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    Default How many people went type III (ie. had a Psychotic Break) in your org?

    Every now and then, a person on lines went type III in our org. It was way too many for what I thought was the "only workable tech" on the planet. Excuses were made of course, and it was hushed up among the staff.

    I am curious if this happened at other orgs and how frequently it occurred. I thought it happened only in our org and the auditor was poorly trained. S/he seemed to have a lot of pcs that went crazy. But because of the lack of trained tech terminals, s/he was quickly "repaired" and put back in the auditors chair.

    OR is it simply the tech that makes someone spin in? Auditors do not need to be certified by law to give the general public mental therapy and I feel that is dangerous. Even a CPA has to be certified by law to do your business accounting, a painter, or contractor needs to obtain a license to service the general public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renegade View Post
    Every now and then, a person on lines went type III in our org. It was way too many for what I thought was the "only workable tech" on the planet. Excuses were made of course, and it was hushed up among the staff.

    I am curious if this happened at other orgs and how frequently it occurred. I thought it happened only in our org and the auditor was poorly trained. S/he seemed to have a lot of pcs that went crazy. But because of the lack of trained tech terminals, s/he was quickly "repaired" and put back in the auditors chair.

    OR is it simply the tech that makes someone spin in? Auditors do not need to be certified by law to give the general public mental therapy and I feel that is dangerous. Even a CPA has to be certified by law to do your business accounting, a painter, or contractor needs to obtain a license to service the general public.
    You might not have read one of my old posts, and it would be hard to find amongst my prodigious blatherings.

    I was the Examiner at ASHO day, round about the time John Lennon was murdered. Can you believe they actually had a memorial in the chapel?

    One day, this guy walks in for an exam as dozens did every day, picks up the cans.....and slamms his head on the table!

    I swear, my meter jumped an inch. I think my 'TR's' were helped out by shock.

    As I sat there, vainly trying to keep up with the fast torrent of insanity that came spewing out of this guys mouth, I watched as a huge purple network of busted veins on this dude's forehead slowly became a huge purple bump. The guy didn't seem to feel it at all. The stuff he was saying was obscene and violent, perverted and disturbing in the extreme. Craziest shit I ever heard in my life, before or after. Then he mellowed out, and left.

    The other weird thing -the weirdest in my opinion- was what this guys needle was doing. I'd read the discriptions of a 'stage four' needle, but never saw anything close in months on the meter. This was textbook. A slow, steady climb, a freeze, then an abrupt fall back to the original T.A., then repeated. This is paraphrased, it's been over 30 years.

    It was repeating over and over. I thought my meter had malfunctioned from the shock, but it worked fine later. It was mechanical, unlike anything I ever saw before or after. Slow rise, stick, abrupt fall. same frequency, same T.A. Admittedly, I only worked with an e-meter every day eight hours, five days a week for a year and a half, so if I'd stuck around, I might have seen that again.

    WTF does this mean, and how does it happen biologically? Who knows? Hubbard never gave an explanation for it, he simply described it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by renegade View Post
    Every now and then, a person on lines went type III in our org. It was way too many for what I thought was the "only workable tech" on the planet. Excuses were made of course, and it was hushed up among the staff.

    I am curious if this happened at other orgs and how frequently it occurred. I thought it happened only in our org and the auditor was poorly trained. S/he seemed to have a lot of pcs that went crazy. But because of the lack of trained tech terminals, s/he was quickly "repaired" and put back in the auditors chair.

    OR is it simply the tech that makes someone spin in? Auditors do not need to be certified by law to give the general public mental therapy and I feel that is dangerous. Even a CPA has to be certified by law to do your business accounting, a painter, or contractor needs to obtain a license to service the general public.
    It certainly happened in London Org, But we all knew that psyches sent in PDH'd and LSD'd weirdos programmed to go crazy. They did it to make scn look bad. Sounds perfectly believable to me.
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    renegade, for those of us who do not know, could you please describe - using specific examples if possible - what "going Type III" actually means. Or meant to you at the time?

    I've seen this expression used but I've never actually seen a description of what was going on.

    I am talking about things like:

    Having an anxiety attack vs. hallucinating, etc.
    Sitting and crying vs. curled into a fetal position, screaming and making guttural noises
    Becoming uncommunicative vs. running down the street ripping one's clothing off

    I'm interested in actual witnessed events.

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    Is the tech capable of making someone go crazy? I don't think Lisa McPhereson had any psych history.

    Pretty scary if you ask me, that people are risking their sanity by doing auditing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeAnna View Post
    renegade, for those of us who do not know, could you please describe - using specific examples if possible - what "going Type III" actually means. Or meant to you at the time?

    I've seen this expression used but I've never actually seen a description of what was going on.

    I am talking about things like:

    Having an anxiety attack vs. hallucinating, etc.
    Sitting and crying vs. curled into a fetal position, screaming and making guttural noises
    Becoming uncommunicative vs. running down the street ripping one's clothing off

    I'm interested in actual witnessed events.
    There was one guy in London who the c/s had decided needed to have opro by dup ran to ep even if all night. It was early in the morning when he backed downstairs in his underwear holding a knife to keep his auditor away, he backed out of the plate glass front door and ran to the police station. He wasn't shouting, but he didn't seem too coherent, the police didn't believe a word he said he was quite disturbed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeAnna View Post
    renegade, for those of us who do not know, could you please describe - using specific examples if possible - what "going Type III" actually means. Or meant to you at the time?

    I've seen this expression used but I've never actually seen a description of what was going on.

    I am talking about things like:

    Having an anxiety attack vs. hallucinating, etc.
    Sitting and crying vs. curled into a fetal position, screaming and making guttural noises
    Becoming uncommunicative vs. running down the street ripping one's clothing off

    I'm interested in actual witnessed events.
    One person started talking incoherently. S/he kept smiling and made no sense at all and could not respond but kept blathering.

    Another had to be watched 24 hours, kept crying and could not leave the house, or be anywhere near her small child.

    Another could not talk or go to work, stayed at home naked and did not care who saw them that way when visitors came to give assists.

    Another freaked out and said they saw the devil and ran from the org never to return.

    Another ended up in a psych ward and was catatonic.

    Another got paranoid and got fired from their job.

    Need more? There was more too.

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    Default Re: How many people went type III in your org?

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeAnna View Post
    renegade, for those of us who do not know, could you please describe - using specific examples if possible - what "going Type III" actually means. Or meant to you at the time?

    I've seen this expression used but I've never actually seen a description of what was going on.

    I am talking about things like:

    Having an anxiety attack vs. hallucinating, etc.
    Sitting and crying vs. curled into a fetal position, screaming and making guttural noises
    Becoming uncommunicative vs. running down the street ripping one's clothing off

    I'm interested in actual witnessed events.
    'Going type three' paints with a broad brush as far as what it means;



    Total psychotic break

    Freaking out

    Losing it

    Bat-shit crazy

    Nervous breakdown

    I'm out of my mind right now, please leave a message


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    Quote Originally Posted by renegade View Post
    Is the tech capable of making someone go crazy? I don't think Lisa McPhereson had any psych history.

    Pretty scary if you ask me, that people are risking their sanity by doing auditing.

    I met Lisa at a New Years event at flag back in the day. She came pre-fragile, I would bet. Do you really want to know how that evil stuff happens? It's when the natural reproductive process is interfered with, especially early in a child's life.

    The real problem with the cult and Lisa McPherson is that Laffy's drivel could never really help seriously mentally injured people. It was institutionalized incompetence. I know, I worked for them for years. It was all bluff and con. It only served to boost peoples egos. 'Look how far up the bridge I am!'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rmack View Post
    'Going type three' paints with a broad brush as far as what it means;

    Total psychotic break

    Freaking out

    Losing it

    Bat-shit crazy

    Nervous breakdown

    I'm out of my mind right now, please leave a message

    Get it?
    Hmmm.... interesting.... now can this questionaire be extended to:

    "How many people went who were type III went in your org ? "
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