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    A bad time for POC to parrot the kooks.

    “What we have now is a community that was really influenced by these anti-vaccine groups. And they’ve performed a natural experiment: to forgo the measles vaccine based on this propaganda,” Johnson told NBC News.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health...eptics-n756246

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    (CNN)A measles outbreak continues to strike Minnesota as health officials stress the importance of getting vaccinated.

    There are now 48 confirmed measles cases in Hennepin, Ramsey and Crow Wing counties, mostly affecting unvaccinated Somali-American children, according to data released by the state's Department of Health on Monday.
    Of those impacted, 46 are children 10 and younger; 41 are Somali-American; and 45 have not been vaccinated against the disease, according to the data.
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/08/health...-bn/index.html

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    Anti-vaccine activists spark a state’s worst measles outbreak in decades

    Suaado Salah listened. And this spring, her 3-year-old boy and 18-month-old girl contracted measles in Minnesota’s largest outbreak of the highly infectious and potentially deadly disease in nearly three decades. Her daughter, who had a rash, high fever and cough, was hospitalized for four nights and needed intravenous fluids and oxygen.
    “I thought: ‘I’m in America. I thought I’m in a safe place and my kids will never get sick in that disease,’ ” said Salah, 26, who has lived in Minnesota for more than a decade. Growing up in Somalia, she’d had measles as a child. A sister died of the disease at age 3.
    Salah no longer believes that the MMR vaccine triggers autism, a discredited theory that spread rapidly through the local Somali community, fanned by meetings organized by anti-vaccine groups. The activists repeatedly invited Andrew Wakefield, the founder of the modern anti-vaccine movement, to talk to worried parents.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.d9df2bb8c042

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonycat View Post
    A bad time for POC to parrot the kooks.
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    Given that a current senior scientist at the CDC admitted he and his colleagues committed scientific misconduct to cover up a meaningful link between vaccines and autism in black boys, perhaps it's a bad time for POC to believe the proclamations from CDC on issues of vaccine safety?
    "CDC scientists colluded to cover up a relationship between the timing of the MMR vaccine and autism in African Americans that was first discovered in November of 2001. Rather than reporting the results to the public, all data regarding this relationship were destroyed at a secret meeting held some time in August/September of 2002. This fact has been affirmed via an affidavit given by Dr. Thompson to Rep. Bill Posey in September, 2014"

    https://worldmercuryproject.org/wp-c...m_Thompson.pdf
    If that's not enough, there's plenty of other evidence of corruption within this agency that should make a reasonable person question their creditability on these vaccine issues:
    https://worldmercuryproject.org/advo...-and-cover-up/

    There's plenty of valid science that's been done (some of which I linked to earlier) that should give one cause for concern.

    Sorry, but characterizing those who expose the corruption and/or make a science based argument as "kooks" isn't that convincing for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Type4_PTS View Post
    Given that a current senior scientist at the CDC admitted he and his colleagues committed scientific misconduct to cover up a meaningful link between vaccines and autism in black boys, perhaps it's a bad time for POC to believe the proclamations from CDC on issues of vaccine safety?


    If that's not enough, there's plenty of other evidence of corruption within this agency that should make a reasonable person question their creditability on these vaccine issues:
    https://worldmercuryproject.org/advo...-and-cover-up/

    There's plenty of valid science that's been done (some of which I linked to earlier) that should give one cause for concern.

    Sorry, but characterizing those who expose the corruption and/or make a science based argument as "kooks" isn't that convincing for me.
    I am skeptical, since all I see is an opinion of one doctor of another's opinion who later recanted that opinion. It's enough to raise a red flag to look into this further, but beyond the opinions of opinions, are the actual alleged documents proving this link available?

    After all, if they were sent to a Congressman, someone must have copies, right?

    Do you have information on this other study referred to on that site that links tics with autism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CommunicatorIC View Post
    Nation of Islam Workshop on Vaccinations at the Church of Scientology of Miami.

    From Mike Rinder's Thursday Funnies: http://www.mikerindersblog.org/thursday-funnies-129/

    MORE on Nation of Islam Workshop on Vaccinations at the Church of Scientology of Miami.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JustSheila View Post
    I am skeptical, since all I see is an opinion of one doctor of another's opinion who later recanted that opinion. It's enough to raise a red flag to look into this further, but beyond the opinions of opinions, are the actual alleged documents proving this link available?
    Sheila, sorry, saw your post just now, ten days after you wrote it.

    I think that it's more convincing if you actually hear the recording of the conversation between Dr. William Thompson (CDC Scientist) and Dr.Brian Hooker. It's clear from hearing the recording that Dr. Thompson believed that he personally (as well as his associates at CDC) acted very unethically (if not criminally) with how they manipulated the data on the study which changed the outcome of the research, and it was clear that he felt very guilty about it.

    I'll post the link to the recording later whenever I'm able to find one (for free).

    With regards to Thompson's "reanalysis" of the paper later (which I believe is what you're referring to as him recanting his opinion), Dr. Hooker said this:

    Regardless of the content of Dr. Thompson’s reanalysis paper, these facts remain:

    1. CDC scientists colluded to cover up a relationship between the timing of the MMR vaccine and autism in African Americans that was first discovered in November of 2001. Rather than reporting the results to the public, all data regarding this relationship were destroyed at a secret meeting held some time in August/September of 2002. This fact has been affirmed via an affidavit given by Dr. Thompson to Rep. Bill Posey in September, 2014.

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    Full Statement: https://worldmercuryproject.org/wp-c...m_Thompson.pdf





    Quote Originally Posted by JustSheila View Post
    After all, if they were sent to a Congressman, someone must have copies, right?
    As far as the actual documents, Dr. Thompson has said that he kept hard copies of them after he was ordered to shred them, and he sent a copy to a Congressman in FL who put them in a safe and asked for hearings on the matter, but those never happened to my knowledge.



    Quote Originally Posted by JustSheila View Post
    Do you have information on this other study referred to on that site that links tics with autism?
    I'll link to it when I get a moment to dig it up; it may be some days though.

    Probably will put it into a different thread though somewhere in "Off-Topic" sub-forum, as I already derailed this thread more that I should have.

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