How Hubbard created a 100% workable technology

[lionheart]

Hmm.. Why talk figures at all? - The principle is quite visible without the math. Those who make no case gains from scientology processing are.. well.. No Case Gain cases! - As I recall, Hubbard said that is the one sure sign of an SP... So dispose of that asshole.

So waht about people who become disaffected for some other weird reason.. Why they too are SP's! - Throw those jerks overboard.

And people who can't pay for anymore services, since the registrars have literally bankrupted them.. You don't go 'reasonable' with this you know! - These people have counter intentions. They fail to make things go right.. Ample indicators that they are SP's! - Dispose of them with no sorrow. They don't support the GI anyway, so why waste yer' time?

Since all these people are fuck'n SP's, make sure they keep their mouths shut. Intimidate 'em and shudder 'em into silence. Use reverse processing too.. But make the basterds pay for it!

Keep this up for a while until there's only 3 hookers and a pickpocket left in the org, who for some strange reason thinks that Scientology is better than sex and sliced bread.

Oh.. Lest's not forget.. These are the Homo Novis. The Able. The Übermenshen who deserves to live and have rights.

Ask them, and they will guarantee you that the tech works every time!

On the walls are a pictures of Mussolini.. no.. Hubbard. It was just the pose and circumstances that made me think it was Mussolini.. Hmm..

Weelll.. I'll be.. hornswoggeled!

You've got it! The numbers are only relevant in explaining the mechanics of the betting scam.

Disconnection is the vital ingredient to the Scientology con.

Like the woman whose view was limited to only her experience of the tipping system, Scientologists have to have their view limited, as much as possible, to just their experience of it. So long as they continue to get gains they can be conned some more. Those that don't get gains, ditch them quick! Separate them from the ones still getting wins.

Paul said elsewhere that disconnection was the vital ingredient, which if it was abolished, the whole house of cards would come tumbling down.

But disconnection won't get abolished by the CofS because it is the vital element that keeps the whole scam going.

Disconnection may also be an indicator of Hubbard's madness, his paranoia, etc. That may be true, but the point is whether or not it is fuelled by madness it is highly utilitarian in that the winners must be disconnected from the losers otherwise the con is exposed.

Hubbard used suggestion and repetition and other tricks to increase the percentage of "winners", but that is secondary. The Scientology scam would still work with a lower success rate so long as you ditched and separated off the losers. Just like the betting scam would work with a 1 in 6 success rate or a 1 in 16 success rate, so long as the winners are kept uninformed of the losers.

Leon, your example of recovered failures is just another numbers game that Hubbard used to increase the successs rate. A percentage of such people will respond and turn from losers to winners.

But it is nothing to do with dice or lucky chance. It is purely a psychological numbers game.

Hubbard knew that a percentage of people will respond to suggestion and will experience something that is close enough to what he told them they would experience, that they will then identify this experience as proof that the "tech" works.

Add some clever people who help Hubbard synthesise spirituality and psychology into some sort of procedure and you have a "workable tech" so long as you ditch the ones it doesn't work on.

And above all don't let the winers talk to the losers! They may just find out that there are hundreds or thousands of losers for every winner and may actually realise that eventually they too will become losers themselves.

[shader]

lionheart, you rock.

That's weak, Lionheart. Really weak.

Seconded. Seems to me to have been written by quite a sad, bitter person.

Always attack, never defend

For starters, it means that many of us are on a 30 to 40 year winning streak. That's quite something!

[snip]

All due to lucky chance!

Reread the bit about the 10 heads in a row.

Alternatively,there is a really good bit at the start of "A Random Walk Down Wall Street" about the "champion coin tosser" that explains it very well. A very good book to read, and very relevant to this topic.

But to add my 0.02, I think the mechanism described above explains the early stages of becoming a scientologist. Once you've swallowed the world view, however, the tech really _can't_ fail, only your application of it. You have a ready-made, circular, explanation for it all.

[Leon]

And above all don't let the winers talk to the losers! They may just find out that there are hundreds or thousands of losers for every winner and may actually realise that eventually they too will become losers themselves.

On the other hand the losers could easily all become winners. All they need do is get the real stuff - not the fraudulent crap that was dished up to them by the CofS.

[Hanover Fist]

Excellent post Lionheart. You have managed to articulate this aspect of Ron's Con very well. This also emphasises the fact that the 'tech' (Hubbard's own brand of psychiatry/psychology) is as twisted, psychotic, and corpulent as Hubbard himself.





Hanover Fist

[Leon]

But by your own earlier statement you have never studied it - you didn't even know what a clay demo was. Yet with all your claims to being all scientific and logical you yet feel free to condemn it in this way.

I'm sure you have quite another agenda than intelligent discussion. That is just the smokescreen.

[lionheart]

On the other hand the losers could easily all become winners. All they need do is get the real stuff - not the fraudulent crap that was dished up to them by the CofS.

You are not seeing the wider view. You are like the woman who got tipped all the winners, She knew it was the real stuff because it worked in her experience.

Hubbard knew some would never take the wider view, in fact he relied on that fact.

Read Derren Brown's book that I recommended. Read what he says about hypnotism and how it isn't what people think it is. Read about how he controls people's psychology and experience. Watch the videos of him on YouTube and how easy it is to influence people's reality.

See for yourself how these ideas apply to Hubbard and how they don't. Take the wider view than the one Hubbard presented to you.

Or don't. If you wish, carry on being like the woman who knew the system was a winning system. She was very happy to have her faith in the system. She was much more unhappy when Derren explained the con.

In fact she found it harder to believe he had conned her than it was to believe in the system. Similarly my friend who I watched the progam with found it harder to believe my explanation of the con than it was to believe that Derren Brown had a winning racing system.

These are powerful matters and "magicians" like Derren Brown and Hubbard understand how powerful they are.

[Leon]

Believe me mate, I DO see the wider view.

Like Butch Cassidy said "I got such vision - the rest of you are wearing bifocals."

[Bea Kiddo]

Anyone else wanna try calling my mom? She is doing some sort of recovery project so would expect phone calls from names she never heard of. PM me.

[lionheart]

But by your own earlier statement you have never studied it - you didn't even know what a clay demo was. Yet with all your claims to being all scientific and logical you yet feel free to condemn it in this way.

I'm sure you have quite another agenda than intelligent discussion. That is just the smokescreen.

Amount of experience is not proportional to the accuracy of judgement, for exactly the reason I have given in this thread. Accuracy of judgement depends on the width of view not on personal experience.

The wider the picture you see, the more accurate the picture is. The closer and "me" oriented the picture, the less accurate the picture being viewed.

Simple way of proving this: Go and speak to a hundred people who kicked Ron's "tech" into touch. I have done this. Talk to some who fell out with him in 65, 68, 74, 82, every major disaffection trauma in Scn's history, like I have done. Broaden your view. I did, I broadened it from my experience of the tech personally as a PC, auditor & C/S. I shifted from the view of the one winning lady to the other 7,775 losers.

Speak to those for whom the tech didn't work or stopped working and see what that does to your "reality" of the tech.

Or don't!

[lionheart]

Believe me mate, I DO see the wider view.

Like Butch Cassidy said "I got such vision - the rest of you are wearing bifocals."