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    part 2:

    Hubbards nefarious or diabolical use of rhetoric:


    ethos (character, credibility, self appointed by hubbard to himself and some appointed to members) - Dr Hubbard, writer, explorers club member, Dr Hubbard, mankinds greatest friend, source, commodore, homo novus, clear, OT, your post in a org is not a job but a crusade, elite of the elite, the top 1% of the population, Sea Org and ranks, org board and so on. (Note: Hubbard gave members ethos!)


    pathos (emotions) - science of survival, the chart of human evaluation, OCA personality test, tone scale, love bombing, TR's, well and happy person, wins, success stories, and so on.


    logos (logic, reasoned discourse) - DMSMH, def of scientology, formula's 8-8008, 0-8, charts, graphs, FDS, emeter, etc


    Hubbard's actual ethos, logos, pathos - madman or messiah, a piece of blue sky, stories told by ex members at ESMB and elsewhere.

    Members actual ethos, logos & pathos the same, stories told here and elsewhere.

    Le Bon:

    Affirmation: success stories, floating needle, certs, clapping at a picture of LRH, clapping at events, clapping at a member success story, etc.

    Repetition: number of times over equals certainty, repetitive processes, drills, drills & drills, Chinese drills, and so on.

    Contagion: lies about members, lies about expansion, success stories, etc

    Prestige: ties into ethos above.

    Everything is interlinked, the woof and warp.



    I only listed what came to mind while posting this, but there are tons more of the ethos, pathos, logos, repetition, affirmation, prestige, contagion found throughout esmb and other blogs that folks have voiced. If you wish to add please do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gib View Post
    part 2:

    Hubbards nefarious or diabolical use of rhetoric:


    ethos (character, credibility, self appointed by hubbard to himself and some appointed to members) - Dr Hubbard, writer, explorers club member, Dr Hubbard, mankinds greatest friend, source, commodore, homo novus, clear, OT, your post in a org is not a job but a crusade, elite of the elite, the top 1% of the population, Sea Org and ranks, org board and so on. (Note: Hubbard gave members ethos!)


    pathos (emotions) - science of survival, the chart of human evaluation, OCA personality test, tone scale, love bombing, TR's, well and happy person, wins, success stories, and so on.


    logos (logic, reasoned discourse) - DMSMH, def of scientology, formula's 8-8008, 0-8, charts, graphs, FDS, emeter, etc


    Hubbard's actual ethos, logos, pathos - madman or messiah, a piece of blue sky, stories told by ex members at ESMB and elsewhere.

    Members actual ethos, logos & pathos the same, stories told here and elsewhere.

    Le Bon:

    Affirmation: success stories, floating needle, certs, clapping at a picture of LRH, clapping at events, clapping at a member success story, etc.

    Repetition: number of times over equals certainty, repetitive processes, drills, drills & drills, Chinese drills, and so on.

    Contagion: lies about members, lies about expansion, success stories, etc

    Prestige: ties into ethos above.

    Everything is interlinked, the woof and warp.



    I only listed what came to mind while posting this, but there are tons more of the ethos, pathos, logos, repetition, affirmation, prestige, contagion found throughout esmb and other blogs that folks have voiced. If you wish to add please do.

    Well done Gib yes a woven fabric of half truths lies and indoctrination what others might call
    a memeplex virus of the mind and very insiduous IMO
    And what do you call it when a condescending asshole walks in and starts preaching from
    the delusional works of an even bigger asshole ?
    "Standard Scientology"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elronius of Marcabia View Post
    Well done Gib yes a woven fabric of half truths lies and indoctrination what others might call
    a memeplex virus of the mind and very insiduous IMO
    yep, no doubt in modern terms we was memeplexed, but still derived from Rhetoric or retermed.

    What would Ron do? LOL

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    Great post by John P over at Tony O blog:

    http://tonyortega.org/2017/03/14/mem...#disqus_thread

    "John P. 16 hours ago

    In this article, Tony mentions the names of people who "declared independence" on Marty's blog throughout its life. It would be interesting to see how many of those people continue to believe in the idea of "independent Scientology," to get some sort of quantitative handle on the viability of Scientology beliefs and practices outside the highly punitive organization of the cult.

    As I've said on many occasions, and as many have probably experienced directly, I think Scientology self-help "tech" is so time-consuming and ineffective that people are not likely to continue to practice it without the cult behind it. It requires all of the following to keep you engaged:

    * Putting enormous sums of non-refundable money "on account" well in advance of need to give you a major case of "sunk cost bias."

    * The requirement to write a success story to "prove" you got major "wins" from each course or auditing session, getting you to believe that you got value from a course.

    * Expensive "repair" auditing when you didn't get a major win from a course, giving you another incentive to claim that you got value from something the first time

    * Being sent to "ethics" for more expensive punitive auditing and sec checking when you have any doubts about the cult.

    * A culture of secrecy where others are forbidden to talk about their experiences with "the tech" so you think you are the only ones who are not getting incredible wins from what you've spent all that money for.

    I would be willing to bet that substantially less than half of the people who so proudly "declared independence" on Marty's blog are still involved in any way with Scientology practices, a clear indicator that there's no real viability for "independent Scientology."



    He's missing a few things from his summary. And they are right out of Le Bon's book that Hubbard read and applied:

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthrea...95#post1059395

    Consider Affirmation. Those are success stories, the original Dianetics book had affirmation from Dr. Winter which helped to create the "books make booms" line Hubbard used later on, there are many affirmations Hubbard presents and w/o proof and Le Bon explains that as well.

    Consider Repetition. Number of times over = certainty. Constant TR's are done by staff members. KSW at the beginning of every course, the quantity of letters out is what matters, not the quality, there are many more.

    Consider Contagion. The two above reinforce contagion and propagate it. A perfect example is Terril Park unbeknownst to hisself.

    Consider Prestige. The whole bridge to total freedom is one of prestige, status. Hubbard creates prestige from the get go in Dianetics, a clear is homo novis, and then OT is mystical being with powers, the Sea Org members are the elite of the elite, what do I think of auditors as the top smartest people on earth, on and on, Hubbard establishes Prestige along with the Affirmation, Repetition, and Contagion to create a crowd, a following, as delineated by Le Bon.
    What is the IAS but promoted, and constantly promoted by DM but as Prestige.

    The Freezone does not do this, hence fail. LOL and thank god, they ain't got the bucks to advertise.

    If you take into account the timeline of hubbard and scientology, and the available means of persuasion during the times, why in the beginning the only available means of persuasion were letters out and phone calls, and the radio and TV began to get developed, and Jefferson Hawkins in the 1980's developed and marketed Dianetics on TV, repetition of a commercial, and books make booms is what he learned and applied and a second expansion of dianetics and scientology occurred thru that means of TV and repetition.

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    Here is a Long Read, also new book coming out in 2018:

    https://longreads.com/2017/02/01/xen...l-ron-hubbard/

    excerpt:

    "Most had paid thousands of dollars for the privilege, which made it by far the most lucrative story Hubbard, or perhaps anyone, ever wrote—a spectacular rate for a writer who spent much of his career earning a penny per word."

    And DM has made the OT3 story even more lucrative by going the route of straight donations to the IAS, Idle Orgs, Super Power Bldg, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gib View Post
    Here is a Long Read, also new book coming out in 2018:

    https://longreads.com/2017/02/01/xen...l-ron-hubbard/

    excerpt:

    "Most had paid thousands of dollars for the privilege, which made it by far the most lucrative story Hubbard, or perhaps anyone, ever wrote—a spectacular rate for a writer who spent much of his career earning a penny per word."

    And DM has made the OT3 story even more lucrative by going the route of straight donations to the IAS, Idle Orgs, Super Power Bldg, etc.
    I enjoyed the read. I particularly like the part about how compassionate a man hubbard was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gib View Post
    Here is a Long Read, also new book coming out in 2018:

    https://longreads.com/2017/02/01/xen...l-ron-hubbard/

    excerpt:

    "Most had paid thousands of dollars for the privilege, which made it by far the most lucrative story Hubbard, or perhaps anyone, ever wrote—a spectacular rate for a writer who spent much of his career earning a penny per word."

    And DM has made the OT3 story even more lucrative by going the route of straight donations to the IAS, Idle Orgs, Super Power Bldg, etc.
    thinking out loud and putting it in writing, this guy is spot on. Let me explain.

    LRH had a few gigs going on with scientology, very clever of man's best friend as he said, not anybody else, LOL,

    I'm thinking with Hubbard wanted to make money ( the work was free so make it so, LOL).

    He managed to create a captive audience from the very beginning of the dianetics book, and he capitalized on that. (we make the able more able is the captive audience)

    Ron created a few sources of income from his "words of wisdom" (or penny a word).

    Get the audience or crowd or captive audience to:

    1. Buy scientology books and lectures and dianetics books (books make booms is the rhetoric to persuade), ie Bridge Publications and ASI ( and collecting commissions from each book/lecture sold)

    2. Collecting commissions from each org and mission franchise.

    DM and his army of highly paid lawyers has took it to a another level and managed to collect IAS donations as pure donations.

    Here's what interesting, no clears or OT's exist. LOL

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    http://www.uh.edu/engines/epi2185.htm

    "In his The Psychology of Crowds, published in 1895, le Bon baptized this period the Era of Crowds. When people are pulled from their rural roots and thrown into cities, the framework of traditional beliefs and social hierarchy collapses. Individuals thus become a crowd, a mass galvanized by simple ideas. Charismatic leaders, skilled at using the tools of modern public relations, played the crowd to achieve barbaric ends."

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    Le Bon was trained as a doctor, and he used medical language to portray this process. He asserted that ideas circulate in the crowd as microbes do in the human body. When absorbed by the crowd, the individual loses control of his reason, forgets his individuality and reverts to his most primitive state. Le Bon claimed that the crowd can be hypnotized to do terrible things, and terrible things it did: Mussolini and Hitler were among Le Bon's keenest students.

    Where does one draw the line between observation and obsession, interpretation and invention? It's hard to say. Le Bon's work may well be the disease for which it pretends to be the cure."

    Ever wonder why the French are against scientology as a religion, maybe Le Bon's works have something to with it? And Hubbard read Le Bon's books and implemented the ideas.

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    Illusions

    from Le Bon's book the crowd, which Hubbard read:

    https://socserv2.socsci.mcmaster.ca/...bon/Crowds.pdf

    "2. Illusions.

    From the dawn of civilization onwards crowds have always undergone the influence of illusions. It is to the creators of illusions that they have raised more temples, statues, and altars than to any other class of men. Whether it be the religious illusions of the past or the philosophic and social illusions of the present, these formidable sovereign powers are always found at the head of all the civilizations that have successively flourished on our planet."

    Now, imagine Hubbard reading that and creating dianetics and scientology, and also thinking with his affirmations, and what do you get?

    Hubbard created the illusion of clear, and then OT.

    DM has continued in the illusion.

    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/ias-f...medal-winners/

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    Really good information Gib - thank you!

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