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    Default Re: Key to Life secret EP and the real purpose Scientology wants you to do this cours

    Another problem with KTL/LOC was if you were an OTIII or above and you were located at an outer org or mission you had to go to an advanced org for the clay table processing.

    So there had to be some arrangement whereby you did the course at your local org then went to the advanced org for the clay table processing then the results of that processing had to be kept confidential from your local org. Oy vay!

    I remember someone at my org trying to explain this to me and even they didn't understand how it was supposed to work.

    I just said I wasn't going to do it and I think my org were relieved!

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    Default Re: Key to Life secret EP and the real purpose Scientology wants you to do this cours

    Quote Originally Posted by Lulu Belle View Post
    Karen,

    Do you know the real reason(s) why the courses aren't around?

    I have my own opinion...I'd be curious if anyone has any background on this.
    Greetings Lulu Belle ~~ I only just saw this post.

    The essence and crux of why KTL was pulled is that too many people struggled with the verb section and there huge amounts of reports of kids/teenagers having a very rough time with KTL. As a 12 year old, do you really give fiddlesticks on conjugation or regular verbs vs irregular verbs ? Parents were regged $$$$ and many 2nd generation kids were put on the course.

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    English Verb Conjugation

    In English, you can type in infinitive forms such as “go”, “abide”, “break”, … but also conjugated forms (“done”, “making”, “has”, “comes”). The conjugator recognizes infinitive, reflexive verbs (“hurt oneself”) and negative forms (“not remember”) as well as phrasal verbs (“get off”, “come in”). The Contractions option displays the contracted forms of auxiliaries and negatives, e.g.: not believe: « I do not believe » or « I don't believe », see: « I have seen » or « I've seen », « I will go » or « I'll go »...


    There were a LOT of reports of mishaps, car accidents, bike accidents, illnesses and what is called in the cult "bad indicators" of students on KTL. Because of the bogs, it went on and for months, even 1 -2 years with fierce attendance made mandatory or else.

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    Life Orientation Course. LOL. Miscavige gave a briefing on Freewinds of how the cult Org Board awareness levels were to be used to sorting out one's life. Nothing like LOC. The compilers bogged on making a philosophical machine for students based on Awareness Levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GE cmdr View Post
    Yes but if you refuse to think about something critically just because you like the idea behind it, you really are no better than a Sea Org member.



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    Like many things within the church, i believe it to be an overkill solution to a very small problem.
    I refuse to think about KTL or LOC PERIOD.

    Why bother to think about that shit - or anything scientology ?

    Those who want to - if not still - believe in that stuff might want to consider jumping back into that boat.

    I had no interest in doing that shit back ' in the day' .

    WTF bother with it now ?

    There are good things in life & - in my opinion - they ain't found in scientology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThetanExterior View Post
    Another problem with KTL/LOC was if you were an OTIII or above and you were located at an outer org or mission you had to go to an advanced org for the clay table processing.

    So there had to be some arrangement whereby you did the course at your local org then went to the advanced org for the clay table processing then the results of that processing had to be kept confidential from your local org. Oy vay!
    Things have changed so much from the 90's.

    There are OT3 - 8s, doing the mandatory "Survival" RD, audited by PRE-Clears at the local orgs nowadays. How do they C/S or handle red tagged pcs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by renegade View Post
    How do they C/S or handle red tagged pcs?
    How it used to work 20 years ago when OTs were twinned with non-OTs on unmetered auditing actions -- "out-tech" but mostly doable and certainly expedient -- was that if the OT needed a review he would take his folder and go to his usual AO or FSO or FSSO as "in-tech" demanded so he could say what he wanted to without having to withhold his BT chatter. Of course the OT concerned would usually try very hard not to red-tag or have any case manifestations while gritting his teeth through whatever mandatory action (Survival RD etc) he had to endure.

    Any confidential actions would go into an appropriately striped and secured OT folder and the non-confidential actions would continue on in the regular non-confidential folder.

    NOTE: I use "OT" here to mean people who have been labelled as such by the cult after doing the appropriate level; I am not commenting on any particular state or abilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooter View Post
    I think I've written about this somewhere else here but I'll recap:

    LOC as it was first delivered was about you discovering your "Hat in Life," which boiled down to your pre-cult goals. So various staff and SO members found that yes, they wanted to be an artist rather than a Telex Operator and so they would start the necessary steps to route out and chase their goals.

    Panic at Int. when this was realized and a "correction" was sent down to "amend" the procedure so that the slaves "discovered" they always wanted to slaves and not something else. By then (in Sydney at least) a lot of staff/SO had finished or were close to it and were called in to be "corrected." I refused personally as I didn't feel like I'd had any "Out Tech" - I was the I/C for the team for ages and I'd always thought that the original way it was done made peeps happy = supposed to be a good thing yes?

    Most teams in ANZO got ripped apart by executives using the staff for "more important things" that then resulted in no team left to deliver. Sydney stayed together for longer than most, as did the team at AOSH ANZO. But eventually there were no more peeps to sell to as most had done it and a large proportion of the staff had gotten through it.

    I did KTL at ITO and LOC at AOSH ANZO and enjoyed both. After LOC, I went back to bird-watching, bush walks and growing orchids as pastimes outside of cult hours and I had Hubbard references to back me up. I also began to collect a large library of books and CDs and spend more time with my non-cult family - again I had the Hubbard references to back up my decisions. I think that it was for those reasons (people finding out that there was a life outside of the cult they should be living) that LOC was quietly dropped.
    Crap, Man!

    I totally missed all these benefits from the LOC. I was heavily chugging the cool-aid when I did KTL/LOC at AOLA during the initial launch. It was no problem for me to realize that my hat in life was to be a "Disseminator of LRH books and tech to Salvage the Planet!"

    So I carried on with my various posts in the planetary dissemination.

    I did get out 50,000,000 copies of TWTH.
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    Wow! I did not know that these two courses were dropped. They essentially broke up my marriage at the time. No joking. I sent my spouse to Flag, which at that time was the only place you could even do that/those courses. It wasn't a secret that the EP was finding out your purpose in life. That was why I sent him/her there. We were having issues with that particular "thing" (laziness and whatnot). So I was like, "find out what the hell you want to do."

    Well, when my spouse came back, it was awful. It was like I was married to a confused child. I called Flag and told them they missed something. Something was wrong. Of course, LRH is not wrong, and no way can Flag deliver anything incorrectly. But they said to come back to Qual. I should have gone with, but I was very busy with my own "purpose."

    Finally, my spouse came back with an EP. Now, I'm ruining one of the funnier chapters of my book by telling you this, but "sport clothes" was the answer I got. Oh boy, there was still something wrong. "Sport clothes" is not a purpose in life. Go back and come back when it's handled. My spouse never came back. Years later I heard something about him/her signing a Sea Org contract.

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    The hidden EP was that you were supposed to join staff/SO
    Find out just what a people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress. -- Frederick Douglass

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