Anyone from Miami Org here?

[Wisened One]

Hi all:

Haven't visited here for a long time, glad to be back!

Looking for any Miami Org ex-public/Staff?

WO

[ThisFenceHurts]

Don\'t know much about the Miami Org but I do know that there are a few families living Clw for quite some time that had ties to Miami.

One of them was the Calkins family...David was regging for Mace-Kingsley Field Group, Nancy was regging for Delphi Academy of Florida, daughter Rhea was in Alaska, Gina was a student at Delphi as was Sandra. Although they would be older now.

Another is the Kirtley family. James passed away within the past few years. Carol is still active and the children Kelly and Matthew are as well.

I believe Judy Blum was also in Clw for some services recently.

-TFH

[Wisened One]

Hey, TFH:

Thanks! I knew Caulinks family, nice people..and Blum family too....don't know Kirtley tho. Anyone else from there you know anything about?

Appreciate the updates!

Wisened One

[XenuEtrawls]

James Kirtley, who I also found out died a few short yrs ago, had wavy/curly dark hair and spoke Spanish fluently since -as he always said- went to college and had mostly Cuban friends. He started out in the Public courseroom & then became one of three Ethics Officers at the time with John Bravo & Rick, forget his last name. James & John were over 6 fr tall & Rick towered over them at 6'3"-6'4" James's wife worked as either ED or a top exec at the Delphi Acad in CW and James himself became VERY successful working with his long time friend, and also ex-MM staff member, Mike Kaplan who brought James into the company, I believe HE founded. Kaplan & fmly can also be found on the "contributors" list of the other message I sent you.

As for John Bravo, I met him at the "Carreta" restaurant on Bird Rd & 87th ave. and he was trying to get me to join what I considered back then a "squirrel" group he'd joined. He actually looked good but he also was always smiling and had a good sense of humor. Oh and before I forget, James Kirtley was one of the sweetest most genuine & sincere straightforward kind of person I've ever met. It's too bad he passed away. He was perhaps a yr or two older than me, maybe even younger but definitely around MY age and I'm not quite ready to "drop my body" just yet. lol

After James, I liked Fred best but obviously there were -as you yourself know- many VERY GOOD people in Miami at around the same time. Dave Tropf, the ED when I joined was the Qual Sec for many yrs before becoming ED and taking MM Org to new heights. We were back then St Hill size, before there was even a Birthday game. The ED before him was John Sexmith, whose name also appears on the *new mag leak*

I didn't know Judi Blum & fmly were in CW. Her pic can be seen in the MM mag leak & last I know she was still MM staff or at least FSM. Dave & Nancy Caulkins were in CW but Nancy had finished her contract with Delphi as her kids had finished school & she was no longer working for them when I met them at Wayne Eisenman's home. Also there as I said were Fred & Kate Fig., Shaun & Vicki Carrol (Remember Fred was also married to Vicki, right? That boy got around Scott (there were two Scotts I rem) but the one who was acad admin was there too. He was studying to become a lawyer. The other Scott had long blond hair, kinda wavy and hung around with Alexis Rodriguez, don't know if you know him.

Then the last time I went to Flag and Tampa org, I met Denise, who worked with Leona as letter reges way back. Denise was married to Ray who was one time the MM Org intern sup. I forget their last name. I also met Darrell Kirkland -remember him and his brother Duane or Dwayne?, who was married to (but divorced) Martha Kirkland [She was also in CW and kept the name] How about commercial realtor Jorge Correa & his wife, Maria? They lived in Coral Gables near the org but they divorced and Jorge re-married a Venezuelan girl & moved also to CW. I know he got pretty high on the Bridge, doing all 3 Ls before I lost touch with them. Jorge & Maria are of Cuban heritage. How about George Bravo, who was LOC & KTL sup? And David & Mary DeMoss? I met up with David in CW also, or Tampa (same diff) CW & Tampa Org are 15-20 mins apart driving dist. I also saw Mary at Delphi but I never liked her much, to be honest. Dave I liked. They were already divorced & I hear Mary remarried and, of course, she's now blown too. She's disappeared. Maybe Mark Bunker is hiding her out > I know he seemed to like her from what things he wrote about her.

Let's see who else? Kat & Gary Bottorf? I didn't like either as well. Gary was my senior at one time in HCO & well, not many liked him in those days. He was HCO Cope Officer. :-) What of Celia Alvarez, then Madigan? She was married to two auditors, George Alvarez (who got SP declared - I just ran across his name on the latest SP list from 1992) and Tom Madigan (who died about 10 yrs ago) I think she's remarried but she was Treas Sec for the longest, then became ESTO or HES, I'm not sure. She's STILL MM staff as are Leah & Leona. And Mark & Lisa Witt? Both good people. Lisa was also my auditor once & she had a very natural affinity, in or out of an auditing session.

Okay, I'll stop here. I enjopy writing, as you can probably tell, plus I, too, have been meaning to find other Miami Org people on this forum.

If you have any specific questions, ask away. Thanks for reading.

Until the next one. :-)

[Wisened One]

Hey again, I replied to your post in my other Thread, btw! And can't wait for your PM!

Yep, remember most of the people you name...

Gary Bottorff! Not too bad of a human being, I don't guess, but HE'S the one who held me in a freezing room for 2 hrs (or longer) lecturing me and Black Postulating for me about how I was gonna die, my marriage was gonna die, I was gonna get Cancer, or commit suicide, etc, etc, etc!

His wife audited me once out of a strange break I had after receiving auditing from a student, good auditor, but didn't know her or anything....

And yep, always liked Lisa! Mark Witt was nice too...

Mary DeMoss: I got along with her ok while we were Staff together but she always had sort of an.....attitude.......I DID like her husband at the time David DeMoss though! VERY nice guy! He helped me become more fluent in Spanish (since he spoke it fluently) and was also my last Auditor and a good one at that! (I say, even tho I blew..and it was NOT due to my Auditing! I repeat!).

Celia Madigan! Sweet lady! She was Treas sec when we were there! Always liked her! Heard she's still there as another post, tho.

Leona Grimm: she was married to Helmuth Grimm. They divorced when I was there. I never dealt with her too much, but she seemed nice. So she's still there, too, huh?

Boy this is really awesome chatting about all these people with another MM Ex!

Michelle

[XenuEtrawls]

Yes, and btw, Celia's husband or ex, now - Tom Madigan (also my auditor) - passed away a number of yrs ago. She's remarried, again: Third time's a charm. I know the guy but can't remember the name. He's in the Miami mag leak pic kneeling next to Celia -FLASH ANSWER! "SNAP!" C'mon u frickin lazy out work File Clerk: Scott Fitzgerald! - Thank you for telling me that. It's Scott Fitzgerald. LOL

And Helmuth remarried, as well. I forget his wife's name but she used to do services at the MM Org and then I met up with her at the Orlando Org and I went to visit him once. Had a picnic with him & his wife & kids.

Btw, personally, you're the 1st person who's had anything nice to say about Gary. But hey, I don't want to be guilty of alloying anyone's affinity. I guess we're all good people deep down. I never had the proper equipment to dig THAT deep with Gary. He had his moments, let's just say. In my better moments, I love everyone; including assholes. ROFL That was a french word "ahsoles" is pronounced. It means "lonely people" :oX

And I go way back with all of them; since 1978. Leona used to be a letter reg in what was called "the annex" which was the bldg next door, with Denise Sieger. She was nice (both Leona & Denise) Celia is nice, too but she's "burnt out" and has been in the cult ALL her life. Her mother who died in the very early 80s was LRH's secretary at one time & ran estates. Her dad was an auditor at the Miami Org. I forget who passed away first. Janet was her name.

David DeMoss is a sweet guy. Oh and you don't mention it here but you're right, Bob Addis is never anywhere to be found. Maybe he blew! ;-)

Btw, I spoke on the phone with Telepathetic for like 4-5 hrs straight, with a couple of short breaks. ))

[Good twin]

Celia is married to Bill Petro. She had another husband in between Tom and Bill. He died too. His name was Gary. She met him through a Scientology dating service.

[Wisened One]

Yes, and btw, Celia's husband or ex, now - Tom Madigan (also my auditor) - passed away a number of yrs ago. She's remarried, again: Third time's a charm. I know the guy but can't remember the name. He's in the Miami mag leak pic kneeling next to Celia -FLASH ANSWER! "SNAP!" C'mon u frickin lazy out work File Clerk: Scott Fitzgerald! - Thank you for telling me that. It's Scott Fitzgerald. LOL

And Helmuth remarried, as well. I forget his wife's name but she used to do services at the MM Org and then I met up with her at the Orlando Org and I went to visit him once. Had a picnic with him & his wife & kids.

Btw, personally, you're the 1st person who's had anything nice to say about Gary. But hey, I don't want to be guilty of alloying anyone's affinity. I guess we're all good people deep down. I never had the proper equipment to dig THAT deep with Gary. He had his moments, let's just say. In my better moments, I love everyone; including assholes. ROFL That was a french word "ahsoles" is pronounced. It means "lonely people" :oX

And I go way back with all of them; since 1978. Leona used to be a letter reg in what was called "the annex" which was the bldg next door, with Denise Sieger. She was nice (both Leona & Denise) Celia is nice, too but she's "burnt out" and has been in the cult ALL her life. Her mother who died in the very early 80s was LRH's secretary at one time & ran estates. Her dad was an auditor at the Miami Org. I forget who passed away first. Janet was her name.

David DeMoss is a sweet guy. Oh and you don't mention it here but you're right, Bob Addis is never anywhere to be found. Maybe he blew! ;-)

Btw, I spoke on the phone with Telepathetic for like 4-5 hrs straight, with a couple of short breaks. ))

Hey again, glad you are posting with us more!

Gary: No, I did NOT have affinity for the guy! Nor his wife, particularly. Like I said: Gary's the one that didn't give a shit that I was seizing with cold (and no, I'm actually not exaggerating). He just kept right on with his intense, little black brainwashing..making sure another bites the dust for having routed out of Staff....). I remember them as being quite arrogant of a couple, really. They refused to let 'wogs' into their house when they had their roofing company!

Anyways:

Celia's mom, I believe, died in the early 90's, while still working in Treas with Kitty and Celia.

I remember how hard it was for Celia (and KB) to get over her death.

Anyway: Helmuth Grimm divorced Leona Grimm while we were there and then married Susan Mastandrea. Helmuth then routed off Staff when we were still there. They had two kids toegether. Last I heard, he was working for NASA or something like that...on the Shuttle. But now they are divorced and Helmuth is re-married to a non-scn. I think he's still a scn tho, not sure. Susan I think is still a scn, too, don't know. As far as I know, she didn't re-marry.

So is Kitty and Randy still there? (Really got along with Randy, NICE GUY!).

And really? Bob Addis is no longer there? I saw his pictures in the recent newsletters tho! Maybe he's just not on Staff anymore. Is he still married?

Please...MOAR updates, anyone!

[Papabear]

I saw Kitty and Randy in CW. They have an autistic child but were shooting to get back in the SO. This was somewhere around 04-05.

I laid shingles with Gary. Wanted to push him off the roof a couple of times...

Helmuth was great. He worked on my car a couple of times and last I talked to him he was working on a car engine that was fueled in water. A past life design he said. That was many moons ago.

I remember the MM org having huge parties when I was 10 or 11 years old. Hundreds of people dancing and getting drunk ( I think). Then they got small quick...I was too young to know why but the dwarf was in full action from what I understand.

My dad ran a Dianetics group a few blocks from MM org and got tons of people in. Got a lot of training paid for that way.

Used to work with Bill Petro as a tear down mechanic around '95-'96. Really nice guy, was pissed off at the IRS agreement but I guess he got over it. I miss him. I took over his ex-wife Martha's position when she worked for Peter Letterese.

Wow...

Always liked David Demoss too. Mary was ok until she really went fanatic. I hope she's sorting herself out now.

Thanks for the memories!

[Wisened One]

Thanks for the updates on some of the people, Chris!

Wow..wonder if Kitty and Randy went back into the SO? Randy was THE nicest guy, had many long conversatons with him

Re: the parties. Yep, we had some fun parties when I was there in the 90's, too. A few beer and pizza nights, (for being upstat) they were interesting, lol! They were too few, tho.