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    Marty is long past accepting KSW or blaming everything on DM. No wonder some of the Fundamentalist "everything wrong with Scientology is DM's fault" Independent Scientologists hate him. (Not that they and others might not have other reasons to hate him.)

    Marty: My Practice
    http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/201...3/my-practice/

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    If you can’t graduate them with their good sense appealed to and their wisdom shining, graduate them in such a state of shock they’ll have nightmares if they contemplate squirreling (defined as departing one iota from the letter of what is taught). – L. Ron Hubbard, Keeping Scientology Working

    That learning philosophy was explained further in Hubbard’s highest level instructions (Class VIII course) wherein he told the most advanced Scientologists that humanity was incapable of being appealed to through understanding; and so, instead, it was their duty to command people and make them ‘obey.’ (See Memoirs of a Scientology Warrior, Amazon Books 2012)

    Irrespective of the fact that much of the technology such methods sought to impart was geared towards bringing a person to self-determined understandings, that system of indoctrination ultimately implants fixed, subjective ideas about living, God and ultimate spiritual concerns. At the end of the day, the methods place a glass ceiling on growth (in fact create regression) by means of enforced belief that curiosity and thirst for continuing education inherently stem from aberration.

    Having studied all of Scientology and a great deal on the subjects that led to its development (including their continued evolution while Scientology has remained static), a simple, workable rule of thumb has materialized for me. That is, the degree to which Scientology departs from its client-centered philosophical and technical roots is proportional to the degree it harms rather than helps. This in large part has become evident to me in helping people who were disappointed with their Scientology experience over the past five years. Almost to a one, somewhere along the line each individual’s intent and purpose for engaging in Scientology in the first place were tampered with, rejected and replaced entirely by imposed intents and purposes.

    Somewhere along the line in the Scientology experience the magic of the technology – each of its efficacious results marked by its adherence to its client-centered philosophic roots – is replaced by inculcation of the client rather than consultation and service of his or her needs, wants, aspirations and purposes. Those goals do, and ought to if a positive evolution of awareness and ability is being achieved, change along the road. But evolution in Scientology is geared solely toward achievement of goals that do not involve the client’s participation in establishing, except to the extent means are employed to obtain the client’s agreement to pursue them. The attainment of those implanted goals turns out to be purely subjective – no matter how clothed in science its claims and promises are presented. An objective examination of the result of those who pursue the implanted goals to their ends – no matter how convincing its achievers may be in professing their alleged subjective feelings of happiness, power, ability and bliss of self-actualization – proves their actions often betray their vigorous assertions of equanimity. For the most part they have turned their own self-determinism (the restoration of which is promised) over lock, stock and barrel to their teacher (See What Is Wrong With Scientology, Amazon Books 2012). They will lie, steal, and cheat for their religion without a twinge of conscience – all while attempting to exude a vibrant, open, extroverted appearance. Thus, they cannot be trusted by ordinary mortals, not even by their mothers, fathers or even their children. In any values computation, their religion trumps conscience. And thus the price of the ultimate ring in Scientology is the forfeiture of one’s conscience.

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    The mind fuck runs deep.

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    And dear God, I pray that COB and other cult predators are profoundly humiliated in a way we can all laugh at and give each other high-fives about—after which someone takes us all out for lots of ice cream and then we all go home and get to stay up really late and watch cartoons.

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    "They will lie, steal, and cheat for their religion without a twinge of conscience"

    and Hubbard created them....and Hubbard defines them as criminals!

    These are what Scientology creates!

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    I am currently being victimized by this cult as in, they are trying to wipe out everything :good about me - stealing my pics, my contacts, my records of work, my mail, even my family and life long friends ect....I am breaking off with this person who is doing this and I hate him now.. I can not reason with him and he is scary at times . I am sick and tired of going poor for this crap .. How do I fight back ?? They even took my mothers pension money !

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    Quote Originally Posted by escapingscinuts View Post
    I am currently being victimized by this cult as in, they are trying to wipe out everything :good about me - stealing my pics, my contacts, my records of work, my mail, even my family and life long friends ect....I am breaking off with this person who is doing this and I hate him now.. I can not reason with him and he is scary at times . I am sick and tired of going poor for this crap .. How do I fight back ?? They even took my mothers pension money !
    WELCOME Escaping!! Glad you are here. Keep reading - keep posting. Tell your story, when you are ready. It is liberating and freeing to be out. They specialize in destroying everyone and then silencing them into submission. You are not alone and you have support here. Hang in there - it will get better!! The key is to stay away from all Scientologists and get some power back by hanging out with normal people.

    Thanks for posting!! WELCOME~!

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    Quote Originally Posted by escapingscinuts View Post
    I am currently being victimized by this cult as in, they are trying to wipe out everything :good about me - stealing my pics, my contacts, my records of work, my mail, even my family and life long friends ect....I am breaking off with this person who is doing this and I hate him now.. I can not reason with him and he is scary at times . I am sick and tired of going poor for this crap .. How do I fight back ?? They even took my mothers pension money !
    Take the battle to them.

    Lawrence Wollershiem pointed out that $cientology always attacks, because their conduct is indefensible.

    And.. everything they do is to encourage or enforce silence,

    so..

    refuse to be silent.

    To be, or not to be, that is the question:
    Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
    The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune
    Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
    And by opposing, end them.
    Hamlet (III.i.64-68)

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    Hi, Escaping - and Yep, you need to be here. You will escape. You will be free. Soon, very soon. Keep reading here . . . . Keep thinking for yourself. You are not alone. Many have been in your shoes, and are now here, FREE. You follow in their footsteps.

    Fuck scno/co$/dm.
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    Or you Scott, this is for you too. I hope you are out.
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    If Marty was on fire, I wouldn't piss on him to save his sorry ass.
    I am the Son of God and so are you. ---Jesus Christ

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    Default Re: "They will lie, steal, and cheat for their religion without a twinge of conscienc

    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit View Post
    If Marty was on fire, I wouldn't piss on him to save his sorry ass.
    That's okay. I would.
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