take revenge on scientology, feat. why scientology was down last night

[Dulloldfart]

Scientology needs almost no money to operate, especially in the digital age. That is one of the most destructive ideas that Hubbard ever forced onto the Church.

It needs no Church structure, either. Look at the Freezone.

Maybe Scientology, the philosophy, is not capable of reform.

But Scientology, as a philosophy just like National Socialism, is not able to be destroyed, either.

So, I see attempting reform as the only answer.

If the CofS has no money, then yes, there would be no organizational structure. Very few orgs are viable as it is. How many would be if the staff had to be paid a livable wage too?

People could get audited and trained without the CofS, with free market principles in use. If the Internet stays up, it would work OK, at the lower levels anyway. There are still many people in the FZ who want to do OT2 and OT3 and higher levels, despite the readily available materials and comments online. If the CofS were to disappear in short order, after a lot of confusion blowing off things would settle down and satisfactory delivery would occur. I mean, it couldn't really get much worse, could it?

Paul

[Tanstaafl]

As long as you view scientology as a "corporate entity" you will be fighting an imaginary enemy.

Every abuse, every betrayal, every failure of "the church" is that of individual people.

Very true. Any action that is perceived to have been taken by an organisation is the result of action from one or more individuals with responsibility ranging from 1-100%.

Those who focus too generally on "the Church" are likely stuck in an ARC-X.

Focussing on a specific terminal such as DM makes more sense.

[alex]

Very true. Any action that is perceived to have been taken by an organisation is the result of action from one or more individuals with responsibility ranging from 1-100%.

Those who focus too generally on "the Church" are likely stuck in an ARC-X.

Focussing on a specific terminal such as DM makes more sense.

And focusing on the idiot MAA who imposed justice when sincere counselling on the optimum action would have been better...

And focusing on the reg who sold his integrity for a stat to get you paid up for something that was not the best thing at the moment...

And focusing on the scientologist who aborgated his personal responsibility to effectively communicate with his or her family and instead disconnects..

and and and.

A corporate entity IS a generalization.

Yes DM is a good place to start focusing.

alex (notice any signs of bpc in alex?)

[fishdaddy]

One of the main reasons I left $cn was their "philosophy" that "the end justifies the means." You can do anything, any sort of dirty tricks you want, if it is in the name of "Clearing the Planet" or "protecting the Church." I disagree completely. The end does not justify the means. As Ghandi said, "Be the change you wish to see in the world." Dirty tricks and crimes are not justified just because they are "attacking the C of S."

Those who don't want to join in the dirty tricks aren't compromosed, IHMO. Those that do, are.

[Tanstaafl]

One of the main reasons I left $cn was their "philosophy" that "the end justifies the means." You can do anything, any sort of dirty tricks you want, if it is in the name of "Clearing the Planet" or "protecting the Church." I disagree completely. The end does not justify the means. As Ghandi said, "Be the change you wish to see in the world." Dirty tricks and crimes are not justified just because they are "attacking the C of S."

Those who don't want to join in the dirty tricks aren't compromosed, IHMO. Those that do, are.

Good point. So many will use "the greatest good..." to justify any action.
Sadly, that logic depends on Scn totally delivering what it promises, which it does not. There's no fanaticism on the road to enlightenment. Determination and persistence maybe, but no fanaticism.

[Royal Prince Xenu]

Sorry. I consider hacking into someone's site the same as breaking down the front door and trashing the place. It is disrespectful and does not advance your cause in any beneficial way.

The only such attack of which I've heard that I would pay to watch, I believe, occurred in Melbourne Australia at one of those G7 G8 (whatever the letters and numbers mean) conferences attended by Money Mongers like Bill Gates, the Packers, Conrad Black and the other wealthy elites of the world. I'm told that someone managed to break into the Hotel's security system, and locked all the doors, deactivated the lifts, wrought havoc with the airconditioning etc.

Turning the very technology that these elites want to use to control us back onto them, was clever. Vandalizing someone's web page is just childish.

Revenge is a dish best served cold, and preferably on fine silver.

[SchwimmelPuckel]

It takes a District Attorney to file criminal charges and push through a trial (and conviction). Scientology can't do it. Scientology is so hated for their shenanigans in courts that D/As HATE them. If the D/As could get their hands on enough hard evidence of Scientology's criminal activities, they would nail their asses.

You think the D/As give one rat's ass about some kids poking sticks and throwing rocks at the Church of Scientology? You really think our justice system includes "mandatory trials" for criminals? You think even the police care about it? They don't arrest every single person caught red-handed commiting a crime.

Real world, guys. Come back to the real world.

You know.. I would expect the scene to be like you desribe it! - I have always been convinced that judges, lawyers and police don't like to be played for fools by the Cult of Scientology..

BUT!! - There was Keith Henson!

The Sinister Cult of Scientology made a big issue out of Keiths post to ARS where he joked about 'Tom Cruise Missiles' aimed at the shitponds in Hemet.. This made the scientologists shiver from freight and made them afraid to get little spatters of shit all over them, and so they peed their beds!

Keith was actually convicted for 'interfering with a religion', and the ruling didn't mention that the 'religion' was scientology btw. The court disallowed mention of Scientology and dismissed Cult Scripture describing Fair Game policy and how 'the law could be easily used for harrasment'..

Well.. Has me scratching my head anyway!



www.scientology.org seems to be under DDOS attack btw.. Or they use old Commodore 64'es for servers.

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[Takin Time]

You know, when you smack down people who try to help you (no matter whether it was good or bad help) people will quit trying to help you.

I find too many ESMBers wrapped up in Scientology, still practicing it, still thinking the Scientology ethics and justice policies and the Code of Honor work in the real world. Nope. They only work in Scientology and they are part of the cult mindset and cult member control.

The Church of Scientology is just another mind thug. And you have been, and are still, its victims if you buy into ANY of the philosophy.

SchwimmelPuckel, you're right about the Keith Henson thing. Bizarre. Head on a pike; made an example of. Well it impinged on you guys, eh? Money can buy a lot of things and greases a lot of palms. And a court of law has a lot of machinations and rules, and if you don't know them or the opponent's lawyer is better than yours, you can get creamed! It doesn't matter that you're right or not.

But what happened to Keith is not necessarily what will happen to everyone. Just look at all the other critics who are NOT harassed, who are NOT thrown in jail on bogus charges. That's more the win.

Don't poo-poo someone's attempts to join the fray and spit at the Church of Scientology.

Can't you recognize a friend? (And quit worrying about his possible "consequences".)

[Tanstaafl]

I find too many ESMBers wrapped up in Scientology, still practicing it, still thinking the Scientology ethics and justice policies and the Code of Honor work in the real world. Nope. They only work in Scientology and they are part of the cult mindset and cult member control.

I find that the majority of ESMBers grant beingness to their fellow members and are tolerant of other viewpoints. That (and the humour) is why I hang out here.

If Ethics/Justice policies and The Code of Honor don't work for you, then fair enough. But that's not to say that others cannot extract something positive from them for use in the "real world". For the record, I don't use them at all.

[Anondelivers]

Tomorrow anonymous will strike again, harder this time.
IRL action WILL be included... on what scale? Noone knows yet.

But two things are for certain.
Anon does not forgive, anon does not forget.