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    Default Re: Why did Marty Rathbun delete a post accusing Klaus Buchele of being an OSA Agent?

    Quote Originally Posted by CommunicatorIC View Post
    Why did Mark "Marty" Rathbun delete a post accusing Klaus Buchele of being a Scientology OSA Agent?

    The following was researched and first presented by Marc Plummer on the Facebook group SPs R Us:

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/SPsr...4063420328688/ [..]
    Quote Originally Posted by AnonyMary View Post
    Might be good for someone to verify his current status before anyone gets all tinfoily
    Written for ESMB readers to consider...


    Quote Originally Posted by CommunicatorIC View Post
    The current status of Klaus Buchele? On the theory that Marty removed the post because he has determined either that Klaus Buchele: (1) was never an OSA agent, and his January 10, 2012 post was incorrect when it was posted; or (2) is no longer an OSA agent, and the use of the present tense "is" in the January 10, 2012 post might mislead people?

    If either is the case, why would Marty not replace the prior January 10, 2012 post with an explanation regarding why it was removed?
    I answered that... see?

    Quote Originally Posted by AnonyMary View Post
    I don't recall ever seeing a blog or forum owner post an update on why they removed a page, or a blog in total except on rare occasions to make known that the removal was due to a DMCA notice aka legal take down notice.

    I write my comment, just wanting to give the benefit of the doubt since you made the assumption that he did it for OSA or for some allegiance to OSA. It's always fair to consider other possibilities.

    You can come up with any theory you like about that page removal, free speech being just that. However, oftentimes there is more behind the decision to remove a page or a comment from one. Maybe the guy was harassing Mosey for OSA and contacted Marty because he personally didn't want what was written to be on the internet? Maybe Marty deleted it in a truce for the guy to lay off bothering his wife... anything is possible. [..] .
    OK, I assumed... I presumed. My bad. So do tell us why you cross posted this in the first place? What was your intention? Because your answer below, begs more questions about your intent than question you asked at the start of the post itself :


    Quote Originally Posted by CommunicatorIC View Post
    I did no such thing. My OP noted the fact that the post had been removed, and asked the question why it was done. The comment to which you responded did not assume that Marty did it for OSA or for some allegiance to OSA. On the contrary, it asked if you were operating on, "the theory that Marty removed the post because he has determined either that Klaus Buchele: (1) was never an OSA agent, and his January 10, 2012 post was incorrect when it was posted; or (2) is no longer an OSA agent, and the use of the present tense "is" in the January 10, 2012 post might mislead people?"
    If you read the FB thread and comments already posted at the time just before decided to posted the OP ( I just did now ) you would have already had the answer to your question.

    Did you read them beforehand?


    Mark Plummer

    September 14 at 9:25pm


    Does anyone know why Mark 'Marty' Rathbun took this page down?
    http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/201...peration-klaus

    Heidi Macavoy
    The anons who maintain the "Big List" of former members who have spoken out, began noticing a trickle of testimonial accounts dropping off Marty's blog by late 2010.
    Like · Reply · 2 · September 14 at 11:22pm · Edited

    Mark Plummer

    As in his readership started dropping?
    Like · Reply · September 14 at 11:22pm

    Heidi Macavoy

    No idea, but my guess was it was the usual short lived transition thru the freezone into fully done with all things Hubbard. And once done, they didnt want their loud, proud proclamation of being an independent Scientologist around for the rest of their days.
    Like · Reply · 3 · September 14 at 11:26pm · Edited

    Mark Plummer > Heidi:

    Maybe as Rathbun seemed to be getting away from practicing Scientology as an indie, his followers began to leave?
    Like · Reply · September 14 at 11:35pm

    Heidi Macavoy

    No, the links gone missing started happening long before Marty got off the kool aid.
    Like · Reply · 2 · September 14 at 11:46pm


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    Default Re: Why did Marty Rathbun delete a post accusing Klaus Buchele of being an OSA Agent?

    I'm confused, so people think Marty took down the page on Klaus Buchele because he left the cult? Or because some other people who left the cult commented on his page? Klaus Buchele, according to a post on Reaching for the Tipping Point, worked at OSA INT and his wife was involved in a senior level as well.


    http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php?topic=4137.0


    I can kind of understand protecting a public who didn't do anything but get suckered into getting money taken by the cult, but it even that can be problematic. "The Truth About Scientology" have a standing policy of not editing the history of service completion lists when people ask to be removed for a reason. Just because you don't like it 15 years later doesn't change the fact you were involved.

    Also, Buchele appears to be way way way more than some public OSA volunteer. Anyone who works at such a level doesn't get to try and alter the history of their dirty deeds down the line just because they finally woke to the fact Scientology was a con. But there is zero evidence that Buchele has left or rejected scientology as far as I can tell.

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    ^^^^^
    Bunny, here is the actual link to that quote about Klaus Buchele which you posted from Reaching For The Tipping Point about Kurt. It was written by a non-current member Lorelei on March 13, 2010
    http://forum.reachingforthetippingpo...3.html#msg9633
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    Default Re: Why did Marty Rathbun delete a post accusing Klaus Buchele of being an OSA Agent?

    I remember Klaus holding the Guardian WW post at Saint Hill around 1982 after Jane Kember was off post but before the GO got totally disbanded. When I went to OSA Int in 1986 Klaus and Edith were there, both in exec positions (I think). Edith was on mission a lot, probably in EU since she's German (or Swiss or Austrian etc). They're both very capable people.

    I worked at DM&A (in Glendale, Los Angeles) from Apr 2000 to Dec 2003. Klaus was there at the end (on an exec post), along with his daughter Iris (age 16 maybe in 2003). He wasn't with Edith any more as he was chasing after another DM&A woman (Maryanne?), whom he married somewhere around 2004. I don't know what happened to Edith.

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