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    Default 13 March 2008 event prediction, SH size requirements, OT IX and X

    I have good reason to believe DM will take his next strategic step in releasing OT IX and X this LRH Birthday event.

    The next step in preparation for this release is changing the requirements for Saint Hill Size orgs.

    This is an important matter, for you might think it would be impossible or at least a very difficult thing for DM to change one of the best known -- at least to staff -- LRH policies. But not so: He already briefed Milano 'Ideal Org' staff on this strategy as a 'pilot' to see how they react, and management has been briefed and nobody seemed to have any great objection to it.

    How can this be?

    Pretty easy: Purpose is above policy, so DM is taking the angle of what the purpose of 339R and Saint Hill size is: To get all orgs in the world above the make-break point. Combined with personal incentive to staff members, it will succeed, and that is exactly how he has it laid out: The new basis for Saint Hill size is going to be staff pay.

    The story is long and boring and goes back to when DM visited Saint Hill and took a look at the SH student enrollment records from the SH boom days... (This is undoubtedly the way he is going to start his presentation.) But, basically, the end result is going to be a whole different set of requirements, radically lower than the current requirements for Saint Hill size, and staff will be happy as the key requirement is '' the same or slightly better pay for staff as the average wage for a similar job in the wog world.'' What staff member would not vouch for that, after making virtually no income for decades working for Scientology, but rather having been forced to moonlight and sacrifice whatever else they made otherwise? I don't think anyone is going to be asking 'is this based on LRH?' especially since DM, true to style, is going to make sure the 'applicable' LRH references will be a central part of the briefing. 'Applicable' won't include the current standards for SH size.

    It is probably clear for most people why is this the next big strategic step toward releasing OT IX and X: The last major prerequisite, and the worst bugged one, to be filled is 'all orgs in the world the size of old Saint Hill.'

    So we should shortly see DM's debug: Change the requirements.

    I am rather certain the release of OT IX and X will be timed with the 20th anniversary of Freewinds. Whether it can be pulled off by that time is a different question, but it is without question DM's intention. It has been in the making for several years. With recent events, this is a very likely thing to be implemented at this time.

    The implementation includes changing the finance system for orgs to make this possible.

    If not part of the public event, it might be a 'special briefing for staff only,' in which case we won't see it featured. That might be a preferable way for DM, as then a 'miraculous' expansion could be made to take place, with all orgs suddenly going 'SH size' without the public even knowing about the change in requirements. DM could then also make it look like Scientologist had suddenly risen up to the occasion due to an 'external enemy,' to try and motivate the public. Yes, that too is predictable as the sun rising.

    Either way, I think this data should be disseminated broadly before the event so that as many Scientologist and staff know of it beforehand.

    One of two things could happen as a result: 1) Any Scientology public who hears of it first from outside sources would be less likely to fall for DMs crap on March 13th and have the cognition that the outside world knows more than the average staff member or 2) DM would have to give up on that strategy or at least radically modify it or delay its implementation. Would be a win either way.
    Will that be cash, cheque or credit card?

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    Fewer staff would defect if higher pay were added to the equation.

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    Like any Saint hill Size org, a month after it is deemed Saint Hill Size it will crash. Not because I said so.... Thats the reality based on stats. How many kept SH size status?

    And within 3 months, ethics missions will be in the org...

    I've seen it all before.

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    LBV speaks great sooth. If you can't make the goal, move the goal posts.

    However, can he change the "Every Org" part? Even with improved Staff Pay, the number of small and failing orgs far outweigh the large ones. And while we have seen the CLO's stat push one or two over the make-break point, they never stay there very long.

    Be interesting to see how he will try to spin that.

    Of course, if they HAD any OT's they would not have the problems they now have. The FZ has "bigger OT's" currently....
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    DM definitely has to do something. The protests are sure to make public and staff start to wonder about stuff. And I'm sure he'll spin it so it all makes "perfect sense".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Div6 View Post

    However, can he change the "Every Org" part? Even with improved Staff Pay, the number of small and failing orgs far outweigh the large ones. And while we have seen the CLO's stat push one or two over the make-break point, they never stay there very long.

    Be interesting to see how he will try to spin that.
    Div6, I don't know, but let me guess: How many orgs were there in the world when LRH announced the Birthday Game? Who says all CURRENT orgs need to be SH size? "That's not what LRH meant," was it?

    (Actually I probably shouldn't give that idea to DM, he'll use it...)
    Will that be cash, cheque or credit card?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Bear Victor View Post
    I have good reason to believe DM will take his next strategic step in releasing OT IX and X this LRH Birthday event.
    LBV, I'm wondering what resources DM has in compiling, piloting and finalizing the new levels, what with Ray being in the SP room (and tech terminals blown or offloaded)?

    Are you saying that he's bypassing and doing it all himself, as usual?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Bear Victor View Post
    I have good reason to believe DM will take his next strategic step in releasing OT IX and X this LRH Birthday event.

    The next step in preparation for this release is changing the requirements for Saint Hill Size orgs.

    This is an important matter, for you might think it would be impossible or at least a very difficult thing for DM to change one of the best known -- at least to staff -- LRH policies. But not so: He already briefed Milano 'Ideal Org' staff on this strategy as a 'pilot' to see how they react, and management has been briefed and nobody seemed to have any great objection to it.

    How can this be?

    Pretty easy: Purpose is above policy, so DM is taking the angle of what the purpose of 339R and Saint Hill size is: To get all orgs in the world above the make-break point. Combined with personal incentive to staff members, it will succeed, and that is exactly how he has it laid out: The new basis for Saint Hill size is going to be staff pay.

    The story is long and boring and goes back to when DM visited Saint Hill and took a look at the SH student enrollment records from the SH boom days... (This is undoubtedly the way he is going to start his presentation.) But, basically, the end result is going to be a whole different set of requirements, radically lower than the current requirements for Saint Hill size, and staff will be happy as the key requirement is '' the same or slightly better pay for staff as the average wage for a similar job in the wog world.'' What staff member would not vouch for that, after making virtually no income for decades working for Scientology, but rather having been forced to moonlight and sacrifice whatever else they made otherwise? I don't think anyone is going to be asking 'is this based on LRH?' especially since DM, true to style, is going to make sure the 'applicable' LRH references will be a central part of the briefing. 'Applicable' won't include the current standards for SH size.

    It is probably clear for most people why is this the next big strategic step toward releasing OT IX and X: The last major prerequisite, and the worst bugged one, to be filled is 'all orgs in the world the size of old Saint Hill.'

    So we should shortly see DM's debug: Change the requirements.

    I am rather certain the release of OT IX and X will be timed with the 20th anniversary of Freewinds. Whether it can be pulled off by that time is a different question, but it is without question DM's intention. It has been in the making for several years. With recent events, this is a very likely thing to be implemented at this time.

    The implementation includes changing the finance system for orgs to make this possible.

    If not part of the public event, it might be a 'special briefing for staff only,' in which case we won't see it featured. That might be a preferable way for DM, as then a 'miraculous' expansion could be made to take place, with all orgs suddenly going 'SH size' without the public even knowing about the change in requirements. DM could then also make it look like Scientologist had suddenly risen up to the occasion due to an 'external enemy,' to try and motivate the public. Yes, that too is predictable as the sun rising.

    Either way, I think this data should be disseminated broadly before the event so that as many Scientologist and staff know of it beforehand.

    One of two things could happen as a result: 1) Any Scientology public who hears of it first from outside sources would be less likely to fall for DMs crap on March 13th and have the cognition that the outside world knows more than the average staff member or 2) DM would have to give up on that strategy or at least radically modify it or delay its implementation. Would be a win either way.
    Well, we know with the income for the Sea Org that Sea Org members for DECADES should have been able to get the same pay as "wogs." (I hate this term, it is such a degrade ser fac slur)

    Will he apply this new idea to the Sea Org staff?

    Will he mention anything about lowering the taxes the Sea Org puts on the Orgs so the staff can have any pay?

    Will he mention any tax breaks from CofS Internal Revenue Branches like SMI, ABLE, WISE, Applied Scholastics, etc etc?

    With the structure the way it is the Managment has been taking all the money available.

    Will they let anyone else have any?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nowout View Post
    LBV, I'm wondering what resources DM has in compiling, piloting and finalizing the new levels, what with Ray being in the SP room (and tech terminals blown or offloaded)?

    Are you saying that he's bypassing and doing it all himself, as usual?
    Why wouldn't he? He mentioned at the last big event he had finally made it through reading Dianetics.

    T.O.

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    Hubbard: "MAGIC is a very precise study. Most people think of magic in terms of stage magicians or something of the sort. It's not. Magic is not. It is a method of producing effects by using for cause the supernatural. 5203C10.
    Hubbard: "If you want to get real tragic, forget it was just magic."

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Oracle View Post
    Well, we know with the income for the Sea Org that Sea Org members for DECADES should have been able to get the same pay as "wogs." (I hate this term, it is such a degrade ser fac slur)

    Will he apply this new idea to the Sea Org staff?

    Will he mention anything about lowering the taxes the Sea Org puts on the Orgs so the staff can have any pay?

    Will he mention any tax breaks from CofS Internal Revenue Branches like SMI, ABLE, WISE, Applied Scholastics, etc etc?

    With the structure the way it is the Managment has been taking all the money available.

    Will they let anyone else have any?

    T.O.
    And that raises a question I have had for a while. From my limited exposure, it seems that the focus in the orgs has been Building donos and IAS cycles. Courses and auditing being de-emphasized. The church doesn't have to report the donos, but it does have to report the income from services delivered.

    First, is that a valid observation. If so, how will they do both?
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