Would *you* ever go back?

[Dulloldfart]

He was on the SHSBC - but he did not complete it.

The SHSBC at the time he was a student, was the quickie period - it was possible to get through the whole course with less than 25 hours in the chair.

I know of no other time he trained - he never worked in the Flag HGC.

Alan

I first started getting auditing at SH (in the SO) in 1973. The quickie grades period was definitely over then, and I got the idea at the time it was quite long before, like 1968/9 and not later. There were BTBs issued listing Expanded Grades processes in January 1972.

DM was studying at SH in 1973, maybe 1974, I believe. That was when I got that ruds session from him. I thought he was on the Academy Levels. I don't know if he later routed onto the SHSBC.

I don't remember what the rules were for graduating the SHSBC, and they could indeed have been that skimpy. It is around the time of the disastrous "Conditional Cert" system for the Academy Levels, where you could graduate without any auditing and then you got to audit on an Internship.

But all this is not the same as being trained to deliver quickie grades, if anyone got that idea.

Paul

[lionheart]

He sourced it!

He demanded it!

He set the policy! - Miss or by-pass an f/n and you would be comm eved and lose all you certs.

The Class VIII Course was the ultimate in producing "quickie" results. There were 5 people who had less than 5 hours of processing that were put on the upper levels.

People were thrown overboard for missing an f/n.

Yeah! He knew about it!

Alan

Not only that, but he then cancelled Quickie Grades and blamed others for having run them!

I knew several people who had had quickie grades.

Alan, one day you really should write all this up. I know you are busy moving on with your Knowledgism, nevertheless, these days, the truth about what LRH did is fading from the consciousness of Scns and ex-Scns. We get people coming on here thinking DM is the cause of all that is bad in Scn and seem to think LRH was not the cause.

LRH had the trick of disavowing any responsibility for any mis-application of tech and he blamed "Others" "SP's" etc. It seems to me, having been out for a quarter of a decade, that these days Scns seem to have generally swallowed LRH's lies and propaganda about these things.

[Tanstaafl]

Alan, one day you really should write all this up. I know you are busy moving on with your Knowledgism, nevertheless, these days, the truth about what LRH did is fading from the consciousness of Scns and ex-Scns. We get people coming on here thinking DM is the cause of all that is bad in Scn and seem to think LRH was not the cause.

I'll second that.
Alan's experience on the BC and with establishing successful missions surely gives him well-above-average credibility.

Mind you, with Alan's ego being what it is we might have more success asking him to incorporate such data into his autobiography! :D

[Alan]

I'll second that.

Alan's experience on the BC and with establishing successful missions surely gives him well-above-average credibility.

Mind you, with Alan's ego being what it is we might have more success asking him to incorporate such data into his autobiography! :D

The autobiography of a deluded nut case - I think not!

[lionheart]

I first started getting auditing at SH (in the SO) in 1973. The quickie grades period was definitely over then, and I got the idea at the time it was quite long before, like 1968/9 and not later. There were BTBs issued listing Expanded Grades processes in January 1972.

DM was studying at SH in 1973, maybe 1974, I believe. That was when I got that ruds session from him. I thought he was on the Academy Levels. I don't know if he later routed onto the SHSBC.

I don't remember what the rules were for graduating the SHSBC, and they could indeed have been that skimpy. It is around the time of the disastrous "Conditional Cert" system for the Academy Levels, where you could graduate without any auditing and then you got to audit on an Internship.

But all this is not the same as being trained to deliver quickie grades, if anyone got that idea.

Paul

You are correct, Paul. In 1970, Quickie Grades were held up to me as the bad old days back in '68. The Q&A in the early 70's was over Triple or Quad grades. That was the major change in the tech at that time. Of course LRH blamed others for dropping Quad flows and took the credit for re-instating them!

In those early 70's days most tech issues were "LRH assisted by so-and-so" and they got re-issued as BTBs as were the expanded grades processes lists. I think LRH used to leave the detail to others such as quading out all the process commands. It also gave him the perfect "It wasn't me" justification when he had to put right all these mistakes made by SPs!

I think Alan may have got the time frame a little jumbled. Reviewing what I know, quickie grades and overboarding for missing F/Ns were 68, Miscavige was a student at St Hill in the early to mid 70's. So he would have studied full triple or quad grade processes.

I thought, personally that the conditional cert and internship system worked fine, but it could have meant that DM didn't actually put many hours in in the chair. From what I remember you had to be an interned Class IV to get onto the SHSBC at that time and I am told he was on the BC. But that might not be accurate, because at that time, levels students often went into the Briefing Course Room to listen to levels tapes. So maybe Miscavige was seen in the Briefing Courseroom when he was really only on the levels.

Anyway he did definitely do some significant tech training. And he audited you! (That explains an awful lot! )

[Tanstaafl]

The autobiography of a deluded nut case - I think not!

Well perhaps "deluded nut case" is putting it a little too strongly.

In all seriousness - I'd pay for it and read it.

Alan - you've lived a life!

If you score a goal in the Premiership or shag a B-list celebrity you can write your autobiography at 16 these days! But you have to wait at least 18 months to write the next instalment or updated version. Publishers have standards you know.

[Dulloldfart]

Anyway he did definitely do some significant tech training. And he audited you! (That explains an awful lot! )

It has happened when some big bad SP causes some particularly nasty flap that all the tech people connected with the person get sec-checked or retrained or whatever. A very silly wrong-target action, but what's new?

It would be amusing if one day in the future when it was appropriate DM got pissed off with the huge success of Paul's Robot Auditor and gave the order that everyone who had ever audited or trained me had to retrain from the bottom up.

Paul

[Alan]

You are correct, Paul. In 1970, Quickie Grades were held up to me as the bad old days back in '68. The Q&A in the early 70's was over Triple or Quad grades. That was the major change in the tech at that time. Of course LRH blamed others for dropping Quad flows and took the credit for re-instating them!

In those early 70's days most tech issues were "LRH assisted by so-and-so" and they got re-issued as BTBs as were the expanded grades processes lists. I think LRH used to leave the detail to others such as quading out all the process commands. It also gave him the perfect "It wasn't me" justification when he had to put right all these mistakes made by SPs!

I think Alan may have got the time frame a little jumbled. Reviewing what I know, quickie grades and overboarding for missing F/Ns were 68, Miscavige was a student at St Hill in the early to mid 70's. So he would have studied full triple or quad grade processes.

I thought, personally that the conditional cert and internship system worked fine, but it could have meant that DM didn't actually put many hours in in the chair. From what I remember you had to be an interned Class IV to get onto the SHSBC at that time and I am told he was on the BC. But that might not be accurate, because at that time, levels students often went into the Briefing Course Room to listen to levels tapes. So maybe Miscavige was seen in the Briefing Courseroom when he was really only on the levels.

Anyway he did definitely do some significant tech training. And he audited you! (That explains an awful lot! )

I don't have my time frames mixed up!

I was the one who came to Flag in Oct, 1969 and protested the "quickie" grades. I was furious at the disaster that the "quickie" grades were doing to Scio - I put LRH in bed for 6 weeks with that fury!

He had me comm eved for reporting this!

I was trapped on the ship in Morroco for 3 months.

It also cost me my 10 Missions - but it got LRH to look at the "quickie" grades.

Even the Expanded Grades are only done on an identity.

The messenger was shot, drawn and quartered!

LRH did later apologize! Privately of course.

Alan

[Dulloldfart]

I don't have my time frames mixed up!

I was the one who came to Flag in Oct, 1969 and protested the "quickie" grades. I was furious at the disaster that the "quickie" grades were doing to Scio - I put LRH in bed for 6 weeks with that fury!

He had me comm eved for reporting this!

I was trapped on the ship in Morroco for 3 months.

It also cost me my 10 Missions - but it got LRH to look at the "quickie" grades.

I don't get it, Alan. How could he be so blind to the uselessness of quickie grades before you drew his attention to it? Surely they were in use on the ship as well, and he C/S'd lots of folders.

Paul

[lionheart]

It has happened when some big bad SP causes some particularly nasty flap that all the tech people connected with the person get sec-checked or retrained or whatever. A very silly wrong-target action, but what's new?

It would be amusing if one day in the future when it was appropriate DM got pissed off with the huge success of Paul's Robot Auditor and gave the order that everyone who had ever audited or trained me had to retrain from the bottom up.

Paul

If your list of those who trained or audited you is anything like mine, they've probably all been declared or blown by now. Oh except one! DM should definitely get retrained for failing to get those ruds in on you!