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    Default CoS Canít Wait For Planning Application at St Hill

    In the UK, you canít just build what you like - there are rules.

    These rules dictate that, if you wish to build a building, make major alterations to existing ones or carry out certain other building works, you have to apply for what is known as Ďplanning permissioní from the local authority (Council).

    In the East Grinstead area, the planning authority is Mid Sussex District Council. So, if for example, you were a cul- er, ĎNew Religious Movementí, with a large estate in the East Grinstead area and wanted to make Ďimprovementsí to that estate, you would have to apply for permission to do so and then go through a process before you were allowed to make those improvements. Part of that process involves allowing local residents and other people of interest to pass comment on the proposal.

    Well, on the 22nd of August 2016, the ironically-named ĎChurchí of Scientology made an application to construct, ďProvision of coach drop-off area, 6 contractor parking bays, minor alteration to access onto West Hoathly Road and associated landscaping.Ē

    The full application can be viewed from this link: https://pa.midsussex.gov.uk/online-applications/

    and enter ĎDM/16/3611í (or enter ĎRH19 4JYí for all recent applications at this address)

    A copy of the planning notice (which is displayed at the site) can be seen here:





    As you can see, comments are invited, by the 30th of September 2016.

    But, when I went past the proposed site on the 10th of Sept (20 days before the end of the period for comments), I found that work had already started! Yep, thatís right Ė they make the application, and before anyone has had a chance to object, and well before the end of the consultation period, start the work anyway.








    In fact, it appears almost finished. I am guessing that Miscavige wanted all landscaping and similar work to the St Hill estate to be finished by the date of the IAS shindig on the 7th of October 2016 and ordered work to start right away without wait for approval from those pesky council people.

    Now, it isnít unheard of for building work to commence before the planning process is complete, but this is for fairly standard works and where the planning officer has given an informal Ďnodí. Even so, this is somewhat risky because if planning consent is withheld, then the site would have to be returned to its original condition and any buildings dismantled at the applicants cost.

    This situation is different because, although there isnít a building as such involved, it does involve changes to the layout of the entrance and since provision is to be made for coaches, that would mean that large vehicles would now be arriving and exiting onto a narrow stretch of road with limited visibility. The width of the road is such that any coach arriving would probably have to swing out onto the other side of the road to get down the entrance road and certainly when exiting, any coach would have to swing over onto the wrong side of the road. Given the width of the road at this point, it would then be impossible for any car-sized and above vehicles to pass. I have included some photos to show the extent of the problem.









    View to the right from the entrance:





    View to the left:







    Bear in mind that on this road, there is no special speed limit, so traffic could be travelling at up to 60mph. Imagine rounding a bend at say, 50mph and then finding a coach lumbering out of the slip road, half on your side of the road? Simply not safe.

    Looking at the documents that accompany the application, I can see a recommendation from a meeting of The East Grinstead Society (held on the 6th of Sept Ė I wonder if they knew that even while they were debating the plans, work had already started?). The conclusion was, ďRecommend refusal. It is difficult to think of a more inappropriate spot than this for coaches to manoeuvre in a narrow road with busy and fast moving traffic.Ē

    I agree.

    I have reported this to the planning control department of the council, but unfortunately their hands are tied, apparently.

    From the response, ďThanks for your email. Whilst I note your frustration, whilst a planning application is pending the Council (in line with national legislation and guidance) cannot enter into enforcement action to remedy the breach. The only action could potentially be via a Temporary Stop Notice, however, this could only be justified if there is immediate and explicit harm being caused to warrant the issue of such a Notice. I have consulted with the case officer dealing with the application and as there is no immediate highway safety concerns, the issue of such a Notice cannot be justified at this time.Ē

    I bet I know what will happen. The cult starts using this turning area well before the planning consultation period finishes, so that if the council tries to refuse planning permission, the cult say, ďWe have been using this for weeks now without a problem. If you refuse permission, we will appeal.Ē And then put endless money into mounting appeal after appeal. So eventually, the council will cave in and allow the development to stay.

    And the cult will have ridden roughshod over the law yet again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axiom142 View Post
    I bet I know what will happen. The cult starts using this turning area well before the planning consultation period finishes, so that if the council tries to refuse planning permission, the cult say, “We have been using this for weeks now without a problem. If you refuse permission, we will appeal.” And then put endless money into mounting appeal after appeal. So eventually, the council will cave in and allow the development to stay.

    And the cult will have ridden roughshod over the law yet again.

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    Thanks for the work, Ax.

    Maybe some local media would do a piece on it . . . and embarrass the MSDC into doing what it should be doing. It's called a road but it's not much more than a narrow country lane.

    I remember back in 1982 (approx) riding a rickety old bike from Bullards to SH, just turning onto Saint Hill Road (other end) at the crossroads. I was standing on the pedals to get up some speed and came round the blind bend to find a damn coach stopped on the road. The brakes were awful, but fortunately there was a grass triangle big enough to accommodate the bike and me. No damage done. I went a bit slower there afterwards.

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    I really hope someone stands up and makes a noise about this, besides you Ax. It's typical, their disregard for 'wog law'.
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    Meh, it is cult o' Hubbard, rules were made fer fools eh!





    I hope cult puts out a vid on how they fixed the spew they were polluting their neighbor's waters for years. As an historical ground, maybe some of the archeological students from Oxford etc. should have done some digging first? dunno. Cult o' Hubbard, they are prone to crash-n'-bashin', not new, common laws do not apply to them...

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    When, not if, someone slams into a coach on the wrong side of the road, and the lawsuits start, will the Planning Council be considered liable for not taking action when first advised of this?

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    A quick update on thisÖ

    Got an email from Mid Sussex District Council:




    Rather disappointing that they are recommending granting approval.

    Why? Take a look at this video (click through the link and view via Firefox or Chrome at full resolution) :





    Comments, please.

    Is this an example of the council bowing to pressure from the well-heeled and notoriously litigious cult?

    I hope not.

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    Thanks for the update Ax, and the video. Yes, disappointing that they're just rolling with the easier option even though it clearly violates their rules.

    As for it being unsafe, yes it is, but this is England with its narrow winding lanes and blind corners literally everywhere, and since traffic probably travels at 10 mph from that direction it's hard to get worked up about it. The driver did obviously look to his right for any 30 mph traffic before turning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dulloldfart View Post
    Thanks for the update Ax, and the video. Yes, disappointing that they're just rolling with the easier option even though it clearly violates their rules.

    As for it being unsafe, yes it is, but this is England with its narrow winding lanes and blind corners literally everywhere, and since traffic probably travels at 10 mph from that direction it's hard to get worked up about it. The driver did obviously look to his right for any 30 mph traffic before turning.

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    I can assure you Paul, that traffic from that direction goes a lot faster than 10mph. 30 - 40 mph is about the norm. And remember, the actual speed limit is 60mph on that stretch.

    And since that stretch of road is so busy and full of bends, is it an appropriate place for 42-seater coaches to enter and exit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axiom142 View Post
    I can assure you Paul, that traffic from that direction goes a lot faster than 10mph. 30 - 40 mph is about the norm. And remember, the actual speed limit is 60mph on that stretch.

    And since that stretch of road is so busy and full of bends, is it an appropriate place for 42-seater coaches to enter and exit?

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    Have you searched the local bylaws and others regarding of the entrance layout and highway safety concerns? know when I was researching and designing a subdivision some 30+ years ago there were restrictions as to placement of an egress/ingress such as a driveway or roadway. There were concerning distance from the enter point along the path of the highway and specifically stated distance required of a clear view from an x distance along the highway of the entrance point. Things like grade of highway (a hillcrest) or other inhibiting factors...which I would assume be blind corners..
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    Newspaper article here: http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/15305...HQ/?ref=twtrec

    Selected quotes:

    THE Church of Scientology has upset neighbours with plans for a coach park at its UK HQ.
    The group, which counts Tom Cruise and John Travolta among high-profile supporters, has applied for retrospective planning permission for a coach park at the Grade II listed Saint Hill Manor in East Grinstead.
    Residents say the plans could sour relations with the church, which has until now been a good neighbour.
    Almost 50 objections raised concerns about the safety hazard posed by large buses using tight, winding country lanes, light, noise and air pollution and the harmful impact on an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty (AONB).

    East Grinstead Town Council recommends refusal of the plans over traffic safety concerns and expressed disappointment the church was only seeking consent after the work had been done, saying it was ďwell versed in the planning processĒ.
    Residents said work began last autumn and only stopped in February following a temporary road closure for electrical works and in the face of complaints from neighbours.

    ďThere is an existing coach park three or four minutes away so they are needlessly destroying an AONB and needlessly upsetting a community.Ē



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