sea Organization. I have a child who is on post, many friends who are Scientologists, and my husband as well. It was not at all easy to move towards something new, knowing the possible consequences of my actions. Nonetheless, I went onto idenics services, as I felt it was right for me.
    What happened next was pretty unbelievable to me.
    Some examples:
    During idenics questions regarding things being hidden or put out of sight during a confusion and identity shift, I continually recovered huge parts of myself that had long been hidden. It was like my light had been hidden beneath innumerable baskets, and each time we worked together, another came off. I was able to observe and explore my own existence as I never had before.
    My condition of being haunted by chronic insomnia changed so completely, that I found it hard to recall that I had ever felt that way. I was no longer in the identity that had that chronic condition, so it no longer existed for me.
    I still love my daughter in college very much, but the thought of her does not make me cry over her loss.
    Now I wake up every day in love with life and full of gratitude for the simple fact of it.
    I have almost completed the idenics course, and am able to actually work on my own with idenics.
    Life upsets? Easily taken care of.
    Conditions that I would like to change for myself? Many I can address on my own, with some I still need occasional very brief assistance.
    Prior to LRH, western hemisphere techniques of psychotherapy could be brutal at worst, horribly evaluative at best. LRH removed evaluation given to the person in session. This was a huge improvement to me.
    That was the first 50 percent of the evaluation that needed to be removed from the subject. Idenics removes the second 50 percent. There is no evaluation, period. No program to follow. No pre-determined ‘state’ to achieve. You are your own guide map. Do you honestly think that someone else really knows exactly how it is for you regarding your personal situation in life?
    That is why idenics follows you wherever you need to go. As a subject, it does not assume it ‘already knows’ about your personal situation. But, it trusts that you do.
    The end result? The return of freedom of choice in the area you are addressing.
    It seems to me that personal freedom of choice for the individual has been on the decline for some time now. So it pleases me greatly when I see some of it being restored.
    I feel that idenics can assist with that purpose because it has done so for me. Love, Two Cents
    THANK YOU, Two Cents! That's really a beautiful story and I'm so happy to see that now with your training you can tackle most issues you want to resolve by yourself.

    And I can totally understand how important that first step was to look outside of Scientology for answers. That, to me, was easily my biggest step. But once taken, I never needed to look back. Thankfully Mike made it very easy to do with answering all my questions before we began.

    The wins you've shared are very real to me as well. VERY WELL DONE on your effective looking!

    I look forward to hearing more about your successes with Idenics! And sharing mine with you.

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