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    New here. Just registered. I left the "church" in the late 90's after having gotten into lron's OT levels. It became apparent to me at that time that those "beliefs" that Mr. Rathbun wrote of (at least the first 2) and expressed throughout lron's fabulous "works", especially his OT levels, were knowingly fabricated by lron and intentionally foisted upon individuals using quite effective hypnosis techniques. Some may think he was just loony and believed his own BS. I realized from certain policy letters, training films and other rantings that lron very much knew he was making it up as he went. Yes, the "friend to mankind" simply had cold hard stones. He was evil.

    I laugh sometimes thinking about lron envisioning a world of people hypnotized into believing that they were brought to earth by a comic book character and blown up by H-bombs in volcanos and paying him trillions for the favor. I mean WTF! Stones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beldar View Post
    New here. Just registered. I left the "church" in the late 90's after having gotten into lron's OT levels. It became apparent to me at that time that those "beliefs" that Mr. Rathbun wrote of (at least the first 2) and expressed throughout lron's fabulous "works", especially his OT levels, were knowingly fabricated by lron and intentionally foisted upon individuals using quite effective hypnosis techniques. Some may think he was just loony and believed his own BS. I realized from certain policy letters, training films and other rantings that lron very much knew he was making it up as he went. Yes, the "friend to mankind" simply had cold hard stones. He was evil.

    I laugh sometimes thinking about lron envisioning a world of people hypnotized into believing that they were brought to earth by a comic book character and blown up by H-bombs in volcanos and paying him trillions for the favor. I mean WTF! Stones.


    Hey Beldar!


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    Scientology Beliefs (Marty Rathbun's blog)

    1. Planet Earth is a prison. The vast majority of human beings – and billions of invisible other beings – are its inmates.

    2. Xenu is the name of scientology’s Satan who established Earth as a prison and transported billions of beings to serve as its inmates.

    3. Our continued imprisonment is assured by ‘psychs.’ ‘Psychs’ are defined as psychiatrists, psychologists, psycho-therapists, priests, ministers, and anyone else practicing in the field of the mind and spirit. Psychs were sent here from a planet called ‘Farsec.’ They are a special breed of being created and invested with the sole purpose of keeping humankind mentally imprisoned.

    4. Ron Hubbard is the first to discover the truth of 1 through 3 above, and the only one to have devised a means of escaping the prison planet.


    So! If this is a prison planet and Ron has the only way to escape, Scientology isn't really a religion then, is it?


    It would more accurately be described as a Travel Agency. With one curious idiosyncrasy. . . .

    Scientology loves to heap the highest praise upon its VIP customers who bought the entire escape package. But if any of those former VIP customers return to the agency after their trip and tries to talk to new customers in the waiting room about their experience, the staff members start screaming that they are evil, lying criminals--and the police are immediately called to have them arrested.
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    I wonder if Ron's sent any postcards from Target 2 yet?

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    OK, I'm not OT III, however I DO recall Xenu (also spelled Xemu).

    In fact, I knew all about him years before I got involved with Scientology.





    Thank you Type4 that little baby never gets old. It's such a good example of hubbard's penchant for stealing ideas. After all Hubbard inhabited the world of pulp science fiction and could not have missed the macabre menace of XEMU the merciless.

    He may have even misread it as the marcab menace...



    Edit: The issue pictured was issued 1975. Hubbard wrote OT3 around 1966/67.

    However Xemnu the merciless had been a marvel character since about 1960.

    From liveleak (page plays audio of Hubbard's History of Xemu 'goof the floof' lecture)
    A Marvel Comics villain called Xemnu the Titan featured in Journey into Mystery #62 (Nov, 1960) and #66 (Mar, 1961) as a prototype of The Hulk; Marvel widely reprinted these stories in early 1967 [13] [14]. The Xemnu tale features similar themes to Hubbard's Xenu story: an alien warlord, escape from prison, mass death, telepathy and mental possession of other bodies [15] [16]. A different Marvel villain called Zemu or Xemu appeared in Strange Tales #103 (Dec, 1962) [17] and Fantastic Four #158 (May, 1975) [18].
    Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9f5_1...0x2yfLXjXjM.99
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    Quote Originally Posted by Type4_PTS View Post
    Thanks very much. I see I made a similar post on that thread. Forgot all about it. Must be getting old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jump View Post
    Edit: The issue pictured was issued 1975. Hubbard wrote OT3 around 1966/67.

    However Xemnu the merciless had been a marvel character since about 1960.

    From liveleak (page plays audio of Hubbard's History of Xemu 'goof the floof' lecture)

    From my "Fantastic Four Encyclopedia", translation from German:

    Zemu

    True Name: Zemu alias Xemu
    First Appearance: Strange Tales I, 103 (1962)


    Powers/Weapons:
    Advanced technology: dimension transporter, energy beams, sound amplificating thunder horn

    Intelligence: 2/7
    Strength: 2/7
    Speed: 2/7
    Resilience: 2/7
    Energy projection: 1/7
    Combat skills: 2/7
    Conclusion? Xemu (or Zemu) sucks - DR. DOOM FOR PRESIDENT!!!
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    Interesting that Hubbard indicated that Xenu was also called Xemu. Isn't it unusual for Galactic warlords to have more than one spelling of their name?

    But Xenu has this oddity in common with the character out of Marvel Comics:

    Wikipedia:

    Xemu is the ruler of a dimension in the Marvel Universe.

    The character, created by Stan Lee, Larry Lieber and Jack Kirby, first appeared in Strange Tales #103 (December 1962). His name was spelled "Zemu" in this initial appearance, but was changed to Xemu when he reappeared in Fantastic Four #158 (May 1975).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._characters:_X
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    Quote Originally Posted by Type4_PTS View Post
    Interesting that Hubbard indicated that Xenu was also called Xemu. Isn't it unusual for Galactic warlords to have more than one spelling of their name?

    But Xenu has this oddity in common with the character out of Marvel Comics:

    Wikipedia:


    [snipped]
    Yarr, strange stuff. Confusing, really. I used to think ... and other people ... that the Marvel thing - the F4 appearance with the cover, most only knew that one - was an early pun at Co$ ... not something like the "South Park" episode really to educate people, but more something like an insider joke ... by somebody maybe who had left ... a joke within pop culture and strange pop culture "religions" ... But if the first appearance of that chara, or of the other one, "Xemnu the Titan", has been earlier than OTIII, then Hubbard actually might have ripped it off. WOW, if the story about "Xemnu the Titan" really has similarities to the OTIII story! Anyhow, whether Hubs has or hasn't: later maybe, Marvel (that is, "some guy"!) changed the name of that unimportant minor character to really make a gag about Co$ out of it... Name and design changes on charas do happen, there also are parallel universes and complete new "timelines" and such stuff, new serials where history gets rewritten completely... that in itself isn't too unusual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dulloldfart View Post
    Sounds more like he vaguely remembered Parsec as being some kind of scientific thingamajig, so if he changed it slightly to Farsec it would add credibility as it would look familiar to people. Kinda like the similarity of Xenu to the prefix xeno- meaning alien or strange.

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