Although I agree with Alanzo's ideas about hypnotism, these days I personally don't use it to describe any aspect of Scientology because it stirs up too much misunderstanding and protest. Alanzo has explained his ideas as to the reason for this, but that is his conversation, not mine.
I think I've described expectation and suggestion quite thoroughly with examples as to how it applies to Scn, but I'm happy to give some more examples if you haven't understood me yet. Scientology is littered with suggestion and the generation of expectation.
I have no particular problem with your idea about "many people" being "gulled" into Scn. It doesn't alter my argument about the money pyramid aspect of Hubbard's scam, except you are restricting it to "many people" rather than all. Ok, so what proportion do you think were not scammed? And how do you define their experience compared to my theory of expectation and suggestion? And how does their experience relate to my theory of the importance of disconnecion and preventing people from seeing the failures?
I'm quite happy to hear counter arguments so long as they are discussing what I'm actually saying. We seem to be getting on that track now.
BTW Alex, I believe you know perfectly well that I am willing to discuss my ideas, expand them and consider counter ideas. I believe you know that, which is why you aren't engaging in real discussion and exchange of ideas about what I'm saying. Egging someone else on, rather than engaging yourself, is a bit OSA "Op"y isn't it? Are you slipping back into your old ways again?