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    Quote Originally Posted by Free to shine View Post
    Latest update.

    In short, scientology want to send out a letter to possible candidates from MIKE ELLIS (IJC) asking them if they would participate.
    OMFG.

    I suppose the idea that it comes from him is supposed to stop people immediately ringing OSA (which of course they will) so they don't get into legal trouble though IMO there is no way they wouldn't be 'briefed' anyway, no way. "Meet me at this street at midnight and I'll brief you". Oh yes, that happens. This is so totally crazy I can imagine the frenzy it is creating to try and find a way to "handle" this terrible emergency. The bolded sentence below is telling them what to say per policy! The letter is giving scientologists protection from their own organisation's other policies!! I really hope the Judge understands the complexities of this. Also the fact that NO scientologist "in good standing" is EVER going to do anything other than what they are told and expected to do - follow policy.



    From the motion:



    To see the proposed letter: http://tonyortega.org/2017/06/03/sci...-are-you-nuts/
    I know this is subtle, and meant to be by Hubbard and DM/COS/Lawyers.

    follow policy?

    If you ask me that is brainwashing, or creating Ronbots. LOL (hey, at OT8 you get to find out who you are not, and the next level you get find out who you are, or some such carrot on a stick BS, LOL)

    No independent thoughts allowed, just follow policy or "what would Ron do". LOL

    But, anyways, didn't the lawyer on Leah Remini latest episode state that the way he won lawsuits was to separate religion from 1st Amendment rights or something like that.

    This latest rhetorical appeal by Wally Pope is trying to get religion involved whereas the lawsuit is about fraud of money and not religious beliefs.

    I hope the Judge sees thru this, for rhetoric is not to be considered in a court case.

    http://chicagounbound.uchicago.edu/c...context=uclrev

    I do believe this fellow has figured it out:

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    It seems to me that this whole sorry mess stems from the agreements the Garcias signed when they were scientologists.

    I am not a lawyer but I would have thought those agreements would be classed as contracts and when the Garcias were declared as SPs that would effectively break the contract. But the judge is insisting the Garcias fulfill their side of the contract even though the CofS has kicked them out.

    I think the judge should have taken advice from an ex scientologist before he embarked on this crazy course of action because it is obviously unworkable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThetanExterior View Post
    It seems to me that this whole sorry mess stems from the agreements the Garcias signed when they were scientologists.

    I am not a lawyer but I would have thought those agreements would be classed as contracts and when the Garcias were declared as SPs that would effectively break the contract. But the judge is insisting the Garcias fulfill their side of the contract even though the CofS has kicked them out.

    I think the judge should have taken advice from an ex scientologist before he embarked on this crazy course of action because it is obviously unworkable.
    WHAT IS SCIENTOLOGY?

    Scientology is a very precise science (over a span of 65 years) of using members money extorted and manipulated out of them...to pay scum bag attorney's like Monique Yingling - hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not MILLIONS - to put together legal dox members sign so $cientrickery can keep all of the money and you can't do ANYTHING ABOUT IT. They are documents that SUPPRESS its members. There is no Confronting and Shattering either - you are fucked if you sign them. The ignorant and uneducated (typically young) staff members will LIE to the victim to get them to sign it. "If it is not in writing - it is not true"....so there you go. They have to get a stat - you routed on to the course or auditing.

    You pay up front. Money is deemed "donation". When I asked why the money was deemed a donation for "future services" - I was told by the 17 year old staff member - that "we are a church and the IRS wants us to call it a donation"

    Then you do the routing form. You trust - you are in a CHURCH for Xenu's sake (trust is at the top o the tone scale )

    They gloss over the legal dox spewing stories about THE PSYCH'S infiltrating Org's and sending crazy people in that did services and then went CRAZY....

    You believe the shore stories because you don't expect A FUCKING CHURCH TO LIE!

    THAT IS SCIENTOLOGY. THAT IS HOW THEY KEEP YOUR MONEY and take away all of your rights - with your agreement through manipulation and deception. So easy to prove - I can't believe no one has challenged this in court.

    When my friends asked for a refund - the $cientology attorney cited that they did not claim "deceit and manipulation and fraud" - therefore - were not entitled to getting it back.

    If you want a refund - you must be willing to discuss the deceit and fraud with the cock roach attorneys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knows View Post
    WHAT IS SCIENTOLOGY?

    Scientology is a very precise science (over a span of 65 years) of using members money extorted and manipulated out of them...to pay scum bag attorney's like Monique Yingling - hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not MILLIONS - to put together legal dox members sign so $cientrickery can keep all of the money and you can't do ANYTHING ABOUT IT. They are documents that SUPPRESS its members. There is no Confronting and Shattering either - you are fucked if you sign them. The ignorant and uneducated (typically young) staff members will LIE to the victim to get them to sign it. "If it is not in writing - it is not true"....so there you go. They have to get a stat - you routed on to the course or auditing.

    You pay up front. Money is deemed "donation". When I asked why the money was deemed a donation for "future services" - I was told by the 17 year old staff member - that "we are a church and the IRS wants us to call it a donation"

    Then you do the routing form. You trust - you are in a CHURCH for Xenu's sake (trust is at the top o the tone scale )

    They gloss over the legal dox spewing stories about THE PSYCH'S infiltrating Org's and sending crazy people in that did services and then went CRAZY....

    You believe the shore stories because you don't expect A FUCKING CHURCH TO LIE!

    THAT IS SCIENTOLOGY. THAT IS HOW THEY KEEP YOUR MONEY and take away all of your rights - with your agreement through manipulation and deception. So easy to prove - I can't believe no one has challenged this in court.

    When my friends asked for a refund - the $cientology attorney cited that they did not claim "deceit and manipulation and fraud" - therefore - were not entitled to getting it back.

    If you want a refund - you must be willing to discuss the deceit and fraud with the cock roach attorneys.
    Until the CoS produces just one Clear or just one OT (as described and promised by Hubbard) then Scientology IS a fraud!

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    Default Re: Garcias back in court in fraud lawsuit after Scientology makes arbitration imposs

    Quote Originally Posted by ThetanExterior View Post
    It seems to me that this whole sorry mess stems from the agreements the Garcias signed when they were scientologists.

    I am not a lawyer but I would have thought those agreements would be classed as contracts and when the Garcias were declared as SPs that would effectively break the contract. But the judge is insisting the Garcias fulfill their side of the contract even though the CofS has kicked them out.

    I think the judge should have taken advice from an ex scientologist before he embarked on this crazy course of action because it is obviously unworkable.
    Totally agreed.
    IJC is most likely briefing a few attention seekers as we read this.
    Wankers!
    I hope this Judge is smart about what he is doing.
    phenomanon

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    Default Re: Garcias back in court in fraud lawsuit after Scientology makes arbitration imposs

    Quote Originally Posted by phenomanon View Post
    Totally agreed.
    IJC is most likely briefing a few attention seekers as we read this.
    Wankers!
    I hope this Judge is smart about what he is doing.
    But, anyways, didn't the lawyer on Leah Remini latest episode state that the way he won lawsuits was to separate religion from 1st Amendment rights or something like that.

    This latest rhetorical appeal by Wally Pope is trying to get religion involved whereas the lawsuit is about fraud of money and not religious beliefs.

    I hope the Judge sees thru this, for rhetoric is not to be considered in a court case.
    I wonder why the lawyers didn't bring up that the contracts are one sided and unenforceable. Methinks this case is but one of many he has to hear, and he rules on what he is presented with, and has not researched Scientology to the point of understanding more fully what they are about. So he keeps expecting them to play by the rules, such as following a normal arbitration procedure, not fully cognizant Scientology doesn't ever play by the rules unless it benefits them.

    Mimsey

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